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Topic: What do voter id laws fix ,, exactly?
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 08/26/13 10:42 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 08/26/13 11:02 AM

Why do we carry on voting, when we know prices will never go back down, and that the government will just keep toying with our lives? It's pointless. The only way is to stop voting. If everyone did, then at least the politicians would lose their job. We don't need the government. They need us. laugh


A certain amount of gov't is necessary to prevent chaos. If gov't would act within its Constitutional authority, instead of trying to denegrate the founding document that limits that authority, we would be in a happier place!

We don't need an aggressive, invasive gov't, we need one that actually does its job.... defending the Constitution and our nation, providing for the common defense, and promoting the general welfare of it's citizens..... not trying to control them!

I will proudly wear my tinfoil hat any day of the week opposing that role reversal of authority!

Waving the flag in this country used to mean something, but like everything else over the last 2 or 3 decades that gov't touches, even that has lost its value!

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Tue 08/27/13 02:53 PM
Ever since the Democratic party tried so hard to stop the Civil Rights Act to give Blacks, minorities and women equal treatment under the law(it was finally pushed through by the Republican congress and signed into law by Johnson)they have used black Americans for their political agenda, and held them "hostage" by making a lot them dependent on the govt. Now it seems they are scamming black Americans again in making them believe that voter ID laws dis-enfranchises them.
The fact is MOST African Americans of voting age have photo ID's whether it is driver licenses, student ID etc.
Even if you believe this not to be true...it is certainly a fact that they have the ability and means to acquire one, unlike illegal aliens.
So what is the REAL underlying issue of photo ID's?
Here's the real scam...Democrats want it easier for illegals to vote. With an estimated 20 million illegal aliens in the country Democrats want to bring them into their socialist tent.
The truth is that by NOT having photo ID's, it dis-enfranchises everyone's vote including black Americans because the illegals that vote dilutes the black vote too.
So all this "nonsense" about dis-enfranchising blacks and minorities is really about giving illegals the means to vote.

no photo
Tue 08/27/13 02:55 PM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Tue 08/27/13 02:56 PM
Voter fraud is not really a problem in the US. It is the people claiming there is fraud, when they don't get who they want in Office.

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Tue 08/27/13 02:59 PM

Voter fraud is not really a problem in the US. It is the people claiming there is fraud, when they don't get who they want in Office.

they always find people voting more then once and also a lot of dead people seem to come back to life during an election...if that's not voter fraud, I don't think you'll ever see it.

Also without photo id's you will never get an accurate picture of how much fraud there really is.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/27/13 04:24 PM
actually we do,, there are court cases

and documents about actual cases of voter fraud

hundreds of years of voting, but now people are just so concerned there is 'fraud'

for people that claim to want less government in their lives,, this sure seems like a contradictory fight for them to undertake,,,


we have a RIGHT to vote, making it a right contingent upon the resources to receive and RENEW identification every four years is a ridiculous proposition,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/27/13 04:26 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 08/27/13 04:27 PM

Ever since the Democratic party tried so hard to stop the Civil Rights Act to give Blacks, minorities and women equal treatment under the law(it was finally pushed through by the Republican congress and signed into law by Johnson)they have used black Americans for their political agenda, and held them "hostage" by making a lot them dependent on the govt. Now it seems they are scamming black Americans again in making them believe that voter ID laws dis-enfranchises them.
The fact is MOST African Americans of voting age have photo ID's whether it is driver licenses, student ID etc.
Even if you believe this not to be true...it is certainly a fact that they have the ability and means to acquire one, unlike illegal aliens.
So what is the REAL underlying issue of photo ID's?
Here's the real scam...Democrats want it easier for illegals to vote. With an estimated 20 million illegal aliens in the country Democrats want to bring them into their socialist tent.
The truth is that by NOT having photo ID's, it dis-enfranchises everyone's vote including black Americans because the illegals that vote dilutes the black vote too.
So all this "nonsense" about dis-enfranchising blacks and minorities is really about giving illegals the means to vote.



yeah, I really don't give a hoot bout alleged illegals voting,, I don't really believe it to be any more an issue than campaign workers or poll workers 'diluting' and improperly influencing the vote

,,it happens, cant make any foolproof plan that will entirely prevent it and it isn't happening often enough to justify making everyone else pay the cost for it,,,,

and where are all these csses of 'illegals' voting that we should make it harder for the 'legals' to use their own right?

willing2's photo
Tue 08/27/13 04:28 PM
Edited by willing2 on Tue 08/27/13 04:33 PM
The National Voter Registration Act (Motor Voter) of 1993 was spearheaded by liberal activists and supported by the Democrats.

The act required states to allow voter registration when a "qualifying" voter applied for or renewed a driver's license or applied for social services.

It also allowed voters to register through the mail.

Unfortunately, the act did not allow in person applications to be challenged or require identification for mail in applications.

Since the Democrats are supporting drivers licenses for illegal immigrants in Maryland, Illinois, and Minnesota, the main question is whether these states can have voter photo ID laws to prevent fraudulent voting. The Motor Voter Act doesn't require proof of citizenship to sign up for voter registration and this may allow illegal immigrants to vote in elections.

The Democrats are supporting immigration reform but are doing so in an ambiguous way. While the DNC states that the immigrants should learn English, pay penalties, and "get right" for their illegal immigration, the DNC refuses to make a statement regarding voter fraud from illegal immigrants.

The ultimate conclusion is that Democrats want to use loopholes in the Motor Voter Act to swell their ranks. By supporting illegal immigrants, Democrats want to increase their support based onquid pro quo rather than on ideological merits. Illegal immigrants can count on Democrats to support them and, in return, illegals can support the Democrats no matter what the issue.




no photo
Tue 08/27/13 08:36 PM


Voter fraud is not really a problem in the US. It is the people claiming there is fraud, when they don't get who they want in Office.

they always find people voting more then once and also a lot of dead people seem to come back to life during an election...if that's not voter fraud, I don't think you'll ever see it.

Also without photo id's you will never get an accurate picture of how much fraud there really is.



Voter Fraud is Rare

Tracy Campbell, a history professor at the University of Kentucky who studies voter fraud in past elections, said contemporary voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that hasn't existed in over a century.

abcnews


Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Wed 08/28/13 05:28 AM



Voter fraud is not really a problem in the US. It is the people claiming there is fraud, when they don't get who they want in Office.

they always find people voting more then once and also a lot of dead people seem to come back to life during an election...if that's not voter fraud, I don't think you'll ever see it.

Also without photo id's you will never get an accurate picture of how much fraud there really is.



Voter Fraud is Rare

Tracy Campbell, a history professor at the University of Kentucky who studies voter fraud in past elections, said contemporary voter ID laws are trying to solve a problem that hasn't existed in over a century.

abcnews



LOL yes we should all believe one political hack on ABC newsrofl rofl

willing2's photo
Wed 08/28/13 05:38 AM
Edited by willing2 on Wed 08/28/13 05:43 AM
Mo Giddyup Poll results;




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