Topic: Murder of Australian in USA a hate crime?
Dodo_David's photo
Thu 08/22/13 01:47 PM

from the same source

◾Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.0 percent were black, 46.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 175 victims. (




yep,, blacks are killing black folks and whites are killing white folks,,,don't be too alarmed,,,


I am not disagreeing. I merely cited the FBI statistics for the purpose of clarifying what the statistics actually are. It is wrong to claim that 50% of murders are committed by blacks, because the race of the offender is not known for every case of murder.

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/22/13 01:48 PM


from the same source

◾Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.0 percent were black, 46.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 175 victims. (




yep,, blacks are killing black folks and whites are killing white folks,,,don't be too alarmed,,,


I am not disagreeing. I merely cited the FBI statistics for the purpose of clarifying what the statistics actually are. It is wrong to claim that 50% of murders are committed by blacks, because the race of the offender is not known for every case of murder.


gotcha,,,,the 'known' offender vs 'all' offenders,,,,

point made

InvictusV's photo
Thu 08/22/13 02:28 PM

so, that means half the homicides also come from NON blacks huh?

and MOST of the crimes are intraracial,, so it makes more sense for blacks to fear EACH OTHER, and whites to fear EACH OTHER,, with that logic,,,

why don't white employers hesitate to hire white males who are much more likely to lose it when they face loss of a job or relationship?

why don't white women hesitate to date white men , who are much more likely to be serial killers?

and how many people over all are murderers?

still no reason to make homicidal tendency a racial thing,,,,or associate it with one race over another,,,









This is the exact kind of nonsense that McWhorter was referring to..

5% of the population commits 50% of the murders and you want to pretend that the other 95% of the population are equally deranged..

What a joke..


msharmony's photo
Thu 08/22/13 02:36 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/22/13 02:37 PM


so, that means half the homicides also come from NON blacks huh?

and MOST of the crimes are intraracial,, so it makes more sense for blacks to fear EACH OTHER, and whites to fear EACH OTHER,, with that logic,,,

why don't white employers hesitate to hire white males who are much more likely to lose it when they face loss of a job or relationship?

why don't white women hesitate to date white men , who are much more likely to be serial killers?

and how many people over all are murderers?

still no reason to make homicidal tendency a racial thing,,,,or associate it with one race over another,,,









This is the exact kind of nonsense that McWhorter was referring to..

5% of the population commits 50% of the murders and you want to pretend that the other 95% of the population are equally deranged..

What a joke..





define 'deranged'?



and who commits most of the mass shootings, or most of the arsons, or most of the workplace shootouts, most of the mass shootings, most of the serial killings, most of the kidnapping and torture?




yep, all 3 percent of the black population who are committing crimes are proof of the propensity for the other 97 percent to do the same....whoa


blacks are killing blacks and whites are killing whites,, seems like nothing to read into more than that,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 08/22/13 02:48 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 08/22/13 02:49 PM

5% of the population commits 50% of the murders and you want to pretend that the other 95% of the population are equally deranged..

What a joke..


Look at those FBI statistics again. They don't say that 5% of the population commits 50% of the murders. Instead, they say, "Of the offenders for whom race was known . . .", as well as, "The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders."

Also according to the U.S. Census Bureau, 13.1% of the people in the USA are black, not 5%, and 63.0% are white.

Still, InvictusV has a point.

According to the FBI, 13.1% (blacks) committed 52.4% of murders in which the race of the offender is known, while 63.0% (whites) committed 45.2% of of the murders in which the race of the offender is known.


mightymoe's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:12 PM

Massive uproar here about it ATM, everyone thinks that yeh it was a racist thing considering the shooters were black and the Aussie was white.. But hey that's the thing I guess most of the time only whites get labelled as racist but if ur Australian in general u get labelled a racist by most Americans. Funny how that works considering multiculturalism is a pretty big thing here..


there was a white kid there... he was the one charged with the lessor crime...

EdwardCB's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:14 PM
And it all goes back to my point, that only whites get labelled as racist..

EdwardCB's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:15 PM


Massive uproar here about it ATM, everyone thinks that yeh it was a racist thing considering the shooters were black and the Aussie was white.. But hey that's the thing I guess most of the time only whites get labelled as racist but if ur Australian in general u get labelled a racist by most Americans. Funny how that works considering multiculturalism is a pretty big thing here..


there was a white kid there... he was the one charged with the lessor crime...

And i think it said on the news that he was half half.. But yeh he flipped on the others..

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:20 PM


Massive uproar here about it ATM, everyone thinks that yeh it was a racist thing considering the shooters were black and the Aussie was white.. But hey that's the thing I guess most of the time only whites get labelled as racist but if ur Australian in general u get labelled a racist by most Americans. Funny how that works considering multiculturalism is a pretty big thing here..


there was a white kid there... he was the one charged with the lessor crime...


He drove the car.

By the way, I do not understand why two of the punks were charged with murder when only one did any shooting.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:21 PM

And it all goes back to my point, that only whites get labelled as racist..


Oh, blacks are also recognized as being racists, but their racism isn't bad or wrong according to black racists.

EdwardCB's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:22 PM



Massive uproar here about it ATM, everyone thinks that yeh it was a racist thing considering the shooters were black and the Aussie was white.. But hey that's the thing I guess most of the time only whites get labelled as racist but if ur Australian in general u get labelled a racist by most Americans. Funny how that works considering multiculturalism is a pretty big thing here..


there was a white kid there... he was the one charged with the lessor crime...


He drove the car.

By the way, I do not understand why two of the punks were charged with murder when only one did any shooting.

