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State Law Stopped Gunman From Buying Rifle, Officials Say By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT Published: September 17, 2013 GOOGLE+ SAVE SHARE REPRINTS WASHINGTON — The gunman who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday test fired an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week but was stopped from buying one because state law there prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers, according to two senior law enforcement officials. Related Signs of Mental Illness Seen in Navy Gunman for Decade (September 18, 2013) The Caucus: After Navy Yard Shooting, a New Look at Gun Control (September 17, 2013) Instead, the gunman, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun – an 870 Remington pump – and used it on Monday as he rampaged through the Navy facility, said the officials, who requested anonymity because of the continuing investigation. “The gun was broken in half and he had it in a bag,” one official said of the Remington. “He went inside the building and assembled it in a bathroom.” The gunman then perched himself above an atrium where he fired down on people who had been eating breakfast, officials said, adding that he used shotgun shells that had roughly a dozen large ball-bearing-like shots in them, increasing the lethal nature of each shot. “When he discharged, the pieces of lead would spread the farther they went,” the one .........to see whole article.... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?_r=0 Hmmm, well for the families of the people in this room this is great news. The law saved lives. You conclusions are so flawed, I don't know where to begin. You think that lives were saved because he was forced to use a Remington 870 shotgun instead of an AR15 rifle? I guess you don't know that a 12 gauge shotgun is considered the most deadly weapon for close quarters combat and are commonly used by military and swat teams for work in buildings. The shotgun has far less range than a rifle but distance isn't required in "urban" warfare. If weapons like the AR15 were banned, and nutcases like this were forced to used 870s, the death toll would probably go way up! It is much easier to kill someone with a shotgun. |
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I know I am happy about the lives saved by this law. Yep, now he'll buy it off the street along with deadlier ammo giving the criminal that sold it to him more money to buy more. Problem solved!  Stop buying the nra fearmongering... He is dead so no such luck the shotgun was enough to get him and 12 others dead. Actually he took the gun off one of the armed security in the atrium and shot more people with the GUN HE TOOK OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THAT WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE.... CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN....HE TOOK THE GUN OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE AND KILLED MORE WITH IT. Using this logic, our first step towards stricter gun laws is disarming law enforcement. In all fairness people would be more willing and open minded about new laws if this were to happen... |
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I know I am happy about the lives saved by this law. Yep, now he'll buy it off the street along with deadlier ammo giving the criminal that sold it to him more money to buy more. Problem solved! Stop buying the nra fearmongering... He is dead so no such luck the shotgun was enough to get him and 12 others dead. Actually he took the gun off one of the armed security in the atrium and shot more people with the GUN HE TOOK OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THAT WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE.... CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN....HE TOOK THE GUN OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE AND KILLED MORE WITH IT. So your point is that a criminal stole a gun? That's how most criminals get there guns. No the NRA premise is the armed security that was all over the place should have prevented the shooting and their arm actually made it possible for the shooter to SHOOT MORE... So again, it wasn't the gun, it was a lack of training in the person, or lax hiring protocols responsible for it. So again, your point is....... what? Your excuses are useless. Nothing negates the fact the armed security did not stop the gunman from killing anyone in fact they helped him fire more shots by providing him with another weapon.  and you think my argument is flawed I don't think it, it is obvious to all. You not only want to take guns away from the people but now those who protect them as well What a brain storm of a moment you're enjoying!  And I love how the Member is shouting to get the non-Facts across! Logic and common sense just seems to be non-existent in some peoples thought processes. What next? Cutting peoples legs off who live in the desert to avoid snake bite? 
