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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Eliminate the funding and profits and you eliminate the problem! When the U.K. fought against Nazi Germany during WWII, was the U.K. fighting for profit? Know your history! PH brought us into the war with Japan, NOT Germany! Even that "cause" was known it was going to happen and like 9/11, warnings were ignored. Then to bring us into the war with Germany, GB loaded a passenger ship full of Americans, the Lusitania, with arms and ammunition, then leaked the info to the Germans who of course sunk it, congress and the powers that be were then able to win the vote to decalre war on Germany that until that time Americans would not agree to due to already being under debt to the banks, in a depression from war with Japan. You might recall that US banks, including one run by grandpa Bush, along with Brown bros Harriman and others, goodyear tires, IBM....all provided goods, services and loans to Germany even during the war with them. Only banks and corporations profit from war....GREATLY.... and nothing has changed! |
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AMERICA IS CENTRAL TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD .
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/14/13 01:16 PM
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AMERICA IS CENTRAL TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD .
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More clearly, our foreign policy under the last 4 administrations is central to the problem Ever since it was declared "corporations are people too" Till Texas hangs one, I disagree! |
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Eliminate the funding and profits and you eliminate the problem! When the U.K. fought against Nazi Germany during WWII, was the U.K. fighting for profit?  Are you serious?
The USA stayed out of WWII until Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese military. Japan declared war on the USA first. There is a difference between something being an outcome of a war and something being the motivation for a war. After WWI, members of the American general public were in no mood to be involved in any more wars. However, the USA was forced into war when the Japanese military attacked Pearl Harbor. Now, if you are questioning the ability of the USA to experience an economic revival at the end WWII, then that is easy to explain. First, the USA mainland wasn't subjected to the bombings that England was subjected to. So, the production abilities of U.S. industries were not harmed the same way that the production abilities of English industries were harmed. Second, the USA had more manpower and natural resources than England, and so, it was only natural that industry in the USA was able to thrive more than English industry. No, the USA didn't enter WWII for economic gain. The USA was still trying to come out of a depression when the attack on Pearl Harbor took place. That attack woke up the American spirit, which would not allow Japan to get away with such an attack without being punished. War is the savior of depression, Therefore America was a major beneficiary of WW2 |
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AMERICA IS CENTRAL TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD .
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More clearly, our foreign policy under the last 4 administrations is central to the problem Ever since it was declared "corporations are people too" Till Texas hangs one, I disagree! Corporations and Foreign Policy. Birds of a Feather. Hang the Corporations and Dump the Foreign Policy. |
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Eliminate the funding and profits and you eliminate the problem! When the U.K. fought against Nazi Germany during WWII, was the U.K. fighting for profit? Are you serious?
The USA stayed out of WWII until Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese military. Japan declared war on the USA first. There is a difference between something being an outcome of a war and something being the motivation for a war. After WWI, members of the American general public were in no mood to be involved in any more wars. However, the USA was forced into war when the Japanese military attacked Pearl Harbor. Now, if you are questioning the ability of the USA to experience an economic revival at the end WWII, then that is easy to explain. First, the USA mainland wasn't subjected to the bombings that England was subjected to. So, the production abilities of U.S. industries were not harmed the same way that the production abilities of English industries were harmed. Second, the USA had more manpower and natural resources than England, and so, it was only natural that industry in the USA was able to thrive more than English industry. No, the USA didn't enter WWII for economic gain. The USA was still trying to come out of a depression when the attack on Pearl Harbor took place. That attack woke up the American spirit, which would not allow Japan to get away with such an attack without being punished. War is the savior of depression, Therefore America was a major beneficiary of WW2 The USA didn't enter WWII for the purpose of an economic benefit. Again, the fact that "A" is the outcome of "B" doesn't mean that "A" is the reason for "B". |
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AMERICA IS CENTRAL TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD .
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You need to read your real history. It's all out there if you look deep enough because , believe me it is buried very very deep. |
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Eliminate the funding and profits and you eliminate the problem! When the U.K. fought against Nazi Germany during WWII, was the U.K. fighting for profit? Are you serious?
