Topic: Tiny victory for working poor,
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Wed 03/19/14 09:28 AM



How would you know that?

in my personal injury case, my attorney only received 30 percent

and of course, in my criminal case, the state paid expenses to prosecute


The state....meaning taxpayers


yep, I suppose we should stop prosecuting criminals to save the 'taxpayers' their money?....


Actually, yes we should, it is against the supreme law of the land.

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Wed 03/19/14 09:32 AM

lol,,

so entitlement crowd now expands to include those who CONTINUE to work,,,,rofl rofl rofl rofl


That is a perfectly idiotic statement and a total miscomprehension of the subject matter. In fact a total miscomprehension of natural and constitutional law in general.

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Wed 03/19/14 09:35 AM

true, its only a small victory as it must be divided 1700 ways


So how did more than 1600 get to be 1700, more freeloaders in the woodwork somewhere?

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Wed 03/19/14 09:45 AM

Some laws deserve enforcing, and it is the the duty of govt to protect peoples rights..... that is in the Constitution. However, many laws "passed" are against the very rights of the people governments (on any level) are sworn to protect, not infringe upon.


But where in the constitution does it define "prosecutors"? It doesn't. And where in the natural law does it state that a fiction can be an injured party? It doesn't.

Prosecution is where an injured party, having received no relief from an injury from the responsible party seeks remedy from the court. It is the responsibility of the injured party to seek that remedy, not the state. The state is to but provide the forum, a place for the case to be heard, and a magistrate to control the flow of the case. If the case cannot be resolved by mutual agreement before the magistrate, then the matter is referred to a tribunal, a jury of peers that decides the matter completely, both to fact and law.

What we have today is a totally hijacked law system based on money and greed, justice not allowed.

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Wed 03/19/14 09:44 AM




How would you know that?

in my personal injury case, my attorney only received 30 percent

and of course, in my criminal case, the state paid expenses to prosecute


The state....meaning taxpayers


yep, I suppose we should stop prosecuting criminals to save the 'taxpayers' their money?....


Actually, yes we should, it is against the supreme law of the land.


where in the 'supreme law' does it say criminals shouldn't be prosecuted?

what 'criminal prosecution' does the sixth amendment refer to,,, I must be misunderstanding the term that is 'against' the supreme law,,,


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Wed 03/19/14 09:47 AM

did I see "US Organized Labor" mentioned?:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:


Nope, not in this instance just the tyrannical rule of government.

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Wed 03/19/14 09:50 AM



How would you know that?

in my personal injury case, my attorney only received 30 percent

and of course, in my criminal case, the state paid expenses to prosecute


Personal injury, the law of torts, what a crock in today's court system. The largest majority of personal injury is just another entitlement claim against taking personal responsibility.

John Edwards, that dumbocratic hero of the south became very rich practicing tort.

And a fiction prosecuting anything, ludicrous. A distortion of law.


I agree

the 'just us' system hasn't been anymore successful at completely avoiding or eliminating frauds anymore than any other system has,,,

thankfully, I suffered serious back injuries which still cause me problems and received what I needed to deal with the necessary physical therapy at the time

and my stalking aggressor was , thankfully, also convicted,,


Doesn't change matters one iota, still a matter of no personal responsibility, just entitlements.

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Wed 03/19/14 10:21 AM


did I see "US Organized Labor" mentioned?:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:


Nope, not in this instance just the tyrannical rule of government.

U.S. restaurant and retail workers, many of whom earn minimum wage and live below the poverty line, have helped spark a national debate over income inequality. Their efforts are backed by U.S. organized labor, which has experienced plummeting membership in recent decades. laugh
another head of the Hydra!

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Wed 03/19/14 10:24 AM




How would you know that?

in my personal injury case, my attorney only received 30 percent

and of course, in my criminal case, the state paid expenses to prosecute


Personal injury, the law of torts, what a crock in today's court system. The largest majority of personal injury is just another entitlement claim against taking personal responsibility.

John Edwards, that dumbocratic hero of the south became very rich practicing tort.

And a fiction prosecuting anything, ludicrous. A distortion of law.


I agree

the 'just us' system hasn't been anymore successful at completely avoiding or eliminating frauds anymore than any other system has,,,

thankfully, I suffered serious back injuries which still cause me problems and received what I needed to deal with the necessary physical therapy at the time

and my stalking aggressor was , thankfully, also convicted,,


Doesn't change matters one iota, still a matter of no personal responsibility, just entitlements.



of course there was personal responsibility,,

the 'person responsible' for causing my injuries
and the 'person responsible' for stalking and assaulting me

were both HELD to their responsibility

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Wed 03/19/14 10:24 AM
Edited by alnewman on Wed 03/19/14 10:37 AM


Actually, yes we should, it is against the supreme law of the land.


where in the 'supreme law' does it say criminals shouldn't be prosecuted?

what 'criminal prosecution' does the sixth amendment refer to,,, I must be misunderstanding the term that is 'against' the supreme law,,,


So what you are saying is that you haven't a clue of what the constitution says, actually par for the course.