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State Law Stopped Gunman From Buying Rifle, Officials Say By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT Published: September 17, 2013 GOOGLE+ SAVE SHARE REPRINTS WASHINGTON — The gunman who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday test fired an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week but was stopped from buying one because state law there prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers, according to two senior law enforcement officials. Related Signs of Mental Illness Seen in Navy Gunman for Decade (September 18, 2013) The Caucus: After Navy Yard Shooting, a New Look at Gun Control (September 17, 2013) Instead, the gunman, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun – an 870 Remington pump – and used it on Monday as he rampaged through the Navy facility, said the officials, who requested anonymity because of the continuing investigation. “The gun was broken in half and he had it in a bag,” one official said of the Remington. “He went inside the building and assembled it in a bathroom.” The gunman then perched himself above an atrium where he fired down on people who had been eating breakfast, officials said, adding that he used shotgun shells that had roughly a dozen large ball-bearing-like shots in them, increasing the lethal nature of each shot. “When he discharged, the pieces of lead would spread the farther they went,” the one .........to see whole article.... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?_r=0 Hmmm, well for the families of the people in this room this is great news. The law saved lives. You conclusions are so flawed, I don't know where to begin. You think that lives were saved because he was forced to use a Remington 870 shotgun instead of an AR15 rifle? I guess you don't know that a 12 gauge shotgun is considered the most deadly weapon for close quarters combat and are commonly used by military and swat teams for work in buildings. The shotgun has far less range than a rifle but distance isn't required in "urban" warfare. If weapons like the AR15 were banned, and nutcases like this were forced to used 870s, the death toll would probably go way up! It is much easier to kill someone with a shotgun. This is a reasonable concern. AR 15's and even the real assault weapons (the military issue ones) are designed to wound (albeit mortally) and have little stopping power. Shotguns are designed to stop and kill. Not to sound morbid, but I've seen people run several blocks after taking a couple rounds to the torso before dropping. People that do enough close quarters often change weapons to a larger caliber, or go with shotguns. Either way, when chaos falls, it is easier for the untrained person to hit a target with a shotgun than a rifle. Also, those who use shotguns don't have to sacrifice as much range as many think. |
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I know I am happy about the lives saved by this law. Yep, now he'll buy it off the street along with deadlier ammo giving the criminal that sold it to him more money to buy more. Problem solved! Stop buying the nra fearmongering... He is dead so no such luck the shotgun was enough to get him and 12 others dead. Actually he took the gun off one of the armed security in the atrium and shot more people with the GUN HE TOOK OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THAT WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE.... CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN....HE TOOK THE GUN OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE AND KILLED MORE WITH IT. So your point is that a criminal stole a gun? That's how most criminals get there guns. No the NRA premise is the armed security that was all over the place should have prevented the shooting and their arm actually made it possible for the shooter to SHOOT MORE... No, your point was that he stole a gun which is why you had that all in caps. |
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State Law Stopped Gunman From Buying Rifle, Officials Say By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT Published: September 17, 2013 GOOGLE+ SAVE SHARE REPRINTS WASHINGTON — The gunman who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday test fired an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week but was stopped from buying one because state law there prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers, according to two senior law enforcement officials. Related Signs of Mental Illness Seen in Navy Gunman for Decade (September 18, 2013) The Caucus: After Navy Yard Shooting, a New Look at Gun Control (September 17, 2013) Instead, the gunman, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun – an 870 Remington pump – and used it on Monday as he rampaged through the Navy facility, said the officials, who requested anonymity because of the continuing investigation. “The gun was broken in half and he had it in a bag,” one official said of the Remington. “He went inside the building and assembled it in a bathroom.” The gunman then perched himself above an atrium where he fired down on people who had been eating breakfast, officials said, adding that he used shotgun shells that had roughly a dozen large ball-bearing-like shots in them, increasing the lethal nature of each shot. “When he discharged, the pieces of lead would spread the farther they went,” the one .........to see whole article.... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?_r=0 Hmmm, well for the families of the people in this room this is great news. The law saved lives. You conclusions are so flawed, I don't know where to begin. You think that lives were saved because he was forced to use a Remington 870 shotgun instead of an AR15 rifle? I guess you don't know that a 12 gauge shotgun is considered the most deadly weapon for close quarters combat and are commonly used by military and swat teams for work in buildings. The shotgun has far less range than a rifle but distance isn't required in "urban" warfare. If weapons like the AR15 were banned, and nutcases like this were forced to used 870s, the death toll would probably go way up! It is much easier to kill someone with a shotgun. It wasn't close quarters though. He took a sniper stance. So you are flawed in your belief to my logic? |
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I know I am happy about the lives saved by this law. Yep, now he'll buy it off the street along with deadlier ammo giving the criminal that sold it to him more money to buy more. Problem solved! Stop buying the nra fearmongering... He is dead so no such luck the shotgun was enough to get him and 12 others dead. Actually he took the gun off one of the armed security in the atrium and shot more people with the GUN HE TOOK OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THAT WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE.... CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN....HE TOOK THE GUN OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE AND KILLED MORE WITH IT. Using this logic, our first step towards stricter gun laws is disarming law enforcement. In all fairness people would be more willing and open minded about new laws if this were to happen... Driven, that is not my point though.
