Topic: Climate change, disaster in the making.
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Thu 05/08/14 08:49 PM

Global Warming Has Never Been Explained Quite So Beautifully

news.yahoo.com/global-warming-never-explained-quite-beautifully-162126072.html


That's really rich, the government and it's subsidiary Google and you expect the truth, well don't hold your breath.

But if it's real data you want, then Chapter 9, paragraphs 91. to 9.35 should do.

Here it is, your very own downloadable copy of Agenda 21.

So be good little sheeple and see which pen you are to be assigned and please hurry, the wolves are hungry.

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Thu 05/08/14 08:54 PM

Harry Reid: Koch Brothers Are One of the "Main Causes" of Climate Change

www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/07/reid-koch-climate-change_n_5282024.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592


Harry Reid, one of the main institutions of lying in the government, exceeding Odumbo, Holdenup, and the CrapPailoftheHouse combined.

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Fri 05/09/14 06:13 AM


The fact is that I know more about Global Warming than any could guess. I, in my tenure at NASA have dealt directly with the acquisition of data and had lunch with many of those who have done the studies. It wasn't my area of expertise but since I was traveling all over the world observing ice packs, glaciers, and snow caps in the winter (both hemispheres)and the reductions in the coral reefs and fish in the ocean by scuba, I had lots to talk about when I returned and sometimes before I left.

A main problem is that the facts get twisted to suit whatever political agenda someone is pushing. Al Gore had some facts but used them to push a bologna agenda. The "carbon tax credit" solution was always set up to be just another way to shift income from the "rich countries" to the "poor countries". It wasn't really expected to do much to reduce the amount of global warming caused by man. However, the fact is that man has released enough carbon dioxide and other global warming gases to significantly speed the warming of the planet far faster than what would happen naturally if the historic cycles were predictive.

The fact is that the oil companies have done an excellent job of buying misinformation to sell to the public that the whole problem is a hoax. It is not. It just isn't what some (mostly left wing) alarmists sell it to be.

It is a problem, It does cause instability in the atmosphere that caused new highs and lows in temperatures and give storms systems additional energy to have bigger tornadoes, more frequent snowstorms, larger hurricanes, longer lasting droughts and more extensive flooding. In other words, it causes exactly the types of unusual weather patterns we have been experiencing for recent years.

A major solution to the production of greenhouse gases would be the addition of new nuclear power plants which have safe designs and would feed our new electricity needs for years ... but there is too much false information out there to make it happen.

The technology has existed for years to run our cars on CNG (compressed natural gas) but the oil companies and the US government don't want that to happen since it would eliminate the need to import oil (which makes the oil companies a lot of money) and would take the US out of the "petrodollar" standard which now supports the value of the US dollar.

Honda, thinking the US would do the logical thing by expanding the availability of CNG nationwide in face of huge increases in oil prices, started mass producing the CNG Honda Civic ... and no one bought it due to no infrastructure... which is pretty stupid of the US since natural gas is available everywhere.

A CNG plug-in hybrid car would pretty much take care of the human addition to global warming if combined with nuke based electricity and widespread use.

http://ngvsolutions-px.rtrk.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=RL

Europe is in deep chit when the source of their fresh water is gone which may not be that far into the future.


From Wiki: Glaciers

Glaciers are noted as a vital water source due to their contribution to stream flow. Rising global temperatures have noticeable effects on the rate at which glaciers are melting, causing glaciers in general to shrink worldwide.[54] Although the meltwater from these glaciers are increasing the total water supply for the present, the disappearance of glaciers in the long term will diminish available water resources. Increased meltwater due to rising global temperatures can also have negative effects such as flooding of lakes and dams and catastrophic results.

I could write a book.


Fiction!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW1FsIA_G-4&index=4&list=WL

Geologist Informs UK Gov On Climate Change "Lies" Global Warming is a FRAUD=UN agenda21.

But then he is only a Geologist, what would he know?





You obviously don't know any science and you have an agenda based on political views. You wouldn't recognize real science if it hit you in the face. There is a reason all legitimate science organizations understand global warming ... if not the recommendations some make due to it's effects.

I have been posting real science on Mingle for years. If you understood any of this topic, you would see how your "geologist" is using a straw man argument to push an agenda... just like you do.

Finding a youtube crackpot is not proof. It just shows you are not serious about learning anything. For whatever other problems NASA has, it's Earth science group has done excellent work.