Exactly..
Maybe accessory would be better.. But I agree with the one that pulled the trigger should be charged with murder.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:23 PM



Massive uproar here about it ATM, everyone thinks that yeh it was a racist thing considering the shooters were black and the Aussie was white.. But hey that's the thing I guess most of the time only whites get labelled as racist but if ur Australian in general u get labelled a racist by most Americans. Funny how that works considering multiculturalism is a pretty big thing here..


there was a white kid there... he was the one charged with the lessor crime...


He drove the car.

By the way, I do not understand why two of the punks were charged with murder when only one did any shooting.


they both got out of the car... since he did not try to stop the shooter, he was charged as well...

EdwardCB's photo
Thu 08/22/13 03:23 PM


And it all goes back to my point, that only whites get labelled as racist..


Oh, blacks are also recognized as being racists, but their racism isn't bad or wrong according to black racists.

laugh

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/23/13 03:15 AM


Massive uproar here about it ATM, everyone thinks that yeh it was a racist thing considering the shooters were black and the Aussie was white.. But hey that's the thing I guess most of the time only whites get labelled as racist but if ur Australian in general u get labelled a racist by most Americans. Funny how that works considering multiculturalism is a pretty big thing here..


there was a white kid there... he was the one charged with the lessor crime...



turns out the kids were crips trying to start a gang,,,they later threatened another kid with death if he didn't join,,,

it was about their gang and not about race,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/23/13 03:18 AM
farrakhan is on adl hit list

Jackson will never be forgotten for his 'himeytown' comment

no shortage of people constantly claiming Sharpton and noi are racist

so Im not sure where the notion comes from that blacks aren't seen as racist,,,


mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/23/13 11:05 AM



Massive uproar here about it ATM, everyone thinks that yeh it was a racist thing considering the shooters were black and the Aussie was white.. But hey that's the thing I guess most of the time only whites get labelled as racist but if ur Australian in general u get labelled a racist by most Americans. Funny how that works considering multiculturalism is a pretty big thing here..


there was a white kid there... he was the one charged with the lessor crime...



turns out the kids were crips trying to start a gang,,,they later threatened another kid with death if he didn't join,,,

it was about their gang and not about race,,,


yea, nothing... thats why they just "happened" to kill a white guy...

misswright's photo
Fri 08/23/13 11:27 AM
Hate crime or not? What difference does it make? The kid is still dead. His family is still grieving. His friends and strangers alike are still horrified about this tragedy, and rightly so. What does it matter what color he or the shooters were? I'm so sick of the battle of the statistics, of the finger pointing and name calling, of the excuses made for why the murdering thugs did it, so lets give 'em a break and feel bad for them instead of the victims! noway grumble

Is it a hate crime? I'd say yes no matter whether it was racially motivated or not. Anyboday shooting anybody else for no reason has nothing but hate in their hearts. Period. End of story. Enough already about race. Murderers are murderers and they deserve death for taking life. It's that simple, or at least it SHOULD be...

frustrated




mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/23/13 11:31 AM

Hate crime or not? What difference does it make? The kid is still dead. His family is still grieving. His friends and strangers alike are still horrified about this tragedy, and rightly so. What does it matter what color he or the shooters were? I'm so sick of the battle of the statistics, of the finger pointing and name calling, of the excuses made for why the murdering thugs did it, so lets give 'em a break and feel bad for them instead of the victims! noway grumble

Is it a hate crime? I'd say yes no matter whether it was racially motivated or not. Anyboday shooting anybody else for no reason has nothing but hate in their hearts. Period. End of story. Enough already about race. Murderers are murderers and they deserve death for taking life. It's that simple, or at least it SHOULD be...

frustrated






well, murder is murder, but when they ONLY charge white's with hate crimes, it gets a little lopsided...

misswright's photo
Fri 08/23/13 11:49 AM


Hate crime or not? What difference does it make? The kid is still dead. His family is still grieving. His friends and strangers alike are still horrified about this tragedy, and rightly so. What does it matter what color he or the shooters were? I'm so sick of the battle of the statistics, of the finger pointing and name calling, of the excuses made for why the murdering thugs did it, so lets give 'em a break and feel bad for them instead of the victims! noway grumble

Is it a hate crime? I'd say yes no matter whether it was racially motivated or not. Anyboday shooting anybody else for no reason has nothing but hate in their hearts. Period. End of story. Enough already about race. Murderers are murderers and they deserve death for taking life. It's that simple, or at least it SHOULD be...

frustrated






well, murder is murder, but when they ONLY charge white's with hate crimes, it gets a little lopsided...


My point exactly! Why do we even have such an asinine distinction? Murder is murder, whites or blacks involved. Isn't the murder itself evidence of hate? Why does it have to be against 'the other' race for it to be a hate crime? Aren't we all of the human race? I used to think so...not so sure anymore... what

mightymoe's photo
Fri 08/23/13 12:09 PM



Hate crime or not? What difference does it make? The kid is still dead. His family is still grieving. His friends and strangers alike are still horrified about this tragedy, and rightly so. What does it matter what color he or the shooters were? I'm so sick of the battle of the statistics, of the finger pointing and name calling, of the excuses made for why the murdering thugs did it, so lets give 'em a break and feel bad for them instead of the victims! noway grumble

Is it a hate crime? I'd say yes no matter whether it was racially motivated or not. Anyboday shooting anybody else for no reason has nothing but hate in their hearts. Period. End of story. Enough already about race. Murderers are murderers and they deserve death for taking life. It's that simple, or at least it SHOULD be...

frustrated






well, murder is murder, but when they ONLY charge white's with hate crimes, it gets a little lopsided...


My point exactly! Why do we even have such an asinine distinction? Murder is murder, whites or blacks involved. Isn't the murder itself evidence of hate? Why does it have to be against 'the other' race for it to be a hate crime? Aren't we all of the human race? I used to think so...not so sure anymore... what


it's all political, they really don't care except for their agenda...