Topic: McDonald's over minimum wage
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Sun 03/23/14 11:00 AM

What is everyone's thoughts on the group protesting to get paid $15 to work at McDonald's?

I'm on the fence.. It bothers me when able bodied people are on welfare, when they CAN work at McD's but @ 7 or 8 an hour...you a make more on welfare.
I just don't know?


The cost of living varies from place to place. So, what hourly jobs pay should reflect the cost of living of the communities that the jobs are in.

Also, entry-level jobs are just that, entry level. Should a person in an entry-level job have a pay rate of $15/hour?

Dodo_David's photo
Sun 03/23/14 11:02 AM
For what it's worth, in the USA, an individual state can have a minimum wage that is higher than the federal minimum wage, and an individual city can have a minimum wage that is higher than the federal minimum wage.

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Sun 03/23/14 11:05 AM

msharmony's photo
Sun 03/23/14 11:06 AM
true

I see the difficulty with discussing 'minimum wage' in addition to how it varies from place to place is it is a very SPECIFIC number that doesn't at all include those wages that are even one penny more but equally minimal....

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Sun 03/23/14 11:08 AM
. it's all about the... GREEN..

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Sun 03/23/14 11:24 AM
.. and by hiring more of my friend here[/.URL].. I will be able to save more green..

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Sun 03/23/14 11:31 AM


Where I find it out of line is if they raise minimum to $15 for fast food workers... then what happens to all those above them that are working the jobs and getting paid the $15?

Let me just say this those workers will not get raises to be above fast food workers they will remain with their salary. Then the cost of living and food will all will rise..... In the long run who benefits from it all?

Those that wait tables will still make the $2.15 and hour but will have to pay taxes on the $15 hour...

I'm all for people making more money but many are not putting the thought into what it will do to the economy. And those within jobs that had to get a degree or work many years up the ladder to get there....

Sorry $15 is a bit over the line for minimum wage.....

If they would weed out the Welfare people that are taking the system and do not need it they would see a big difference...

I see it all the time those that are on welfare and doing better then I do and I work for my money.


What is the current minimum wage in the states for an employee at McDonalds?

Jersey just went up to $8.25/hr

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Sun 03/23/14 11:35 AM


What is everyone's thoughts on the group protesting to get paid $15 to work at McDonald's?

I'm on the fence.. It bothers me when able bodied people are on welfare, when they CAN work at McD's but @ 7 or 8 an hour...you a make more on welfare.
I just don't know?

I know here in Milwaukee, WI we had the protests. Thing is it wasn't the workers protesting. It was a group called Wisconsin Jobs Now. They organized the protests and bussed in protesters. The McDonalds was open and none of the workers walked off the job to protest and demand $15/hr.
The unions are also backing these protests because they want to unionize the workers.


Yeah, that is the big thing, the Unions have been losing ground and members. Now they see this as a huge opportunity to "organize" a bunch of low class idiots, some 859,758 of them in the US by one estimate. And if the Union dues were just $2 a week and only 50% joined that would be $44,707,416 in dues per year. Just imagine the amount of "high" living union bosses and campaign contributions that would support.

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Sun 03/23/14 11:45 AM


What is everyone's thoughts on the group protesting to get paid $15 to work at McDonald's?

I'm on the fence.. It bothers me when able bodied people are on welfare, when they CAN work at McD's but @ 7 or 8 an hour...you a make more on welfare.
I just don't know?


it means that MD's will have to raise their prices on everything...

goodbye md's...lol


Here is an interesting article on the effects of a raise to $15:


Yum! Brands Inc. (KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut)

> Number of employees: 880,330
> Total wage expense at current pay level: $11.99 billion
> Total wage expense at $15 an hour: $20.11 billion
> Annual wage cost increase: $8.32 billion

McDonald’s Corp.
> Number of employees: 859,978
> Total wage expense at current pay level: $12.27 billion
> Total wage expense at $15 an hour: $20.59 billion
> Annual wage cost increase: $8.13 billion

Burger King Worldwide Inc.
> Number of employees: 191,815
> Total wage expense at current pay level: $2.67 billion
> Total wage expense at $15 an hour: $4.49 billion
> Annual wage cost increase: $1.81 billion

The Wendy’s Company
> Number of employees: 168,672
> Total wage expense at current pay level: $2.35 billion
> Total wage expense at $15 an hour: $3.95 billion
> Annual wage cost increase: $1.59 billion


Read the whole story: The Wage Hike to $15 Would Cost McDonald’s $8 Billion

Well if they made $5.5 billion, would that make them $2.5 billion in the hole?