With all due respect, your posts make you look like a moron.

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Fri 05/09/14 06:50 AM



A photo of Lake Superior taken on April 20 with NASA’s Aqua satellite shows an ice-coverage level of about 67 percent.
Duluth's corner of Lake Superior on Wednesday was a curio cabinet of strange times on the lake this spring.

Seven lakers bore through gloppy ice and passed under the Aerial Lift Bridge during the noon hour. It was a sign of how slow-going things have been on the lake because of lingering ice and, earlier this week, gale warnings. Strong wind blew in ice from the eastern part of the lake, and areas off shorelines 15 miles north and south of Duluth were cluttered with a soup of ice, tree trunks and other detritus.

"It's fun," said a hustling Beth Duncan at the Lake Superior Maritime Visitors Center, near the lift bridge in Canal Park. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers park ranger was on the loudspeakers inside and out, calling out facts about each ship for the few dozen boat watchers braving a pelting rain and the handful inside the museum. The Canadian ship Thunder Bay had just passed through - the third ship in 15 minutes - and she was gathering information on four more ships lined up in the distance, painted with mist and fog.

She said it was unique that seven ships in succession slipped into Duluth. It was more like a Tall Ships festival than everyday shipping business.

© Bob King / rking@duluthnews.com
Four lakers wait in the ice in Lake Superior north of the Lakewood pumping station as the icebreaker Mackinaw (right of the third ship from left) opens a channel to allow safe passage into and out of the Twin Ports on Wednesday morning.
The ice cutter Mackinaw got things rolling early Wednesday morning, leading a ship out of the harbor after cutting ice on the way in for the shipjam that stretched up to Knife River. The Hon. James L. Oberstar was the first in port at 12:18 p.m.

Ice continues to be a problem on the lake, especially around the Duluth and Superior entries after the wind-whipped storm earlier this week shoved ice in.

Mark Dobson, a vessel traffic manager at the Soo Locks, said ice had loosened across the Great Lakes and ships were moving, only to be stalled by the gale warnings. On Tuesday, several upbound ships waited in Whitefish Bay, next to Isle Royale or other calm points.

"The ice is getting sparse, especially after the storm blew through," Dobson said. He said the wind was a setback for traffic "but might be a blessing" in clearing locked-in ice. "Every day is another improvement."

Ships are still being escorted with ice breakers on Superior, so the clump of those seen coming into Duluth on Wednesday will likely be repeated in coming days. Nine upbound ships were just north of Whitefish Bay on Wednesday afternoon, headed to ports west.

The pickup in traffic pleases Glen Nekvasil, vice president of the Lake Carriers' Association. Shipments on Superior, the home of five iron ore ports and vital coal links, were sparse in April.

"It's pretty obvious it's going to be significantly reduced," Nekvasil said of the expected monthly tonnage report he files.

He groans about a poster ship for the slow season dealing with braking ice: an ore carrier that left the North Shore March 23 and didn't make its delivery until April 23. Lakers usually can make four trips in 30 days under clear sailing, Nekvasil said.

"This is the worst," he said, recalling past benchmarks for ice and slow seasons in 1976 and 1994, a year when cutters broke ice until May 18. Not having access to the ports at Thunder Bay, Duluth, Superior and along the North Shore has a huge effect on the whole of the Great Lakes commerce. Steel mills have had to idle or conserve while waiting for taconite.

"As Lake Superior goes, Great Lakes shipping goes," Nekvasil said.

George Leshkevich is an expert on Great Lakes ice as a scientist for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Michigan. He said he wouldn't be surprised if there was ice on Superior in June.

While satellite images show more ice broken up and in smaller floes, there's "a lot still on the lake," Leshkevich said.

He said ice on the lake this year compares to 1979 in terms of coverage, with about 67 percent iced over on the comparable date of April 23.

He's still running the numbers, but 2014 looks like "there's going to be even more" lingering ice than in 1979. "This year is maybe a record-breaking year."

More than the mere curiosity of ice in June and despite its bite into the shipping industry, Leshkevich said there are some good results from a bitterly cold season on the lake. Ice coverage can prevent shoreline trees from budding too early and becoming frostbitten. The surface temperature of the water, once on a warming trend, hasn't risen in the past two years. Ice coverage helps protect whitefish spawns.

