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Topic: incests
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Sat 01/18/14 11:23 PM
Hi everyone yesterday i was browsing on the net
And suddenly found a post by some lady from africa
It was all about her incest relationship and her guilt
And i was totally shocked after reading that whole 3pages of ****.
My religion teaches me to not even talk about that
but still i m curious
And want to ask u all
1.what do u think about relationships like that?
2.after homosexuality, heterosexual
And all that cross dressing ****
What we are turning into now?
3.fear of god or society and morals
Are they still strong enough to tell our head what is right and what is wrong
I knw u all are busy enough and this is a lo....ng easy
but a comment will be much appricated
Live well dye free
Regards

indignus's photo
Sun 01/19/14 12:16 AM
I think its pretty arrogant to judge someone else's life choices based on your personal sense of morality and religion when what they are doing is not affecting you. Plus, more people have been killed, raped, beaten, maimed and publicly humiliated in the name of religion throughout the ages then any other group in our planets history. Wasn't a large religious group recently exposed for raping little alter boys?

larsson71's photo
Sun 01/19/14 12:26 AM
Incest is wrong, full stop! Have a sexual relationship with anyone you like, but family members is totally out the question!

msharmony's photo
Sun 01/19/14 01:06 AM

Hi everyone yesterday i was browsing on the net
And suddenly found a post by some lady from africa
It was all about her incest relationship and her guilt
And i was totally shocked after reading that whole 3pages of ****.
My religion teaches me to not even talk about that
but still i m curious
And want to ask u all
1.what do u think about relationships like that?
2.after homosexuality, heterosexual
And all that cross dressing ****
What we are turning into now?
3.fear of god or society and morals
Are they still strong enough to tell our head what is right and what is wrong
I knw u all are busy enough and this is a lo....ng easy
but a comment will be much appricated
Live well dye free
Regards



I personally feel sex should be between unrelated people of the opposite sex

but our culture looks down on judging adults in their 'consenting' relationships

I imagine, with time, we will no longer have anti incest laws where adults are concerned either,,,

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 01/19/14 01:08 AM
1. I don't think incest is a good thing because of the possibility of birth defects in the offspring. That's enough to say you shouldn't do it.

2. Homosexuality and cross-dressing have probably been around since man started wearing clothes. Like in older times all actors were guys. So even the parts for women were played by men. I'd be willing to bet that they were probably gay or bi. For as long as what they are doing isn't hurting no body. I don't care what they do.

3. Morals developed without a belief in god because people developed the feeling of being wronged. I expect that god was created as a means of trying to control people and to keep people from doing worse things. The fear of being in a fiery pit for eternity you would think would be enough. But people who want to commit crimes are going to do that regardless what you say the punishment is. There is always going to be a percentage of people who commit crimes. But the general public are good people. You just hear more about those who do bad things.

PacificStar48's photo
Sun 01/19/14 01:37 AM
I would hope that religious taboos to talk about such issues would fade. To me it is a poor faith indeed that ignores human sin and the power/responsibilities of the faithful to practice/teach/enforce religious traditions that forbid incest.

Adults could and should stand up for the reality that incestuous relationships are rarely about true consent. That incest is manipulation, fraud, and abuse of relationships.

Incest is usually about one person over powering another vunerable family member into activities that are not about acts of affection, loyalty, protection, comfort, or love but disrespect, selfishness, perversion, anger, and dominance.

Often victims mean little or nothing to the perpretrator and are only a means to spite another person or as a substitute partner because they can't or won't bother to get an appropriate partner.

What makes me particularly disgusted is that rarely is it a secret crime in "families" and the victim is served up as victim when the very people who should be protecting them do not want to be victims themselves.

msharmony's photo
Sun 01/19/14 01:39 AM
1. I feel the same about MSM and HIV,, Id think that would be enough reason not to do it. But Im told that is what condoms are for.

2. I think so too. I think we are born with propensity to be bi, but are socialized to choose a 'preference' somewhere during our life.

3. I agree. Morals have existed long before anyone wrote them in a book or gave them a name. I don't agree God was created to control people. I agree that when people want something bad enough(especially when they don't have fear of consequences),, they will not stop till they have it. Whether its fear from others, or others possessions or whatever. I agree generally people aren't criminal minded.


unsure's photo
Sun 01/19/14 02:01 AM
For me..I don't agree with a lot of things. I will not judge what other people do, its their life and they do not have to answer to me. I am lucky to keep my own life in order PLUS I don't want other people to try to tell me how to live my life.
I know in the end, we all have to answer to one person. That one person is not on this site. I say live a good healthy life the way each of us want to, let everyone else live the life they want to.
Life is good flowerforyou

PacificStar48's photo
Sun 01/19/14 02:10 AM

For me..I don't agree with a lot of things. I will not judge what other people do, its their life and they do not have to answer to me. I am lucky to keep my own life in order PLUS I don't want other people to try to tell me how to live my life.
I know in the end, we all have to answer to one person. That one person is not on this site. I say live a good healthy life the way each of us want to, let everyone else live the life they want to.
Life is good flowerforyou


In most things I do agree that the live and let live theory of society makes sense. But in incestuous relationships where one person exercises control and domination over another and forces a sexualized abusive relationship on a family member that they can not escape then I think society has a responsibility to step up and say no this is not right and give the victim power to stop the abuse. Weather that is safe alternative place to live or removing the perpretraitor from the position of power over the family. I don't think any member in a family should have to be a victim to this kind of abuse.

msharmony's photo
Sun 01/19/14 02:13 AM
is it abuse between consenting adults?


