Topic: The truth: Should we be like Morgans' Britain?
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 01/13/13 07:58 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 01/13/13 08:00 PM
I sure hope not!

We are 300,000,000 strong, they are 62,000,000 strong, but check out these stats! surprised

Screw you Piers! It's no wonder they say "bloody (whatever)" in GB!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B8C49yv3uyM

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/14/13 12:00 AM
its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 01/14/13 01:32 AM

its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself
actually they just use Bats,Leadpipe and Kitchen-Knives!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 01/14/13 04:33 AM

its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself


So you would rather have more victims than less suffering more brutal attacks and that is ok with you? slaphead

I guess that is to be expected from someone who thinks it's ok for Obozo to kill 1000's of children with drone strikes, but not a "lone gunman" with a psychosis and on drugs to kill a couple dozen.

Drones killing 1000's is fine when the gov't that wants our guns does it, but we have to take the guns away from people because only the gov't has the right to kill without impunity....

Now that's fuzzy logic if ever there was any! frustrated

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/14/13 06:19 AM


its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself
actually they just use Bats,Leadpipe and Kitchen-Knives!


thats true, and their homicide rate (death) is still about one third of ours,,,probably because the above, take a little more time and effort and give people a bit more of a fighting chance to get away,,and are much likely to be able to be used to murder more than ONE person before others can get away,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/14/13 06:20 AM


its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself


So you would rather have more victims than less suffering more brutal attacks and that is ok with you? slaphead

I guess that is to be expected from someone who thinks it's ok for Obozo to kill 1000's of children with drone strikes, but not a "lone gunman" with a psychosis and on drugs to kill a couple dozen.

Drones killing 1000's is fine when the gov't that wants our guns does it, but we have to take the guns away from people because only the gov't has the right to kill without impunity....

Now that's fuzzy logic if ever there was any! frustrated



dude, its simple

I would rather have FEWER deaths

Im a victim too,all the man had was his hands, but Im alive,,,I prefer that to having my family visiting my grave everyday,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/14/13 06:22 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 01/14/13 06:23 AM


its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself


So you would rather have more victims than less suffering more brutal attacks and that is ok with you? slaphead

I guess that is to be expected from someone who thinks it's ok for Obozo to kill 1000's of children with drone strikes, but not a "lone gunman" with a psychosis and on drugs to kill a couple dozen.

Drones killing 1000's is fine when the gov't that wants our guns does it, but we have to take the guns away from people because only the gov't has the right to kill without impunity....

Now that's fuzzy logic if ever there was any! frustrated


fuzzy logic is the exaggerations people make to try to villainize other,,,,most likely repeating misinformation someone else posted somewhere

look up the people killed with drones under this admini,,Im sure you will find it is nowhere near 'thousands' and certainly not thousands of 'children'

and again, regulating guns is not taking guns away

anymore than the fda takes away our drugs,,,,

no photo
Mon 01/14/13 07:28 AM

its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself
Not me, I would rather an environment where the meek, the weak, the old, the infirm, the crippled, and the kind dont have to worry that some person stronger, more malevolent, and willing to use other weapons indiscriminately cannot protect themselves.

To me when you increase the risk of death to the perpetrator that is wounding, maiming, crippling those weaker than he/she, it is a good thing.

no photo
Mon 01/14/13 07:38 AM

its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself
well there is a very simple solution for you, move to GB....

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 01/14/13 08:12 AM



its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself


So you would rather have more victims than less suffering more brutal attacks and that is ok with you? slaphead

I guess that is to be expected from someone who thinks it's ok for Obozo to kill 1000's of children with drone strikes, but not a "lone gunman" with a psychosis and on drugs to kill a couple dozen.

Drones killing 1000's is fine when the gov't that wants our guns does it, but we have to take the guns away from people because only the gov't has the right to kill without impunity....

Now that's fuzzy logic if ever there was any! frustrated


fuzzy logic is the exaggerations people make to try to villainize other,,,,most likely repeating misinformation someone else posted somewhere

look up the people killed with drones under this admini,,Im sure you will find it is nowhere near 'thousands' and certainly not thousands of 'children'

and again, regulating guns is not taking guns away

anymore than the fda takes away our drugs,,,,


You really don't have a clue do you? You have paid no mind to all the exposes' that have been done recently by the organizations of the world on this admins blatant and willful killing of civilians and the media simply using words like "terrorist threat" when they slaughter a whole village of people. "Collateral damage"....so much cleaner than saying 129 civilians and 1 possible terrorist were slaughtered" in the account!