The scientist knows full well of the struggles ships have faced on Lake Superior. He was on board the Mackinaw in late March when it met 42 inches of ice in Whitefish Bay, the door to the Soo Locks. Ice damaged ships and cutters.

"It's a hard year," he said. "It's been brutal."



It has been so cold this spring, even here in Ohio, that it is difficult to worry about global warming right now. Also we are doing OK at improving on carbon emmissions...not great, but OK. The more we continue to improve on that scale the less likely the problem. But I would not think it wise to take an extreme position either way. Obviously there is enough good science to influence our environmental policy to take some measures, though not extreme (thankfully)


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Fri 05/09/14 07:00 AM



With all due respect, this planet has been around for 4 and a half billion years and it has done far more to itself than man could ever dream of doing.

Yet it survives..


Humans can do NOTHING to stop natural changes in climate..



I guess it depends on what our basic beliefs are. Me personally, I don't believe the world has been around anywhere near that long. And if it's changing as quickly as it has been in the last few decades simply due to natural progression, then we humans better be preparing for shelter on another planet or space stations because this earth will burn itself out on its own before too much longer, the way things are going.

On the other hand, if we humans are contributing to the earth's and our own demise on it by how we pollute the air, oceans, even the food we eat, then there are reasonable steps we can take in the early stages to counteract things. IMO.



Belief or not a belief is immaterial as natural law can't be changed by the belief of man. This earth at times has an elliptical orbit and other times a circular orbit around the sun. Whether man believes or not is immaterial, it is a natural law and immutable.

At times the sun is very active, lots of solar flares, other times it is quite, with little to no flares. Whether man believes or not is immaterial, it is a natural law and immutable.

The results of the suns activity and the earth's orbit around the sun leads to periods of the earth warming up or cooling down. Whether man believes or not is immaterial, it is immutable.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere is actually low compared to other times in history. In fact during some of earth's colder periods, the atmosphere has actually contained much higher levels of CO2. So this scare tactic to get the masses to allow even greater levels of taxation is absurd. It is but an extension of the intent of Agenda 21, not real science, paid science to further enslave the masses.

Now when it comes to pollution, that is a man made phenomena. But nothing is being done about the pollution. And nothing will be done, in a constructive manner, about the pollution until the masses wake up and realize they are not the slaves. Then they can deny the actual servants the assumed power they have stolen from the people that have the true authority. Until then is just more of the same, red team vs blue team and nobody moving forward, just deeper into slavery.


You are missing the point as do others who decry science with cheesy politics & a simplistic view of "well it happened before we had cars" etc

the idea is to simply not throw off the earth's natural climate stages with man made pollutants. I don;t think anyone expects we will not pollute at all. But we do need to control it. If in fact the earth warms or cools let it be on it;s own glacial cycle with enough time for living things to adapt. Plus in the mean time I would like to live smog free, thank you (and so do my lungs)

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Fri 05/09/14 07:11 AM
We could cut carbon dioxide emissions in half if, all liberals would just quit breathing.

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Fri 05/09/14 07:57 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 05/09/14 08:16 AM

The only real climate change disaster is politicians thinking they can regulate and manipulate Mother Nature as easily as they can the people.

It was NEVER about climate change! It's about a "cap and trade" tax to bilk the people out of yet more money and further their control by regulating even the air we breathe!

What next? Pay toilets in your home next to the surveillance cameras?

The fluoride in the water supply seems to be working! People sure are getting..... stooooooooopid slaphead

The discussion never approaches a reference to corporate pollution and crony capitalism at all..... it's ALWAYS the peoples fault!

There is no valid science on climate change unless your talking cycles or the influence the Sun and Moon have on the Earth!

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Fri 05/09/14 10:56 AM




With all due respect, this planet has been around for 4 and a half billion years and it has done far more to itself than man could ever dream of doing.

Yet it survives..


Humans can do NOTHING to stop natural changes in climate..



I guess it depends on what our basic beliefs are. Me personally, I don't believe the world has been around anywhere near that long. And if it's changing as quickly as it has been in the last few decades simply due to natural progression, then we humans better be preparing for shelter on another planet or space stations because this earth will burn itself out on its own before too much longer, the way things are going.

On the other hand, if we humans are contributing to the earth's and our own demise on it by how we pollute the air, oceans, even the food we eat, then there are reasonable steps we can take in the early stages to counteract things. IMO.