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State Law Stopped Gunman From Buying Rifle, Officials Say By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT Published: September 17, 2013 GOOGLE+ SAVE SHARE REPRINTS WASHINGTON — The gunman who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday test fired an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week but was stopped from buying one because state law there prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers, according to two senior law enforcement officials. Related Signs of Mental Illness Seen in Navy Gunman for Decade (September 18, 2013) The Caucus: After Navy Yard Shooting, a New Look at Gun Control (September 17, 2013) Instead, the gunman, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun – an 870 Remington pump – and used it on Monday as he rampaged through the Navy facility, said the officials, who requested anonymity because of the continuing investigation. “The gun was broken in half and he had it in a bag,” one official said of the Remington. “He went inside the building and assembled it in a bathroom.” The gunman then perched himself above an atrium where he fired down on people who had been eating breakfast, officials said, adding that he used shotgun shells that had roughly a dozen large ball-bearing-like shots in them, increasing the lethal nature of each shot. “When he discharged, the pieces of lead would spread the farther they went,” the one .........to see whole article.... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?_r=0 Hmmm, well for the families of the people in this room this is great news. The law saved lives. You conclusions are so flawed, I don't know where to begin. You think that lives were saved because he was forced to use a Remington 870 shotgun instead of an AR15 rifle? I guess you don't know that a 12 gauge shotgun is considered the most deadly weapon for close quarters combat and are commonly used by military and swat teams for work in buildings. The shotgun has far less range than a rifle but distance isn't required in "urban" warfare. If weapons like the AR15 were banned, and nutcases like this were forced to used 870s, the death toll would probably go way up! It is much easier to kill someone with a shotgun. This is a reasonable concern. AR 15's and even the real assault weapons (the military issue ones) are designed to wound (albeit mortally) and have little stopping power. Shotguns are designed to stop and kill. Not to sound morbid, but I've seen people run several blocks after taking a couple rounds to the torso before dropping. People that do enough close quarters often change weapons to a larger caliber, or go with shotguns. Either way, when chaos falls, it is easier for the untrained person to hit a target with a shotgun than a rifle. Also, those who use shotguns don't have to sacrifice as much range as many think. He wasn't close quarters and he took a sniper stance. Above by a story or two. |
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I am so glad the gun law saved some lives.
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I know I am happy about the lives saved by this law. Yep, now he'll buy it off the street along with deadlier ammo giving the criminal that sold it to him more money to buy more. Problem solved! Stop buying the nra fearmongering... He is dead so no such luck the shotgun was enough to get him and 12 others dead. Actually he took the gun off one of the armed security in the atrium and shot more people with the GUN HE TOOK OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THAT WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE.... CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN....HE TOOK THE GUN OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE AND KILLED MORE WITH IT. So your point is that a criminal stole a gun? That's how most criminals get there guns. No the NRA premise is the armed security that was all over the place should have prevented the shooting and their arm actually made it possible for the shooter to SHOOT MORE... No, your point was that he stole a gun which is why you had that all in caps. Actually the point of the NRA that more guns would have saved the day and that it was a gun free zone are all false is what it proves. |
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I know I am happy about the lives saved by this law. Yep, now he'll buy it off the street along with deadlier ammo giving the criminal that sold it to him more money to buy more. Problem solved! Stop buying the nra fearmongering... He is dead so no such luck the shotgun was enough to get him and 12 others dead. Actually he took the gun off one of the armed security in the atrium and shot more people with the GUN HE TOOK OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THAT WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE.... CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN....HE TOOK THE GUN OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE AND KILLED MORE WITH IT. So your point is that a criminal stole a gun? That's how most criminals get there guns. No the NRA premise is the armed security that was all over the place should have prevented the shooting and their arm actually made it possible for the shooter to SHOOT MORE... No, your point was that he stole a gun which is why you had that all in caps. Actually the point of the NRA that more guns would have saved the day and that it was a gun free zone are all false is what it proves. And shouting doesn't change it! |
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I am so glad the gun law saved some lives. If anything you post, or any opinion you have, on this topic, had even one small shred of anything even close to reality to it, I would honestly be amazed. Next you'll be trying to convince people that the weight of rocks is what holds the world in place! |
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I know I am happy about the lives saved by this law. Yep, now he'll buy it off the street along with deadlier ammo giving the criminal that sold it to him more money to buy more. Problem solved! Stop buying the nra fearmongering... He is dead so no such luck the shotgun was enough to get him and 12 others dead. Actually he took the gun off one of the armed security in the atrium and shot more people with the GUN HE TOOK OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THAT WAS THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE.... CAN I SAY THAT AGAIN....HE TOOK THE GUN OFF THE ARMED SECURITY THERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE AND KILLED MORE WITH IT. So your point is that a criminal stole a gun? That's how most criminals get there guns. No the NRA premise is the armed security that was all over the place should have prevented the shooting and their arm actually made it possible for the shooter to SHOOT MORE... No, your point was that he stole a gun which is why you had that all in caps. Actually the point of the NRA that more guns would have saved the day and that it was a gun free zone are all false is what it proves. And shouting doesn't change it! I didn't shout. And the proof is there for all to see and it is proof of what I said. |
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I am so glad this gun law saved lives this day.