You haven't viewed the video proof, read the reports, or if you have, you refused to believe your messiah capable of the atrocities of which he is accused and documented of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFkl1U12Rs&feature=youtu.be

You may not like or agree with Alex Jones (he speaks out against your messiah) but he posted a video of documented deaths by drone strikes he ordered of children (women/civilians weren't added to the tally) and that isn't even counting the atrocities inflicted on the multitudes of others in his senseless illegal wars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOU-czQnl8&feature=youtu.be

Saying NO nation would allow rockets to rain down on them from someone outside their borders and at the same time he does it around the world!

Who is the real terrorist here?!

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Mon 01/14/13 08:17 AM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Mon 01/14/13 08:29 AM

regulating guns is not taking guns away

anymore than the fda takes away our drugs,,,,


You are totally missing the point here.

(Except by valid contract) The elected government HAS NO RIGHT OR AUTHORITY to regulate the people regarding either guns OR Drugs (only the registered gun manufacturing & pharmaceutical corporations may be regulated). Those rights are reserved for and the prerogative of the individual PEOPLE and if any contract existed between the government and the people, it has been breached by the government, which no longer has the right to govern.

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/14/13 11:25 PM


its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself
well there is a very simple solution for you, move to GB....


I wouldnt have an issue doing that

but why should I? is it the american belief that unless one believes america to be perfect ,, they should move?

its just somethings we can improve upon, and this is one,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/14/13 11:47 PM




its the culture

they live to see another day

Id much rather the environment where people brawl without guns and walk away, than one where people and children are being buried after being around them,,,

neither is DESIRABLE,, but one is still MORE desirable than the other,, to Piers and Myself


So you would rather have more victims than less suffering more brutal attacks and that is ok with you? slaphead

I guess that is to be expected from someone who thinks it's ok for Obozo to kill 1000's of children with drone strikes, but not a "lone gunman" with a psychosis and on drugs to kill a couple dozen.

Drones killing 1000's is fine when the gov't that wants our guns does it, but we have to take the guns away from people because only the gov't has the right to kill without impunity....

Now that's fuzzy logic if ever there was any! frustrated


fuzzy logic is the exaggerations people make to try to villainize other,,,,most likely repeating misinformation someone else posted somewhere

look up the people killed with drones under this admini,,Im sure you will find it is nowhere near 'thousands' and certainly not thousands of 'children'

and again, regulating guns is not taking guns away

anymore than the fda takes away our drugs,,,,


You really don't have a clue do you? You have paid no mind to all the exposes' that have been done recently by the organizations of the world on this admins blatant and willful killing of civilians and the media simply using words like "terrorist threat" when they slaughter a whole village of people. "Collateral damage"....so much cleaner than saying 129 civilians and 1 possible terrorist were slaughtered" in the account!

You haven't viewed the video proof, read the reports, or if you have, you refused to believe your messiah capable of the atrocities of which he is accused and documented of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFkl1U12Rs&feature=youtu.be

You may not like or agree with Alex Jones (he speaks out against your messiah) but he posted a video of documented deaths by drone strikes he ordered of children (women/civilians weren't added to the tally) and that isn't even counting the atrocities inflicted on the multitudes of others in his senseless illegal wars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvOU-czQnl8&feature=youtu.be

Saying NO nation would allow rockets to rain down on them from someone outside their borders and at the same time he does it around the world!

Who is the real terrorist here?!


seriously?

first drone attack 1/23/2009...1 child death
second strike kills 3 children
2/14/2009 1 child death
4/4/2009 4 children die
8/21/2009 6 children die
8/8/2009 3 children
1/3/2010 1 child dies
1/8/2010 1 child dies
2/24/2010 1 child
3/31/2010 1 child
4/12/2010 2 children
5/21/2010 4 children
08/23/2010 2 children (109 alleged strikes at this point)
9/8/2010 4 children
12/17/09 21 children
NOT SURE WHY THIS GOES BACKWARDS TO 2009,, but its alex,,I will continue