Belief or not a belief is immaterial as natural law can't be changed by the belief of man. This earth at times has an elliptical orbit and other times a circular orbit around the sun. Whether man believes or not is immaterial, it is a natural law and immutable.

At times the sun is very active, lots of solar flares, other times it is quite, with little to no flares. Whether man believes or not is immaterial, it is a natural law and immutable.

The results of the suns activity and the earth's orbit around the sun leads to periods of the earth warming up or cooling down. Whether man believes or not is immaterial, it is immutable.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere is actually low compared to other times in history. In fact during some of earth's colder periods, the atmosphere has actually contained much higher levels of CO2. So this scare tactic to get the masses to allow even greater levels of taxation is absurd. It is but an extension of the intent of Agenda 21, not real science, paid science to further enslave the masses.

Now when it comes to pollution, that is a man made phenomena. But nothing is being done about the pollution. And nothing will be done, in a constructive manner, about the pollution until the masses wake up and realize they are not the slaves. Then they can deny the actual servants the assumed power they have stolen from the people that have the true authority. Until then is just more of the same, red team vs blue team and nobody moving forward, just deeper into slavery.


You are missing the point as do others who decry science with cheesy politics & a simplistic view of "well it happened before we had cars" etc

the idea is to simply not throw off the earth's natural climate stages with man made pollutants. I don;t think anyone expects we will not pollute at all. But we do need to control it. If in fact the earth warms or cools let it be on it;s own glacial cycle with enough time for living things to adapt. Plus in the mean time I would like to live smog free, thank you (and so do my lungs)


The historical record is hardly a simplistic view.

Basing the "hottest this or coldest that" on the last 150 years and ignoring the previous 4.5 billion is hardly proof positive of anything.

There is a difference between theoretical science ie the modeling and statistical analysis of known data.

In manufacturing we use the sequential probability ratio for QC.

You take what is an acceptable failure percentage and the desired failure percentage run your tests and find where the group of items falls.

If you have 100 pieces and you want the indifference region to be between 1% desired and 3% acceptable and you only run 1 piece, can you honestly say that you can with certainty know that the entire group falls within the IR?

I don't think so..

Then you take that number and use it as a data point. Let's say that you do that 100 times and 98 percent of the pieces pass and 2 fail.

That number falls into the IR, but you have only tested 100 out of 10,000 possible pieces.

You print out a few nice control charts and show that based on your data you can accurately predict what will happen in the future.


That is what the "science" of climate change modeling does..

It predicts the theoretical future based on the last 150 years..



I love watching Bill Nye the spokesman for the alarmist crowd constantly babbling about the co2 levels in 1750..

What he doesn't tell you is that in 1750 there was no accurate world wide temperature collection.

Without that data it is not possible to prove that a lower co2 level in 1750 had any correlation to the average worldwide temperature or the trending that occurred until 1850.

In order to do a correlation/regression statistical analysis you need both data points.


In conclusion..

I don't work for an oil company nor do I have any political purpose for posting my opposition to the so called scientific consensus on man made climate change.


Setting us on a path of irrevocable financial distress and unimaginable hardship for the worlds poorest based on theoretical modeling for monetary benefit is the definition of crimes against humanity..













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Sun 05/11/14 12:44 AM
White House: Climate Change Will Get Worse

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NayfbBGCXdw

Indigenous people worldwide are expressing their views.

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Sun 05/11/14 11:17 AM
Edited by alnewman on Sun 05/11/14 11:18 AM



The fact is that I know more about Global Warming than any could guess. I, in my tenure at NASA have dealt directly with the acquisition of data and had lunch with many of those who have done the studies. It wasn't my area of expertise but since I was traveling all over the world observing ice packs, glaciers, and snow caps in the winter (both hemispheres)and the reductions in the coral reefs and fish in the ocean by scuba, I had lots to talk about when I returned and sometimes before I left.

A main problem is that the facts get twisted to suit whatever political agenda someone is pushing. Al Gore had some facts but used them to push a bologna agenda. The "carbon tax credit" solution was always set up to be just another way to shift income from the "rich countries" to the "poor countries". It wasn't really expected to do much to reduce the amount of global warming caused by man. However, the fact is that man has released enough carbon dioxide and other global warming gases to significantly speed the warming of the planet far faster than what would happen naturally if the historic cycles were predictive.