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Sun 03/23/14 11:49 AM



What is everyone's thoughts on the group protesting to get paid $15 to work at McDonald's?

I'm on the fence.. It bothers me when able bodied people are on welfare, when they CAN work at McD's but @ 7 or 8 an hour...you a make more on welfare.
I just don't know?

I know here in Milwaukee, WI we had the protests. Thing is it wasn't the workers protesting. It was a group called Wisconsin Jobs Now. They organized the protests and bussed in protesters. The McDonalds was open and none of the workers walked off the job to protest and demand $15/hr.
The unions are also backing these protests because they want to unionize the workers.


Yeah, that is the big thing, the Unions have been losing ground and members. Now they see this as a huge opportunity to "organize" a bunch of low class idiots, some 859,758 of them in the US by one estimate. And if the Union dues were just $2 a week and only 50% joined that would be $44,707,416 in dues per year. Just imagine the amount of "high" living union bosses and campaign contributions that would support.

Ugh don't even get me started on Unions! I deal with 2 separate unions on my job... They're all scams! However, for some unscrupulous workers it's the best thing since sliced bread!

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Sun 03/23/14 12:05 PM
you make the choice to work for x# of dollars/hour!
I had just started at a medical equipment delivery company
we were told that we needed to do more work on the weekends. so I asked for a .50 cent / hour raise well I did get it!!!!!!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana:

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Sun 03/23/14 12:18 PM

http://www.mises.org/daily/6665/How-SpecialInterest-Groups-Benefit-from-Minimum-Wage-Laws

http://bastiat.mises.org/2014/01/minimum-wage-mendacity/

http://bastiat.mises.org/2014/01/hazlitt-explains-minimum-wage-laws/

http://laborpains.org/2013/02/14/new-research-labor-unions-support-minimum-wage-hikes-because-their-contracts-peg-salaries-to-minimum-wage-levels/

Research from the Center for Union Facts Uncovers Union Agenda Behind President Obama's Minimum Wage Hike Proposal

Today the Center for Union Facts released new research detailing how many collective bargaining agreements link union salaries and wage rates to the federal minimum wage. This research comes two days after President Obama proposed raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $9,a move which labor unions broadly praised.

The research brief can be accessed here.

This research shows that labor unions stand to gain from minimum wage increases, even though their members don't make the minimum wage, said Richard Berman, Executive Director of the Center for Union Facts. Some union contracts set starting union wages as much as fifteen percent higher than the federal minimum wage.

Union officials have been anything but altruistic in their support for minimum wage hikes over the years, Berman concluded. This also calls into question whether some politicians who support minimum wage hikes do so out of support for unions,the same unions that are some of the nation's biggest campaign contributors.


http://mises.org/daily/6638/Welfare-Minimum-Wages-and-Unemployment


Wow, loved your articles but doubted very seriously that more than a few would have read even one, the problem we face in today's world, people purposely remaining ignorant of the facts because it is not convenient.

But what can we say, the article pinpoint the principles of a true market based economy, that dirty word, "capitalism".

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Sun 03/23/14 12:20 PM



Where I find it out of line is if they raise minimum to $15 for fast food workers... then what happens to all those above them that are working the jobs and getting paid the $15?

Let me just say this those workers will not get raises to be above fast food workers they will remain with their salary. Then the cost of living and food will all will rise..... In the long run who benefits from it all?

Those that wait tables will still make the $2.15 and hour but will have to pay taxes on the $15 hour...

I'm all for people making more money but many are not putting the thought into what it will do to the economy. And those within jobs that had to get a degree or work many years up the ladder to get there....

Sorry $15 is a bit over the line for minimum wage.....

If they would weed out the Welfare people that are taking the system and do not need it they would see a big difference...

I see it all the time those that are on welfare and doing better then I do and I work for my money.


What is the current minimum wage in the states for an employee at McDonalds?

