Topic: Was the Apostle Paul Guilty of Christian Espionage and Sabot
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Thu 04/25/13 05:58 AM
Edited by siamese_charlie on Thu 04/25/13 06:05 AM
Perhaps the Pharisee PAUL (and those perpetuating his double-minded cause) are guilty of Christian Espionage and Sabotage?

The Apostle Paul was previously a Pharisee (may still have been), and was from the apparently evil tribe of Benjamin (see Judges 19-21).
Jesus told us to "Beware of the Yeast of the Pharisees."
Paul was not with Christ and the 12 Disciples to witness directly Christ’s teachings, healings, and miracles.
Jesus said that it would be Peter “The Rock” upon whom the Church would be built, not Paul.
Paul explains this discrepancy by saying he is sent to the Gentiles and Peter is sent to the Jews.
Paul wrote most of the New Testament, not counting the 4 Gospels.
Paul spent several years in isolation after his supposed conversion.
The Bible says that he who isolates himself is not wise (or goes against all sound judgment).

It should not be hard for people to contemplate Paul as a Spy.
After all, Jesus chose Judas, and Judas ended up being a Spy.

Would you let a multiple offense child molester babysit your children.
Would you let a multiple offense DWI driver drive your kids.
Would you let a person with multiple offense Bank Fraud invest your money.
Would you let a person with multiple offenses against Christianity and Christians
be the guardian of your child's soul?
Would you let Judas?
Would you let Osama bin Laden?
Should you let Paul?

Paul, in Galatians, talks about being saved by faith alone, and yet,
makes other long winded statements about those who do evil things
will not inherit the Kingdom of God. The Bible says that a Double
minded man is unstable in all his ways. How can people be saved by
Grace alone if they are constantly worrying about whether they (and
others) are being good enough or not to inherit the Kingdom of God?
Perhaps the Pharisee PAUL (and those perpetuating his double-minded
cause) are guilty of Christian Espionage and Sabotage? If a
religious faction wanted to stop the power of Christianity because
they could not stop the spread of Christianity, what more covert and
subversive a way than this? A modern analogy might be those wishing
to stop the power of the internet because they cannot stop the
spread of it, so they infiltrate the internet with viruses to make
using it unbearable for people. Or they create the appearance of
something good and useful and practical such as an email service
(e.g. Yahoo.com, etc.) but with so many advertisement scripts
running in the background, slowing the use of it down, that people
become so frustrated with it that they become unstable, moving from
email service to email service, or worse yet, they quit the internet
altogether. “Been there, done that.”

Listen to the words Paul uses in Galatians Ch 2 vs 4,5 (NIV)
“This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our
ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.
We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the
gospel might be preserved for you.”
What is the old saying?, “The guilty dog barks first”.
And again in Galatians Ch 5 9,10 (NIV) “A little yeast works through
the whole batch of dough.”
I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one
who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have
to pay the penalty.
“The guilty dog barks first”.

BUT KNOW THIS CHRISTIAN FRIENDS:
Religions based upon what we do, or what we don’t do, can never work.
A religion based upon what God has already done for us does work.
It is by the Grace of God, unmerited favor, that we are made
righteous, because Jesus is righteous for us.
Nothing can separate us from the love and mercy of God through Jesus
Christ our Savior.
One cannot walk on water unless that person focuses upon the perfect
Jesus. Peter found that out.
One who focuses on trying to please God by obeying a moral code will
sink. His inability condemns him.

At Jacob’s well, Jesus was more concerned that the woman understand
the type of worship God wants
than he was in rebuking the woman into turning (repenting) from her
wicked ways.
Jesus never told her to clean up her act, move out, or kick the dude
out she was living with.
Without that burden, she was free in her heart and mind to bring
people back from town to see and hear the wonderful Jesus for
themselves.
They saw and heard and believed. They did not need a Bible to
confuse them into thinking they needed to obey a moral code to
inherit
Eternal Life as the Apostle Paul has perpetuated. No, instead,
within a matter of minutes, they were saved by faith in Jesus Christ
alone.