The fact is that the oil companies have done an excellent job of buying misinformation to sell to the public that the whole problem is a hoax. It is not. It just isn't what some (mostly left wing) alarmists sell it to be.

It is a problem, It does cause instability in the atmosphere that caused new highs and lows in temperatures and give storms systems additional energy to have bigger tornadoes, more frequent snowstorms, larger hurricanes, longer lasting droughts and more extensive flooding. In other words, it causes exactly the types of unusual weather patterns we have been experiencing for recent years.

A major solution to the production of greenhouse gases would be the addition of new nuclear power plants which have safe designs and would feed our new electricity needs for years ... but there is too much false information out there to make it happen.

The technology has existed for years to run our cars on CNG (compressed natural gas) but the oil companies and the US government don't want that to happen since it would eliminate the need to import oil (which makes the oil companies a lot of money) and would take the US out of the "petrodollar" standard which now supports the value of the US dollar.

Honda, thinking the US would do the logical thing by expanding the availability of CNG nationwide in face of huge increases in oil prices, started mass producing the CNG Honda Civic ... and no one bought it due to no infrastructure... which is pretty stupid of the US since natural gas is available everywhere.

A CNG plug-in hybrid car would pretty much take care of the human addition to global warming if combined with nuke based electricity and widespread use.

http://ngvsolutions-px.rtrk.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=RL

Europe is in deep chit when the source of their fresh water is gone which may not be that far into the future.


From Wiki: Glaciers

Glaciers are noted as a vital water source due to their contribution to stream flow. Rising global temperatures have noticeable effects on the rate at which glaciers are melting, causing glaciers in general to shrink worldwide.[54] Although the meltwater from these glaciers are increasing the total water supply for the present, the disappearance of glaciers in the long term will diminish available water resources. Increased meltwater due to rising global temperatures can also have negative effects such as flooding of lakes and dams and catastrophic results.

I could write a book.


Fiction!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW1FsIA_G-4&index=4&list=WL

Geologist Informs UK Gov On Climate Change "Lies" Global Warming is a FRAUD=UN agenda21.

But then he is only a Geologist, what would he know?





You obviously don't know any science and you have an agenda based on political views. You wouldn't recognize real science if it hit you in the face. There is a reason all legitimate science organizations understand global warming ... if not the recommendations some make due to it's effects.

I have been posting real science on Mingle for years. If you understood any of this topic, you would see how your "geologist" is using a straw man argument to push an agenda... just like you do.

Finding a youtube crackpot is not proof. It just shows you are not serious about learning anything. For whatever other problems NASA has, it's Earth science group has done excellent work.

With all due respect, your posts make you look like a moron.


Their is no global warming, never has been. It is a natural occurance based on the sun's activity and the orbit of the planet. And I would suggest that in recognizing real science you check your premises, they are in error. And the real science organizations, those not in control and bought by the UN, the US or European governments say so. It is only those with an agenda that keep claiming global warming and it is the idiots that haven't a clue that support them.

And political view, my political view is the total termination of politicians and any matter political. I live within nature and support natural laws they say there is not enough CO2 in the atmosphere, my plants need all they can get to grow properly as they are carbon based and must have the carbon. And as a benefit to me, they provide the oxygen I need.

But then there are a whole bunch of political idiots in this world of which a vast percentage have found their way to not only this forum but all the forums around the world. Even that idiot Romney got one thing right, 47% of the population is hopeless. And I say leave them to their own devices and they will receive their just rewards, just keep the fires down at the crematorium going, they will be well fed.

And as to your claim of posting "real" science, it is just that a claim invalidated by the false accusations of Al "I am stupid but the masses are even less endowed" Gore. A science he discovered right after he invented the internet. If you ever want to know the truth, just follow the money. Money that in this case makes CO2 emissions ok so long as you pay a tax, not that there be solutions, just that someone pay some sort of extortion. So I would suggest that before you call someone a crackpot while supporting the real crackpots, that you check your premises, they are in error. And just to make myself perfectly clear, just show one source that is not government (especially US, UN or UK, the idiotic "U(s)" of the world) or government supported NGOs that support the global warming claim.