The constitution is based on enumerated powers, if they weren't given, they can't be taken.

These enumerated powers are 18 in number and listed in Article 1, Section 8. And just to insure that Section 8 was not misunderstood, they added Section 9 that added clarity of what can't be done with the powers enumerated in Section 8.

But in the case of the court system, that is covered in Article 3, Section 1 that establishes one Supreme court and other inferior courts as established by Congress better known as Article 3 courts but then even that power is clause 8 of section 8 of Article 1.

And you have absolutely no clue of the "Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments to the Constitution, they give the people nothing.

And Amendment 6 refers to no "criminal" prosecution. Criminal refers to a crime and that has no meaning in today's world. But according to Black's Law Dictionary, Revised 4th Edition, 1968:


CRIME. A positive or negative act in violation of penal law; an offense against the State. Wilkins v. U. S., C.C.A.Pa., 96 F. 837, 37 C.C.A. 588; People v. Williams, 24 Mich. 163, 9 Am.Rep. 119.


The word crime in Black's goes on for more than 2 columns, more than a page. But at the bottom of the first full column is the definition as understood by the founders:


A crime, as opposed to a civil injury, is the violation of a right, considered in reference to the evil tendency of such violation, as regards the community at large. 4 Steph.Comm. 4.


Of course I would not expect that the entitlement crowd would understand any of this. That is what makes them the perfect victim of the system.

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Wed 03/19/14 10:32 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 03/19/14 10:34 AM
laugh laugh laugh laugh

so , what you just stated, in laymans terms is that

you understand 'enumerated powers' and 'bill of rights'

and I am glad for you and impressed, seriously


but the questions were ,,,

where in the 'supreme law' does it say criminals shouldn't be prosecuted?

and

what 'criminal prosecution' does the sixth amendment refer to?


please don't answer by denying the existence of a thing (Crime) by including the legal definition of what that thing is (blacks law definition of crime)


rofl

when citizen breaks penal law (blacks definition of crime) should hey NOT be prosecuted?

if not, what is the purpose of Article 3 or any of the amedments pertaining to 'crime' or 'criminal'?

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Wed 03/19/14 10:31 AM
Edited by alnewman on Wed 03/19/14 10:42 AM



did I see "US Organized Labor" mentioned?:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:


Nope, not in this instance just the tyrannical rule of government.

U.S. restaurant and retail workers, many of whom earn minimum wage and live below the poverty line, have helped spark a national debate over income inequality. Their efforts are backed by U.S. organized labor, which has experienced plummeting membership in recent decades. laugh
another head of the Hydra!


Yeah, the Odumbo effort to have the minimum wage raised to $10.10 an hour. A few of the states have already done this on their own.

But what is really funny is a statement I read the other day stating in general that 16 million or so would benefit but that approximately 500,000 would lose their jobs. But that was ok with Odumbo, just go ahead and sacrifice the 500,000 for the benefit of the masses without considering the total impact of another 500,000 totally unemployed.

Seems if experience is any judge then the 500,000 would have a material impact on the overall outcome and more job loss would be likely. Miracle how that seems to happen isn't it?

But then the government is good and can do anything, especially ruin a country with entitlements.

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Wed 03/19/14 10:35 AM





How would you know that?

in my personal injury case, my attorney only received 30 percent

and of course, in my criminal case, the state paid expenses to prosecute


Personal injury, the law of torts, what a crock in today's court system. The largest majority of personal injury is just another entitlement claim against taking personal responsibility.

John Edwards, that dumbocratic hero of the south became very rich practicing tort.

And a fiction prosecuting anything, ludicrous. A distortion of law.


I agree

the 'just us' system hasn't been anymore successful at completely avoiding or eliminating frauds anymore than any other system has,,,

thankfully, I suffered serious back injuries which still cause me problems and received what I needed to deal with the necessary physical therapy at the time

and my stalking aggressor was , thankfully, also convicted,,


Doesn't change matters one iota, still a matter of no personal responsibility, just entitlements.



of course there was personal responsibility,,

the 'person responsible' for causing my injuries
and the 'person responsible' for stalking and assaulting me

were both HELD to their responsibility


And that would only be one side of a story and that side from personal experience seems to be tainted. But if you would like to post case numbers I would gladly check them out.

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Wed 03/19/14 10:36 AM
nah, I truly believe there are sickos in these threads that wouldn't hesitate to rejoice in bringing harm to those they feel are 'entitled' or 'thugs' or any of the other labels signifying someone's inferior status to themselves,,

my stalker is no longer imprisoned,,,I have no intention of some sicko informing him of how to find me,,,



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Wed 03/19/14 10:54 AM

laugh laugh laugh laugh

so , what you just stated, in laymans terms is that

you understand 'enumerated powers' and 'bill of rights'

and I am glad for you and impressed, seriously


but the questions were ,,,

where in the 'supreme law' does it say criminals shouldn't be prosecuted?

and

what 'criminal prosecution' does the sixth amendment refer to?


please don't answer by denying the existence of a thing (Crime) by including the legal definition of what that thing is (blacks law definition of crime)


rofl

when citizen breaks penal law (blacks definition of crime) should hey NOT be prosecuted?

if not, what is the purpose of Article 3 or any of the amedments pertaining to 'crime' or 'criminal'?