The USA stayed out of WWII until Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese military. Japan declared war on the USA first. There is a difference between something being an outcome of a war and something being the motivation for a war. After WWI, members of the American general public were in no mood to be involved in any more wars. However, the USA was forced into war when the Japanese military attacked Pearl Harbor. Now, if you are questioning the ability of the USA to experience an economic revival at the end WWII, then that is easy to explain. First, the USA mainland wasn't subjected to the bombings that England was subjected to. So, the production abilities of U.S. industries were not harmed the same way that the production abilities of English industries were harmed. Second, the USA had more manpower and natural resources than England, and so, it was only natural that industry in the USA was able to thrive more than English industry. No, the USA didn't enter WWII for economic gain. The USA was still trying to come out of a depression when the attack on Pearl Harbor took place. That attack woke up the American spirit, which would not allow Japan to get away with such an attack without being punished. War is the savior of depression, Therefore America was a major beneficiary of WW2 The USA didn't enter WWII for the purpose of an economic benefit. Again, the fact that "A" is the outcome of "B" doesn't mean that "A" is the reason for "B". You are right and wrong. It was profit that brought us in to all our wars, but not for the benefit of the country, only the banks and corporations profit from war and their influence, power and money controls the actions of our decision makers! |
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AMERICA IS CENTRAL TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD .
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You need to read your real history. It's all out there if you look deep enough because , believe me it is buried very very deep. So deep that only conspiracy theorists can find it. |
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It was profit that brought us in to all our wars, but not for the benefit of the country, only the banks and corporations profit from war and their influence, power and money controls the actions of our decision makers!
Thank you for sharing your opinion. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/14/13 01:44 PM
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WWII and war with Germany The late James Burnham remarked that among Great Britian's major exports, hypocricy was the formost of their exports. Colin Simpson's book titled THE LUSITANIA is yet one more classic example of such hypocricy. This is a well written and thoroughly documented account of the actual status of THE LUSITANIA and the background to the attack with took place in 1915. Simpson gave his readers a solid background of the behind-the-scenes efforts of what some call The Eastern Establishment to prod Americans into war with the Germans during World War I. The Hate Germany rhetoric in this country was incited by Eastern Establishment Anglophiles in their efforts to elicit support for the British while creating lies and distortions about alleged German atrocities which never took place. As an aside Posonby's book undermines these myths and folklore nonsense. Simpson documented how bankers and the plutocratic rich used every means fair or foul to arm the British during the early phases of World War I. While the Americans were supposedly neutral, these men used their financial connections to support the British when the supposedly easy victory of the "allies" over their German rivals proved to be anything but easy. While President Wilson and some in his administration preached neutrality in 1914 and 1915, Wilson and some of his advisers were actively planning to enlist U.S. support and military intervention against the Germans as early as 1915 in violation of both U.S. law and international law. Simson was very comprehensive and clear about the status of THE LUSITANIA and other British vessels operated by the Cunard line. Under international law, merchant ships ( civilian vessels) were not to armed. If a civilian vessel were armed, that ship was subject to attack by enemy naval commanders as though the ship was a naval military vessel. THE LUSITANIA and many other British civilian vessels were indeed armed. Simpson is clear that THE LUSITANIA was not only armed, the ship was registered in the British navy as an auxillary battle cruiser which made the ship a legal military target under international law. When the British lied about THE LUSITANIA being armed, British officials were embarrassed when Cunard officials who owned the vessel boasted about THE LUSITANIA's restructuring for armament. Simpson detailed the construction of the ship to contain gun placements, and THE LUSITANIA's crew ordered passangers away from where the guns were. Readers will discover that British sea captains who were in charge of ships such as THE LUSITANIA often hoisted the American flag on the high seas. When German U Boat commanders would surface to warn what they thought was an American ship of possible danger, the British commanders would order the shooting of the German submarine or ramming the subermarine. An interesting anecdote is the fact that THE LUSITANIA would have been attacked sooner had some of the German U Boat commanders had a current manual indentifying THE LUSITANIA as resistered as a naval vessel and not a civilian vessel. However, the Germans did indeed get current manuals and gave warning in New York City newspapers of the danger that U.S. passangers assumed if they travelled on this ship. In fact, President was derelect in his duty as President when he failed to enforce a U.S. law forbidding U.S. civilians from travelling on ships and trains carrying munitions and explosives. THE LUSITANIA was carrying such cargo in addition to being armed. The conditions leading to the attack are criminal. The British were aware of a German submarine in the area of THE LUSITIANIA's. THE LUSITANIA had a naval escort that was inexplicably withdrawn when the vessel approached the coast of Ireland exposing the vessel to attack. After the attack, British naval captains threatened civilian boaters with attack if these civilians tried to rescue the passangers. The British government was trying to increase the casuality rate to inflame American opinion. British hypocricy was further exposed in this book in subsequent hearing about the sinking of THE LUSITIANIA. The deceit and lying of British government officials was witheld from the hearings in an attempt to blame the Captain of THE LUSITANIA as solely responsible for the tragedy. This did not work very well, and the matter was obscured from the press and other interested parties. Some of this reviewer's college students surprised him when these students showed journalistic accounts of THE LUSITANIA tragedy. Some of the reporters actually reported on the actual status of THE LUSITANIA as an armed battle auxillary cruiser and the British deceit. Yet, textbook writers and publishers avoid the actual truth of the sinking of THE LUSITANIA like the plague. It is about time for these cowards to write honest history about the event almost a hundred years later. There is little criticism of this book. There are an overwhelming amount of documents and sources which makes the book useful and thorough. Anyone who wants a dispassionate view of history would do well to read and absorb this book. http://www.amazon.com/The-Lusitania-Finally-Startling-Disasters/dp/0316791784 |
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Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor
http://www.amazon.com/Day-Of-Deceit-Truth-Harbor/dp/0743201299 |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/14/13 02:00 PM
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Learn your REAL history and not the lies told to cover the frauds!
