Topic: On Earth Peace, and Good Will Toward Men !
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Mon 12/24/12 06:19 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Mon 12/24/12 07:17 PM
"______ __ ____ _ __ ______,

and on earth peace, good will toward men!"

Luke 2:14




Without the Lord our God there will be no peace on earth.



Here is what was done for our peace!


Isaiah prophecied:


"For unto us a child is born,

unto us a son is given:

and the government shall be upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,

The mighty God, The everlasting Father,

The Prince of Peace."

Isaiah 9:6







The message and praise in many songs:


O Holy Night !


"O Holy Night! The stars are brightly shining,

It is the night of the dear Saviour's birth.

Long lay the world in sin and error pining.

Till He appeared and the Spirit felt its worth.

A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices,

For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn.

Fall on your knees! Oh, hear the angel voices!

O night divine, the night when Christ was born;

O night, O Holy Night , O night divine!

O night, O Holy Night , O night divine!


Truly He taught us to love one another,

His law is love and His gospel is peace.

Chains he shall break, for the slave is our brother.

And in his name all oppression shall cease.

Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,

With all our hearts we praise His holy name.

Christ is the Lord! Then ever, ever praise we,

His power and glory ever more proclaim!

His power and glory ever more proclaim!"





Documented Birth:

Luke 2:
Jesus' Birth in Bethlehem

1, And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.
2, (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
3, And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
4, And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
5, To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
6, And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
7, And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
8, And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9, And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10, And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11, For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12, And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
13, And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
14, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
15, And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.
16, And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.
17, And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.
18, And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.
19, But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.
20, And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.
21, And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.
22, And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23, (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
24, And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
25, And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26, And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
27, And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,
28, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,
29, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
30, For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32, A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
33, And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
34, And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
35, (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
36, And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
37, And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
38, And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
39, And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
40, And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
41, Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42, And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
43, And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
44, But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
45, And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46, And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47, And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48, And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49, And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
50, And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
51, And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.
52, And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.





Verified by men:

John 3:

14, And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15, That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18, He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
22, After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23, And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
24, For John was not yet cast into prison.
25, Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
26, And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
27, John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28, Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29, He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30, He must increase, but I must decrease.
31, He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32, And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33, He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34, For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35, The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36, He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."



We have to choose His peace:

"Peace I leave with you,
my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."

John 14:27




Jesus said:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace, but a sword."

Matthew 10:34



The world is divided...
Some seek peace in their own way.
But Jesus is the only WAY!


We have to choose His peace! His healing!etc.

The whole earth does not have peace
because all men do not choose His peace:

"Peace I leave with you,
my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth,
give I unto you.

Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."

John 14:27



A secular song but true:

"There will never be any peace
until God is at the conference table"



Some day:

"For the earth shall be filled
with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD,
as the waters cover the sea."

Let all the earth give Glory to God!
That His peace may cover the face of the earth.


"Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace, good will toward men."
Luke 2:14

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Mon 12/24/12 07:32 PM
Josephus, Pliny the elder, and Pliny the younger were all non supporters of Jesus but were historians writing about and documenting Jesus during the time of christs life.
In fact Josephus was a historian
Working on behalve of roman senate. And we all know how the Romans felt about the early Christian movement.

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Wed 12/26/12 01:45 PM
Edited by CeriseRose on Wed 12/26/12 02:22 PM

Josephus, Pliny the elder, and Pliny the younger were all non supporters of Jesus but were historians writing about and documenting Jesus during the time of christs life.
In fact Josephus was a historian
Working on behalve of roman senate. And we all know how the Romans felt about the early Christian movement.



Great references!


Historical Textual Evidence for Jesus’ Existence
There are over 42 sources within 150 years after Jesus’ death which mention his existence
and record many events of his life.


1. 9 Traditional New Testament Authors
A.Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Author of Hebrews, James, Peter, and Jude.

2. 20 Early Christian Writers Outside the New Testament
A.Clement of Rome, 2 Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Martyrdom of Polycarp, Didache, Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas, Fragments of Papias, Justin Martyr, Aristides, Athenagoras, Theophilus of Antioch, Quadratus, Aristo of Pella, Melito of Sardis, Diognetus, Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Peter, and Epistula Apostolorum.

3. 4 Heretical Writings
A.Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Truth, Apocryphon of John, and Treatise on Resurrection.

4. 9 Secular Sources
A.Josephus (Jewish historian), Tacitus (Roman historian), Pliny the Younger (Roman politician), Phlegon (freed slave who wrote histories), Lucian (Greek satirist), Celsus (Roman philosopher), Mara Bar Serapion (prisoner awaiting execution), Suetonius, and Thallus.


Historical Textual Evidence for Tiberius Caesar’s Existence

Tiberius Caesar, the Roman emperor who reigned during Jesus’ ministry, has 10 authors who mention his existence within 150 years of his life. These include: Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Seneca, Paterculus, Plutarch, Pliny the Elder, Strabo, Valerius Maximum, and Luke. If one removes Luke, since he is a New Testament source, there are 9 secular non-Christian sources. This means that there are just as many non-Christian sources for Jesus’ existence as there are for Tiberius Caesar’s! And, to compare, the total number of sources between Jesus and Tiberius Caesar are 42:10. Therefore, there are over four times as many sources for Jesus’ life and deeds than for Tiberius Caesar’s.

If one is going to doubt the existence of Jesus, one must also reject the existence of Tiberius Caesar.

Why is there not even more evidence for Jesus’ existence?

The fact is that few records survive for thousands of years. There are a number of ancient writings that have been lost, including 50% of the Roman historian Tacitus’ works, all of the writings of Thallus and Asclepiades of Mendes. In fact, Herod the Great’s secretary named Nicolas of Damascus wrote a Universal History of Roman history which comprised nearly 144 books and none of them have survived. So there is no reason to doubt the existence of Jesus of Nazareth.

http://carm.org/jesus-exist


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Wed 12/26/12 02:58 PM
Many of the sources you cite are known forgeries and your OP is filled with logical fallacies. This is meaning of faith, when you believe when you actually have no proof. Does the OP describe a lack of faith? Otherwise, I miss the point.

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Wed 12/26/12 07:50 PM

Many of the sources you cite are known forgeries and your OP is filled with logical fallacies. This is meaning of faith, when you believe when you actually have no proof. Does the OP describe a lack of faith? Otherwise, I miss the point.


"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation, and strength,
and the kingdom of our God,
and the power of his Christ:
for the accuser of our brethren is cast down,
which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:10"