03/03/11 9 children


I got this far without ignoring the rest, as it seemed to start including NATO strikes and even an incident with a singular soldier deciding to shoot children,, none of which can be shown to be 'ordered' by the president

I dont know the credibility or source of most of the numbers given, but even if I believe those I listed thats maybe 50 children in a year and half,,,,,of allegedly over 100 strikes,,,

its tragic when any children are lost, but its also a part of international/policital strikes, and the number is far less in such strikes with drones, than what they would be with a declared 'war' with military

so, we end up with the lesser of two evils, until someone can figure out how to create a weapon that will recognize and bypass children when seeking a target,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 01/15/13 12:00 AM
Weaponized drones have eliminated 22 of al-Qaida's top 30 leaders and recently took out a Taliban leader. Critically, they lessen the need to send our troops into harm's way, reducing U.S. casualties.

Yet the costs of drone strikes have been ignored. The number of innocent civilian casualties may be greater than people realize. A recent study by human rights experts at Stanford Law School and the New York University School of Law found that the number of innocent civilians killed by U.S. drone strikes is much higher than what the U.S. government has reported: about 700 since 2004, including almost 200 children. This is unacceptable.

http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/crafting-a-better-set-of-standards-on-u_s_-drone-strikes_2013-01-15.html

700 since 2004,,how many of our own children have died at the hands of guns in that same time right here in america?



JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 01/15/13 12:41 AM

700 since 2004,,how many of our own children have died at the hands of guns in that same time right here in america?


Am I reading you right? Are you trying to compare the MURDER of innocents by a rogue state engaged in an undeclared war against individuals worldwide, with gun deaths (which may have been accidents) of children in the US?

If you are trying to make such a stupid comparison I suggest you dig up the stats because I'd be willing to bet the number of gun deaths of children in the US is far lower than the number MURDERED abroad by your country.

Recent evidence lays some ambiguity with respect to the most recent alleged gun deaths of children, as it is beginning to appear that if they were murdered at all, it was by your country to achieve the nefarious political ambition of disarming the people. For that reason, I think the "deaths" at Sandy Hook should be excluded from any totals.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/24/13 09:35 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 01/24/13 09:38 AM
a bit different than our Gun-Grabbing Opponents want us to believe!

and the Stats here!

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb0812/hosb0812?view=Binary


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table_16_rate_number_of_crimes_per_100000_inhabitants_by_population_group_2011.xls

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8


found those links here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FWNOiw_XIV8#!

Click on SEE MORE

found it at another Site where the Debate is raging,and the oppressed Europeans (EU) would like nothing better than to disarm the Civilian Population of the US!

RoamingOrator's photo
Thu 01/24/13 10:11 AM
Let's not pretend for a second that anyone actually cares about the children, they are just being used to tug at heart strings or as propaganda.

If we really "cared" about children then why is no one in arms about increasing medical research? I read an article on MSN.com last week about the deaths of 29 children in the previous week due to the flu virus. That's 48% more children dead via disease during the same time frame as Sandy Hook. No one seems to give the least bit of sorrow for those kids, nor is there an outcry for finding a "reasonable" solution.

You want the hard truth? Here it is: Death is a part of life, there is no where on the face of the planet that is safe, and you do not have a guarantee that any child will grow to be an adult. Anyone telling you otherwise is trying to sell you something.

What is sad is that people feel the need to profit off of the death of children, whether the profit is monetary or political. Where is your outcry against that?

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 01/24/13 10:14 AM
The Liberty and Freedom Foundation

LIBERALS TO UNVEIL THEIR GUN BAN TODAY...AND IT INCLUDES BOTH HANDGUNS AND SHOTGUNS - Despite all the pontification from the Obamaist left about only wants to ban "assault weapons" their true agenda will be revealed today by Liberal extremist Sen. Diane Feinstein's legislation has nothing to do with Automatic weapons, but she intends to expand on this new ban on Constitutional rights to include handguns and shotguns, in addition to rifles. She would decrease from two to one the number of cosmetic features on a gun to have it be considered an “assault weapon.” This means that if a gun has just one item like a pistol grip or bayonet lug, then it is illegal. Additionally, anyone who owns one now has to register it with her Liberal government cohorts, and be approved to continue their ownership of the Constitutionally permitted arms, by of course, Obamaist extremists who want to take them from you. That is what they are proposing. Of course, the Main Stream Media won't report the full text of the ban.