All of this has already been answered, it is not my problem if you do not comprehend. Do your own research, all the paths have been laid out. I do not subscribe to entitlements, so my time is my own to do as I wish and I wished to provide clarity. It is your responsibility to proceed beyond that as provided by me.

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Wed 03/19/14 10:58 AM

nah, I truly believe there are sickos in these threads that wouldn't hesitate to rejoice in bringing harm to those they feel are 'entitled' or 'thugs' or any of the other labels signifying someone's inferior status to themselves,,

my stalker is no longer imprisoned,,,I have no intention of some sicko informing him of how to find me,,,





So we remain with a one sided story that from experience can be considered tainted and within the scope of reasonable doubt as to the facts.

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Wed 03/19/14 10:59 AM


laugh laugh laugh laugh

so , what you just stated, in laymans terms is that

you understand 'enumerated powers' and 'bill of rights'

and I am glad for you and impressed, seriously


but the questions were ,,,

where in the 'supreme law' does it say criminals shouldn't be prosecuted?

and

what 'criminal prosecution' does the sixth amendment refer to?


please don't answer by denying the existence of a thing (Crime) by including the legal definition of what that thing is (blacks law definition of crime)


rofl

when citizen breaks penal law (blacks definition of crime) should hey NOT be prosecuted?

if not, what is the purpose of Article 3 or any of the amedments pertaining to 'crime' or 'criminal'?


All of this has already been answered, it is not my problem if you do not comprehend. Do your own research, all the paths have been laid out. I do not subscribe to entitlements, so my time is my own to do as I wish and I wished to provide clarity. It is your responsibility to proceed beyond that as provided by me.

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Wed 03/19/14 10:59 AM


laugh laugh laugh laugh

so , what you just stated, in laymans terms is that

you understand 'enumerated powers' and 'bill of rights'

and I am glad for you and impressed, seriously


but the questions were ,,,

where in the 'supreme law' does it say criminals shouldn't be prosecuted?

and

what 'criminal prosecution' does the sixth amendment refer to?


please don't answer by denying the existence of a thing (Crime) by including the legal definition of what that thing is (blacks law definition of crime)


rofl

when citizen breaks penal law (blacks definition of crime) should hey NOT be prosecuted?

if not, what is the purpose of Article 3 or any of the amedments pertaining to 'crime' or 'criminal'?


All of this has already been answered, it is not my problem if you do not comprehend. Do your own research, all the paths have been laid out. I do not subscribe to entitlements, so my time is my own to do as I wish and I wished to provide clarity. It is your responsibility to proceed beyond that as provided by me.

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Wed 03/19/14 11:03 AM


laugh laugh laugh laugh

so , what you just stated, in laymans terms is that

you understand 'enumerated powers' and 'bill of rights'

and I am glad for you and impressed, seriously


but the questions were ,,,

where in the 'supreme law' does it say criminals shouldn't be prosecuted?

and

what 'criminal prosecution' does the sixth amendment refer to?


please don't answer by denying the existence of a thing (Crime) by including the legal definition of what that thing is (blacks law definition of crime)


rofl

when citizen breaks penal law (blacks definition of crime) should hey NOT be prosecuted?

if not, what is the purpose of Article 3 or any of the amedments pertaining to 'crime' or 'criminal'?


All of this has already been answered, it is not my problem if you do not comprehend. Do your own research, all the paths have been laid out. I do not subscribe to entitlements, so my time is my own to do as I wish and I wished to provide clarity. It is your responsibility to proceed beyond that as provided by me.



dude, I totally understood your pedantic 'look how intelligent I am' rant

but it still doesn't address the questions it was allegedly supposed to be answering,,,lol

I see plenty in the 'supreme' law about crime and criminal and all I asked was where that law states that criminals cant be prosecuted

I see you have no actual direct answer to 'provide clarity' so I will assume my responsibility to not expect that to change and to move on,,,,



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Wed 03/19/14 11:05 AM


nah, I truly believe there are sickos in these threads that wouldn't hesitate to rejoice in bringing harm to those they feel are 'entitled' or 'thugs' or any of the other labels signifying someone's inferior status to themselves,,

my stalker is no longer imprisoned,,,I have no intention of some sicko informing him of how to find me,,,





So we remain with a one sided story that from experience can be considered tainted and within the scope of reasonable doubt as to the facts.



I think his CONVICTION alleviates the notion of a 'reasonable doubt'

and I am yet again not disappointed

continue to believe the accounts you choose to believe and discount others ,,,,,,its the persecuted privileged way,,,laugh laugh