You can't, because it doesn't exist. In fact the earth has now entered a cooling cycle that will continue for quite some time

And in total disrespect, I would suggest that before you deem someone a moron you should get a grip and face reality as you haven't a clue. A moron is a physical handicap whereas the brain does not work properly. And to degrade their unfortunate situation to some sort of slur demonstrates the highest level of ignorance (the ignoring of facts that are available to be known). But then to assume that someone would take you serious about the false accusations on global warming is just pure asinine.

And oh yes, I typed "global cooling" into google and guess what was at the top of the list: NASA Earth Observatory: Earth is Cooling...No It's Warming.

But here is one for you: OSS Foundation: Global Warming Natural Cycle

And that title is very misleading, but the real issue are all the graphs that show sets of data over time but verbiage that claim an opposite and just why would that be. Nothing to do with their source of funding would it?

Microsoft Forms OSS Foundation Hey don't they also fund common core? Aren't these two of the core agendas of Agenda 21.

So keep spouting crap but don't expect other than the totally uninformed and indoctrinated idiots to follow along.

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Sun 05/11/14 11:27 AM

It has been so cold this spring, even here in Ohio, that it is difficult to worry about global warming right now. Also we are doing OK at improving on carbon emmissions...not great, but OK. The more we continue to improve on that scale the less likely the problem. But I would not think it wise to take an extreme position either way. Obviously there is enough good science to influence our environmental policy to take some measures, though not extreme (thankfully)


Well we are in a temporary period of cooling, 20 to 30 years long as we retreat into the next ice age.


The natural cycle that people refer to regarding large scale climate change is the time between ice ages and warm periods. The long cycle time is about 100,000 years. We can spend around 20% of the cycle in an interglacial and around 80% in an ice age, depending on where we are in these cycle influences.


Wow, 80,000 years of cold and 20,000 years of cold and we are starting the decent into that 80,000 year cycle. And if you want to lower the CO2 levels, plant some trees and quit cutting them all down and paving everything or you could just follow the other axiom of lowering CO2, quit breathing.

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Sun 05/11/14 11:30 AM

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Sun 05/11/14 11:40 AM

You are missing the point as do others who decry science with cheesy politics & a simplistic view of "well it happened before we had cars" etc

the idea is to simply not throw off the earth's natural climate stages with man made pollutants. I don;t think anyone expects we will not pollute at all. But we do need to control it. If in fact the earth warms or cools let it be on it;s own glacial cycle with enough time for living things to adapt. Plus in the mean time I would like to live smog free, thank you (and so do my lungs)


Actually something I would totally agree with you on. In fact beyond just agreeing, supporting.

CO2 is not the issue, every living thing on this planet is carbon based. As a balance to the carbon, there are plants that derive their carbon from breaking down CO2, carbon for their growth and oxygen for the breathing species. And the breathing species in turn take in the oxygen, mix it with carbon and releases CO2. The entire cycle of life in all it's forms on earth.

But it is the pollutants that man has released upon this earth that is causing the problems. Outside the cycle of life, every living thing requires water. That is starting to become the scarce resource, not the water itself but water in a useable form that supports life.

And if you really want to understand the basis of the problem, look at the natural law of composting to rid the planet of waste and recovering vital nutrients as compared to man's solution.

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Sun 05/11/14 11:45 AM


The only real climate change disaster is politicians thinking they can regulate and manipulate Mother Nature as easily as they can the people.

It was NEVER about climate change! It's about a "cap and trade" tax to bilk the people out of yet more money and further their control by regulating even the air we breathe!

What next? Pay toilets in your home next to the surveillance cameras?

The fluoride in the water supply seems to be working! People sure are getting..... stooooooooopid slaphead

The discussion never approaches a reference to corporate pollution and crony capitalism at all..... it's ALWAYS the peoples fault!

There is no valid science on climate change unless your talking cycles or the influence the Sun and Moon have on the Earth!


Not just fluoride in the water but in the toothpaste and then let's not forget the mercury in the vaccines, you know those shots that used to prevent some diseases but now, are they causing them? What better way to control the population than to convince them to get a dose of a disease to prevent getting the disease and of course you have to use a mercury derivative to help preserve the vaccine ignoring of course the dangerous effect on humans, especially the very young.

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Sun 05/11/14 11:52 AM

The historical record is hardly a simplistic view.

Basing the "hottest this or coldest that" on the last 150 years and ignoring the previous 4.5 billion is hardly proof positive of anything.

There is a difference between theoretical science ie the modeling and statistical analysis of known data.