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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I am so glad this gun law saved lives this day. Twelve died at the Navy Shipyard because they were stripped of their right to defend themselves in D.C. Gun free zones are criminal freefire zones! It is the voters and politicians who think as you do who have their blood on their hands, not law abiding citizen gun owners! Wear it well! |
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I am so glad this gun law saved lives this day. Twelve died at the Navy Shipyard because they were stripped of their right to defend themselves in D.C. Gun free zones are criminal freefire zones! It is the voters and politicians who think as you do who have their blood on their hands, not law abiding citizen gun owners! Wear it well! Our ancestors wear this blood for raising such gun crazy fools in this country. Our law makers bear this blood for not controlling this a long time ago. Gun lobbyists wear this blood for their disregard to human life in favor of selling more guns. There is a gun for every citizen in this country including children..... it all just makes more innocent deaths. I may wear some of the responsibility because I am not completely against a tool. I am however against most of the tool holders because they are out of their fricken minds....  They believe this tool makes them more powerful They believe this tool makes them stronger They believe this tool will save them from our government But most frightening of all the tool holders are  which makes them all dangerous. You can see it here in these forums. The fear they feel if someone would take the gun from them is frightening. The gun is a crutch. |
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I am so glad this gun law saved lives this day. Twelve died at the Navy Shipyard because they were stripped of their right to defend themselves in D.C. Gun free zones are criminal freefire zones! It is the voters and politicians who think as you do who have their blood on their hands, not law abiding citizen gun owners! Wear it well! Our ancestors wear this blood for raising such gun crazy fools in this country. Our law makers bear this blood for not controlling this a long time ago. Gun lobbyists wear this blood for their disregard to human life in favor of selling more guns. There is a gun for every citizen in this country including children..... it all just makes more innocent deaths. I may wear some of the responsibility because I am not completely against a tool. I am however against most of the tool holders because they are out of their fricken minds.... They believe this tool makes them more powerful They believe this tool makes them stronger They believe this tool will save them from our government But most frightening of all the tool holders are which makes them all dangerous. You can see it here in these forums. The fear they feel if someone would take the gun from them is frightening. The gun is a crutch. Get a life, it will help your reality problem |
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I am so glad this gun law saved lives this day. Twelve died at the Navy Shipyard because they were stripped of their right to defend themselves in D.C. Gun free zones are criminal freefire zones! It is the voters and politicians who think as you do who have their blood on their hands, not law abiding citizen gun owners! Wear it well! Our ancestors wear this blood for raising such gun crazy fools in this country. Our law makers bear this blood for not controlling this a long time ago. Gun lobbyists wear this blood for their disregard to human life in favor of selling more guns. There is a gun for every citizen in this country including children..... it all just makes more innocent deaths. I may wear some of the responsibility because I am not completely against a tool. I am however against most of the tool holders because they are out of their fricken minds.... They believe this tool makes them more powerful They believe this tool makes them stronger They believe this tool will save them from our government But most frightening of all the tool holders are which makes them all dangerous. You can see it here in these forums. The fear they feel if someone would take the gun from them is frightening. The gun is a crutch. 
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