Listen to PAUL starting in Galations 5:19 (NIV) as he brings double minded teaching into the forefront after just talking about GRACE.
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Has the Bible become the Church’s way of rejecting God’s free Grace and imprisoning men to the old Mosaic system?

Consider the following:

God-->Abraham He believed the promise of Isaac being born to him in his old age and it was counted
unto Abraham as righteousness.

God-->Angels-->Moses-->Mosaic Law-->Levitical Priests-->Pharisees-->The People
Enslaved to a moral code.
See the irony? Moses was seen as a liberator of the enslaved Israelites.

Jesus-->The People They believed Jesus’ message and were saved by faith (without a Bible).

Jesus-->(His Disciples, The Pharisees, The Church Fathers)-->The Bible-->(Pastors, Priests, Preachers)--> The People.
Enslaved again to a moral code.

Judas betrayed Jesus with a Kiss.
The irony of this is: KISS.
Perhaps Judas was sending a code to the Church to:
Keep It Simple Stupid.


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Thu 04/25/13 09:43 AM

Perhaps the Pharisee PAUL (and those perpetuating his double-minded cause) are guilty of Christian Espionage and Sabotage?

The Apostle Paul was previously a Pharisee (may still have been), and was from the apparently evil tribe of Benjamin (see Judges 19-21).
Jesus told us to "Beware of the Yeast of the Pharisees."
Paul was not with Christ and the 12 Disciples to witness directly Christ’s teachings, healings, and miracles.
Jesus said that it would be Peter “The Rock” upon whom the Church would be built, not Paul.
Paul explains this discrepancy by saying he is sent to the Gentiles and Peter is sent to the Jews.
Paul wrote most of the New Testament, not counting the 4 Gospels.
Paul spent several years in isolation after his supposed conversion.
The Bible says that he who isolates himself is not wise (or goes against all sound judgment).

It should not be hard for people to contemplate Paul as a Spy.
After all, Jesus chose Judas, and Judas ended up being a Spy.

Would you let a multiple offense child molester babysit your children.
Would you let a multiple offense DWI driver drive your kids.
Would you let a person with multiple offense Bank Fraud invest your money.
Would you let a person with multiple offenses against Christianity and Christians
be the guardian of your child's soul?
Would you let Judas?
Would you let Osama bin Laden?
Should you let Paul?

Paul, in Galatians, talks about being saved by faith alone, and yet,
makes other long winded statements about those who do evil things
will not inherit the Kingdom of God. The Bible says that a Double
minded man is unstable in all his ways. How can people be saved by
Grace alone if they are constantly worrying about whether they (and
others) are being good enough or not to inherit the Kingdom of God?
Perhaps the Pharisee PAUL (and those perpetuating his double-minded
cause) are guilty of Christian Espionage and Sabotage? If a
religious faction wanted to stop the power of Christianity because
they could not stop the spread of Christianity, what more covert and
subversive a way than this? A modern analogy might be those wishing
to stop the power of the internet because they cannot stop the
spread of it, so they infiltrate the internet with viruses to make
using it unbearable for people. Or they create the appearance of
something good and useful and practical such as an email service
(e.g. Yahoo.com, etc.) but with so many advertisement scripts
running in the background, slowing the use of it down, that people
become so frustrated with it that they become unstable, moving from
email service to email service, or worse yet, they quit the internet
altogether. “Been there, done that.”

Listen to the words Paul uses in Galatians Ch 2 vs 4,5 (NIV)
“This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our
ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.
We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the
gospel might be preserved for you.”
What is the old saying?, “The guilty dog barks first”.
And again in Galatians Ch 5 9,10 (NIV) “A little yeast works through
the whole batch of dough.”
I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one
who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have
to pay the penalty.
“The guilty dog barks first”.