In manufacturing we use the sequential probability ratio for QC.

You take what is an acceptable failure percentage and the desired failure percentage run your tests and find where the group of items falls.

If you have 100 pieces and you want the indifference region to be between 1% desired and 3% acceptable and you only run 1 piece, can you honestly say that you can with certainty know that the entire group falls within the IR?

I don't think so..

Then you take that number and use it as a data point. Let's say that you do that 100 times and 98 percent of the pieces pass and 2 fail.

That number falls into the IR, but you have only tested 100 out of 10,000 possible pieces.

You print out a few nice control charts and show that based on your data you can accurately predict what will happen in the future.


That is what the "science" of climate change modeling does..

It predicts the theoretical future based on the last 150 years..



I love watching Bill Nye the spokesman for the alarmist crowd constantly babbling about the co2 levels in 1750..

What he doesn't tell you is that in 1750 there was no accurate world wide temperature collection.

Without that data it is not possible to prove that a lower co2 level in 1750 had any correlation to the average worldwide temperature or the trending that occurred until 1850.

In order to do a correlation/regression statistical analysis you need both data points.


In conclusion..

I don't work for an oil company nor do I have any political purpose for posting my opposition to the so called scientific consensus on man made climate change.


Setting us on a path of irrevocable financial distress and unimaginable hardship for the worlds poorest based on theoretical modeling for monetary benefit is the definition of crimes against humanity..


And I would say that analysis pretty much explains things in a nutshell, all wrapped up. With most refusing to accept responsibility for their actions, it seems to be an easy matter to instill any belief in the people by appealing to their base fears. I mean just look at how easy the "government" (really bad word, translates to "mind control") has convinced the masses they live in a democracy and that the "servants" have "authority" over the masters.

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Sun 05/11/14 12:14 PM

White House: Climate Change Will Get Worse

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NayfbBGCXdw

Indigenous people worldwide are expressing their views.


Another idiotic view by another idiot that hasn't been around long enough to even experience even on of the 20 to 40 year cycles of warming and cooling much less the intelligence to research the 100,000 year cycles and equate just where we are in the cycles. Does one need to wonder just where he gets his funding for all this running around, selling videos of his adventures? Doubt it.

Starting off with "tribes' not being able to grow rice because it's too warm, really. Then just why can the Vietnamese grow rice in temperatures approaching 120 degrees F. There was rice everywhere and people were well fed, some even had fish to go with their rice. And last I looked, rice patties have to be flooded as just how is there too much water?

Seem to be the same in Thailand which is just as hot, I mean 110 degrees F in December and that Jasmine Rice is my favorite. And by the way, the watermelon, papaya, mango, pineapple and other fruits were the sweetest I have ever tasted.

And then imagine, cycles of flood and drought being something new. But then his mission is "global sustainability", the agenda of UN Agenda 21 so I guess that explains the funding.

And then presented by CNN, miracle they had time what with Flight 370 still missing. But if it weren't for MSNBC, CNN could get higher up Washington's hind-side.

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Kid must be preschool before the indoctrination system called common core got it's hooks on him. Now if this kid were to reside in that great "democracy" of California, he is probably in foster care and under the remedial education regime.

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Sun 05/11/14 01:48 PM
Red News, Blue News: Climate Change

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YmsmOYC1JE

Don't question either side if you want something from them?

Okay, that's one way to look everything as it all comes crashing down around us... laugh

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Sun 05/11/14 03:13 PM

Red News, Blue News: Climate Change

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YmsmOYC1JE

Don't question either side if you want something from them?

Okay, that's one way to look everything as it all comes crashing down around us... laugh


This thread keeps going from bad to worse. Just imagine CNN calling others liberal, that is golden.

But I saw this thing here recently about the politicians having to wear jackets with their sponsorship patches on it like NASCAR. Well I believe that should extend to the media and their purported experts on various topics.

Just imagine the value of one being told how great GMO goodies are while sporting Monsanto and DuPont patches.

And CNN, owned by Ted Turner and Times Warner sure instills my confidence at being impartial. Wonder when they are going to find Flight 370?

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Mon 05/12/14 01:29 PM
An 'Unstoppable,' Cataclysmic Glacier Meltdown is Already Underway

www.theverge.com/2014/5/12/5710314/an-unstoppable-cataclysmic-glacier-meltdown-is-already-underway