Jersey just went up to $8.25/hr

Thank you

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Sun 03/23/14 12:34 PM

its supply and demand on both sides,,,

we currently have a culture that demonizes people for wanting what they consider adequate pay as opposed to just taking a job to stay off of assistance


but, on the flip side employers are clearly supported in setting wages that are 'adequate' for their ledgers

however, in fairness, just like employers having that ability to decide what wages best feed their 'profit' , employees have the ability to decide what wages best feed their families,,lol

if their wages aren't competitive, they don't get the employees
just like if the employees 'skills' aren't competitive they don't get the job'


seems like the 'fair market' to me, for both sides, and it will work out whenever both sides figure out a compromise that they both feel is adequate to meeting their ability to maintain their business, or their family's needs,,,


Pretty obvious by this post that the articles in the previous post weren't even glanced at must less read. They show that this entire tirade is just pure BS. But then what would they know, they are just a professor of Economics, a published Economist, and researchers.

By reading these papers, it shows that not a single statement of your entire post has any where near a true fact. These statement deny the fact the a person has value but is denied that value and must depend on the entitlement system instead of having a opportunity to move himself forward. Meanwhile the world moves forward without them, forever trapping them in the world of entitlements. Your statement are but an excuse for the entitlement system.

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Sun 03/23/14 12:37 PM

No one has to DICTATE what a employer will pay them in a free market economy because supply and demand will dictate what an employer HAS to pay. The US didn't become the RICHEST country in the world using socialist, communist or fascist economic methods. Is that so hard to comprehend?

One of the biggest problem in the EU is the DEPENDENCY on the GOVERNMENT for the cradle to grave entitlement mentality by many people and that is causing the austerity measures that those same people are crying about. Why should the any government steal money from one person and give it to able, healthy and capable people so they can stay at home? The notion that it is the government responsibility is what creates an irresponsible and unproductive society.

Big government is the problem.....not the solution.


The only thing I would change in your whole statement would be to remove the word "big" in front of government.

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Sun 03/23/14 12:40 PM

problem with the analogy is comparing the US to the EU

the EU is made of 28 countries,,,

one of which, Luxembourg is higher on the 'richest' list than the US is http://top10thebest.com/top-10-richest-countries-in-the-world/

also , higher on the 'richest' list is, Norway(Which by American standards may be considered to be taking from some to give to others with their health system)

and all the others above us are in ASIA

now,, I don't know about other people, but I certainly feel there are other things that make a society or culture desirable besides just how 'rich' it is,,,

like how it treats its citizens,,,



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Sun 03/23/14 12:45 PM

true

I see the difficulty with discussing 'minimum wage' in addition to how it varies from place to place is it is a very SPECIFIC number that doesn't at all include those wages that are even one penny more but equally minimal....


See difficulty discussing minimum wage, well start with rights, oh wait that would be a problem too, so let's just put it bluntly. Minimum wage is just the entitlement crowd thinking they are worth more than they are really worth. Results in denying an individual their right to be paid for their value and ending up on the welfare system.

In other words, it keeps the people as slaves, the entire purpose of the entitlement crowd, period.

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Sun 03/23/14 12:49 PM

For what it's worth, in the USA, an individual state can have a minimum wage that is higher than the federal minimum wage, and an individual city can have a minimum wage that is higher than the federal minimum wage.


For what it is worth, no they can't. They only think they can under the color of law. Just where in the constitution does it give them that authority?

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Sun 03/23/14 12:51 PM

The cost of living varies from place to place. So, what hourly jobs pay should reflect the cost of living of the communities that the jobs are in.

Also, entry-level jobs are just that, entry level. Should a person in an entry-level job have a pay rate of $15/hour?


Oh I would really love to see you explain that cost of living thing as it relates to this post, the minimum wage for McDonald's employees.

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Sun 03/23/14 01:32 PM
Make education free and I see no reason for a garbage collector to earn any less than a surgeon. A working community is serious business, it isn't a joke. You should have a person best suited to being a surgeon a surgeon, and one who would happily collect garbage and concentrate on family life if they earned as much as a surgeon.
Since the only intrinsic justification for a differential wage establishment is the cost of schooling, make it free and then level wages for all workers in all industries.

Sure the only downside is the only car make would be a Ford, no Ferraris but don't you get it, the people who really deserved a Ferrari in the first place would modify their Fords in the garage to perform and seem like a Ferrari. This is what people do anyway, it's just without nepotism and socioeconomic circumstance on your side, the world is against you. How is that a good thing, unless you're not the one on the bottom rung?

The way it is now what you are compelled to do is minoritize to elevate. And that's what causes all, all, all of the problems.