Just like Benghazi, Iraq, Libya, Iran and Syria! It's all about profits and profit shares! Afghanistan of course is all about controlling the worlds opium supply, a cash crop, and a pipeline to the gulf for cheap oil and control of it The Russians wanted it BADLY and bankrupted their country losing their world power status trying to obtain it. We formed Al Queada thru the CIA to unite the tribes against them, arming and assisting them. It was turned against us on 9/11 and again in Benghazi! |
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Edited by
Toodygirl5
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Tue 05/14/13 01:58 PM
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Eliminate the funding and profits and you eliminate the problem! When the U.K. fought against Nazi Germany during WWII, was the U.K. fighting for profit? Are you serious?
The USA stayed out of WWII until Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese military. Japan declared war on the USA first. There is a difference between something being an outcome of a war and something being the motivation for a war. After WWI, members of the American general public were in no mood to be involved in any more wars. However, the USA was forced into war when the Japanese military attacked Pearl Harbor. Now, if you are questioning the ability of the USA to experience an economic revival at the end WWII, then that is easy to explain. First, the USA mainland wasn't subjected to the bombings that England was subjected to. So, the production abilities of U.S. industries were not harmed the same way that the production abilities of English industries were harmed. Second, the USA had more manpower and natural resources than England, and so, it was only natural that industry in the USA was able to thrive more than English industry. No, the USA didn't enter WWII for economic gain. The USA was still trying to come out of a depression when the attack on Pearl Harbor took place. That attack woke up the American spirit, which would not allow Japan to get away with such an attack without being punished. War is the savior of depression, Therefore America was a major beneficiary of WW2 The USA didn't enter WWII for the purpose of an economic benefit. Again, the fact that "A" is the outcome of "B" doesn't mean that "A" is the reason for "B". You are right and wrong. It was profit that brought us in to all our wars, but not for the benefit of the country, only the banks and corporations profit from war and their influence, power and money controls the actions of our decision makers! True..... I have many family members and friends that served in the Military and still are. |
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Smedley Butler on Interventionism
-- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. |
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Sojourning_Soul
I enjoyed reading your Post. So unlike many posts you see on these Political forums. I like reading Truths. 
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/14/13 02:37 PM
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Henry Kissinger stated “military men are dumb stupid animals to be used for foreign policy”
This from a man who never served! http://jeenyuscorner.com/2012/09/07/henry-kissinger-who-stated-military-men-are-dumb-stupid-animals-to-be-used-for-foreign-policy-the-jeenyus-corner/ |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Tue 05/14/13 02:54 PM
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Sojourning_Soul I enjoyed reading your Post. So unlike many posts you see on these Political forums. I like reading Truths.
Thank you, I only wish more were open to the truth. The world would be a much "nicer" place because people would demand an accounting of their leaders and the reasons for their policies before beating the war drums and buying into the slaughter of innocents for profit All the "armchair warriors" really gets my blood flowing! I paid the price for my opinion, and lost many friends. Only 2% of the population will ever serve in the military, and even fewer have ever been to war I feel anyone with a positive opinion on war (other than defending our borders) should be forced to serve, in a war zone, to earn it! |
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