BUT KNOW THIS CHRISTIAN FRIENDS:
Religions based upon what we do, or what we don’t do, can never work.
A religion based upon what God has already done for us does work.
It is by the Grace of God, unmerited favor, that we are made
righteous, because Jesus is righteous for us.
Nothing can separate us from the love and mercy of God through Jesus
Christ our Savior.
One cannot walk on water unless that person focuses upon the perfect
Jesus. Peter found that out.
One who focuses on trying to please God by obeying a moral code will
sink. His inability condemns him.

At Jacob’s well, Jesus was more concerned that the woman understand
the type of worship God wants
than he was in rebuking the woman into turning (repenting) from her
wicked ways.
Jesus never told her to clean up her act, move out, or kick the dude
out she was living with.
Without that burden, she was free in her heart and mind to bring
people back from town to see and hear the wonderful Jesus for
themselves.
They saw and heard and believed. They did not need a Bible to
confuse them into thinking they needed to obey a moral code to
inherit
Eternal Life as the Apostle Paul has perpetuated. No, instead,
within a matter of minutes, they were saved by faith in Jesus Christ
alone.

Listen to PAUL starting in Galations 5:19 (NIV) as he brings double minded teaching into the forefront after just talking about GRACE.
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;
idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions
and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Has the Bible become the Church’s way of rejecting God’s free Grace and imprisoning men to the old Mosaic system?

Consider the following:

God-->Abraham He believed the promise of Isaac being born to him in his old age and it was counted
unto Abraham as righteousness.

God-->Angels-->Moses-->Mosaic Law-->Levitical Priests-->Pharisees-->The People
Enslaved to a moral code.
See the irony? Moses was seen as a liberator of the enslaved Israelites.

Jesus-->The People They believed Jesus’ message and were saved by faith (without a Bible).

Jesus-->(His Disciples, The Pharisees, The Church Fathers)-->The Bible-->(Pastors, Priests, Preachers)--> The People.
Enslaved again to a moral code.

Judas betrayed Jesus with a Kiss.
The irony of this is: KISS.
Perhaps Judas was sending a code to the Church to:
Keep It Simple Stupid.





Paul, in Galatians, talks about being saved by faith alone, and yet,
makes other long winded statements about those who do evil things
will not inherit the Kingdom of God. The Bible says that a Double
minded man is unstable in all his ways.


Takes both. Give the verse(s) where he said specifically ONLY faith would save the person(s). Faith without works is dead. Meaning if one has faith in our father who art in Heaven, they will obey or try their best. Yes we will stumble time to time, and God knows this. Thus he offers forgiveness of these trespasses. But nevertheless having faith in God, doesn't give you a green card to do whatever you wish to do.

James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

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Thu 04/25/13 10:59 AM
Today's Christianity is Pauline Doctrine anyway!

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Thu 04/25/13 11:42 AM

Today's Christianity is Pauline Doctrine anyway!


Yes. Christianity has become a false religion
just like all other religions that do not ackowledge
the saving Grace of Jesus Christ.

Don't pay a dime for heaven (your salvation).

Jesus said that the way is narrow and only a few find it.
What did he mean?
He meant that all mankind is trying to earn there way to heaven
which is impossible.
Only those who trust in Jesus are in right standing with God.
Jesus said whoever eats me will live because of me.
Your ancestors ate manna (bread from heaven) in the desert
but later died.
The bread that I give, my flesh, is not like that bread.
Whoever eats my flesh, the true bread from heaven, will live forever.

Jesus is "The Way". Jesus is "The Door"
Others are robbers and try to come in through a window.

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Sat 04/27/13 05:34 AM
Edited by siamese_charlie on Sat 04/27/13 05:36 AM
Jesus said that he who eats me (The Son of God, The True Bread from Heaven) has already passed from death to life.

Gospel of John


The entire work of God for man is this:
Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
He who believes has already passed from death to life.


Apostle Paul is a theif and robber.

Listen to PAUL starting in Galations 5:19 (NIV)

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

PAUL IS A THEIF AND A ROBBER (as well as a spy)