unsure's photo
Sun 01/19/14 02:20 AM


For me..I don't agree with a lot of things. I will not judge what other people do, its their life and they do not have to answer to me. I am lucky to keep my own life in order PLUS I don't want other people to try to tell me how to live my life.
I know in the end, we all have to answer to one person. That one person is not on this site. I say live a good healthy life the way each of us want to, let everyone else live the life they want to.
Life is good flowerforyou


In most things I do agree that the live and let live theory of society makes sense. But in incestuous relationships where one person exercises control and domination over another and forces a sexualized abusive relationship on a family member that they can not escape then I think society has a responsibility to step up and say no this is not right and give the victim power to stop the abuse. Weather that is safe alternative place to live or removing the perpretraitor from the position of power over the family. I don't think any member in a family should have to be a victim to this kind of abuse.

I totally agree IF both partners are not consenting to this!

Duttoneer's photo
Sun 01/19/14 02:44 AM
Edited by Duttoneer on Sun 01/19/14 02:45 AM
Incest is illegal in most if not all countries, but the closeness of the related family member does vary, all violations by consenting adults results in prison sentances in most if not all countries. The reasons are as already mentioned, the strong possibility of birth defects in children born in such relationships.

It is interesting, that in Iceland with a population of approximately 320,000, some people could be too closely related for a safe marriage without being aware of it, see this.

The risk of Icelanders accidentally sleeping with a relative is apparently high enough to justify the creation of a smartphone app to help prevent it.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/18/iceland-incest-app


mirabelle's photo
Sun 01/19/14 02:58 AM
Incest with a minor is wrong. Incest with an adult is senseless. Latent homosexuals should be shot. One such person ruined my life for 17years until I found him out. He also destroyed my children. He is still going strong!!!Mirabelle

izzyphoto1977's photo
Sun 01/19/14 03:05 AM

Incest is illegal in most if not all countries, but the closeness of the related family member does vary, all violations by consenting adults results in prison sentances in most if not all countries. The reasons are as already mentioned, the strong possibility of birth defects in children born in such relationships.

It is interesting, that in Iceland with a population of approximately 320,000, some people could be too closely related for a safe marriage without being aware of it, see this.

The risk of Icelanders accidentally sleeping with a relative is apparently high enough to justify the creation of a smartphone app to help prevent it.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/18/iceland-incest-app




That is funny. The idea that they would have to create an app to keep from impregnating a possible relative is just nuts. But it remind me of where I live. My brother talked about how people had talked about how every one is related to everyone here. He didn't give much thought till he was talking to a family friend and she was saying something like "We're related to these people and my niece is marrying him." I also know a girl who was going out with this guy and she got freaked out when his father found out they were related. It wasn't really closely related. But it bothered her and they broke up for a while. I think they got back together after a while. But he was so mad at his dad for telling his GF about this link between them. lol

tanyam's photo
Sun 01/19/14 08:35 AM
I understand your feelings being hurt by someone who was obviously homosexual, but because of the pressures and stigma , he had to pretend not to be, if he had of felt comfortable enough the whole charade probably wouldn't have happened, no gay person deserves to be punished, live and let live ...... In saying that ,incest is usually not two consenting adults so that is very wrong.

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Sun 01/19/14 08:54 AM
homosexuality should not be equated with incest. There really is no reason to do that.

Incest is illegal and it's gross. Before being illegal it was taboo in most cultures the reason being that inbreeding a species can magnify weak or undesirable traits.

Abuses exist in all religions I would hesitate to single one out over the other. I do congratulate those religious groups who have accepted public scrutiny however, and made reforms

oldhippie1952's photo
Sun 01/19/14 08:56 AM
Sex within families is not good as far as I am concerned.

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Sun 01/19/14 08:58 AM

“Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. And unselfishness is letting other people's lives alone, not interfering with them. Selfishness always aims at creating around it an absolute uniformity of type. Unselfishness recognises infinite variety of type as a delightful thing, accepts it, acquiesces in it, enjoys it. It is not selfish to think for oneself. A man who does not think for himself does not think at all. It is grossly selfish to require of one's neighbour that he should think in the same way, and hold the same opinions. Why should he? If he can think, he will probably think differently. If he cannot think, it is monstrous to require thought of any kind from him. A red rose is not selfish because it wants to be a red rose. It would be horribly selfish if it wanted all the other flowers in the garden to be both red and roses.”


― Oscar Wilde

I hope your religion allows you to think. It has been my personal experience that organised religions are established to prevent that.


though I agree with most of what you are saying here, it is also important to respect boundaries in relationships. It is selfish not to do so. So while someone may not share your lifestyle, which in and of itself is fine, it is not selfish to expect them to NOT cross certain personal boundaries and cause unpleasant or unsafe conditions for others. Respect begets respect, as it will

JohnDavidDavid's photo
Sun 01/19/14 09:37 AM
Objections to incest focus upon child abuse, coercion and/or reproduction. If a situation involved adults with no coercion and no reproduction, what objections remain?


msharmony's photo
Sun 01/19/14 11:02 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 01/19/14 11:04 AM

Sex within families is not good as far as I am concerned.


agreed, but because its 'taboo' is not legal ground for it to be illegal,,,,


if they are consenting and not hurting others,, the law is leaning that it is no one elses business and they should have the same rights as others,,,


unless we make it illegal for people with inheritable diseases to marry,, we may not have the 'right' to keep family members from doing it too,,,

making it legal isn't gonna make people who wouldn't do it suddenly want to ,,, would it?


food for thought

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