Mom and Pop have to not only pay minimum wage, they have to pay SS, pay into the unemployment fund,etc.,etc.

Perhaps, experience in owning a business and hiring a couple workers might enlighten you.

I really have to wonder why some who choose not to be a part of the labor force even care what wages are paid. Long as wailfur pays, all is good, no?

yep, except SS is taken from what the employee earned,,,where the employee is concerned , so their ss comes from the percentage of what they personally earned like everyone else

and , since they aren't having to pay minimum wage its irrelevant to the conversation ABOUT minimum wage in relation to mum and pop (when they have sales than half a mill per year, not a bad amount of sales)

I wonder why those who aren't black even care what blacks do, or those who aren't female care what females do, or those who aren't American care about what americans do,,,

oh ,wait, no I don't, because I kind of AKNOWLEDGE no one is living in a vacuum and peoples actions directly and indirectly are tied to each other in some way, tied to the community in which they must live TOGETHER,,,

So now if minimum wage was set to be lets say 5.00 an hour and the

cost of living continues to go up and up and minimum wage hasn't

risen to accommodate ..then minimum wage has just become less than

minimum wage...So now look at how many times minimum wage wasn't

increased and how long it went before it was increased and tell me

that the cost of living didn't go up during these extended

periods..there again minimum wage is not what minimum wage should be

..so it's not even minimum wage anymore..

the problem with this premise is that the gov't inflates real pay with aide when people do not earn enough to realistically live on and that costs me money. I would rather see employers required to pay a realistic wage, maybe even a scaled minimum based on ones educational accomplishments.

Supported by:

use of any illegal workers with fines so large they are actually punitive and automatic boycotts advertised (some how get the word out to customers that the company was caught using illegals and asking them to stop buying there)with the money from the fines going to support entitlement programs that American citizens are on because they lost jobs to illegals or HB-1 Visas

All HB-1 Visas contingent on an employer PROVING that they could not hire an American worker at at least the minimum wage for the required educational level. (or some other measure of market value like emplyment.com)

I actually read some AZZ*ole today who commented that Americans were too stuck on their nationality as a reason to be employed and that we need to quite whining and get the proper credentials. What an idiot. Many many Americans have the proper credentials...probably better suited that HB-1s who do not know our culture well.

Our gov't should be required to hire citizens first on American soil regardless of the nationality of the company in the same way that we all responded to "buy American" when we were asked a few decades ago.

if foreign companies don't like it we can simply nationalize them.

The current law limits to 65,000 the number of foreign nationals who may be issued a visa or otherwise provided H-1B status each fiscal year (FY). Laws exempt up to 20,000 foreign nationals holding a master’s or higher degree from U.S. universities from the cap on H-1B visas.

Now little business do you think mom and pop stores do? If you are opened 300 days of the year (1 day closed plus holidays) and do only $200 in volume a day (very low) how much volume is your business doing? The govermnet classifies a small business as anything making less than $7 million. So yea minimum wage might not hurt someone with no employees running a shop in their house, but if they have enough volume to pay rent for a store and workers they are most likely pushing over 500k volume.

yep,do the Venezuela-Jig!

sigh,,,,


first, for government purposes, a small business is determined by the type of business, different types have different standards based upon either number of employers or revenue,, no BLANKET amount for all small business,,,

and


second a 'small business' is not the same as a 'mom and pop' business
depending upon industry a 'small business' can be netting millions

when I consider a 'mom and pop' store, I am thinking of the little consignment clothing store that ON A GOOD DAY makes 500 dollars in sale but most days is happy to pull in 200


all mom and pops are small business but not all small business is a mom and pop


as to your concern with rent and minimum wage.....

you can rent a space for as low as 500 per month for business space

at 200 per day that would STILL only be 60000 per year in sales

half a mill would be more like nearly 2000 a day in sales


I Have friends who own their own store, that would be a good/busy day for them,, and business has slow and busy days, not all or even most are gonna net a lot of sales EVERYDAY,,,,,especially considering what hours they stay open,,,,,

so IF I rented a space for 1400 a month and did have to pay 3 employees say 10 per hour to work 8 hours that's 240 per day or 72000 per year, plus the rent would be a total of 89000 per year out of that required 500000 in sales

still leaving over 400000

Free?
Not for College or University!
Problem is,that many people really have no use for a College-or University-Degree,and it's simply a matter of prestige,and an expensive one at that!

Once upon a time, the Swiss were know for superb educational programs. Their universities were highly placed in the realm of education. But some papers that I have read of late, does not bode well for that reputation.

The US was taken over many years ago to turn out robots for industry. They were indoctrinated to be good little employees and to serve specialized functions, not great functions but sort of like the grease that keeps the machinery rolling.

Sort of like the British education system that I was introduced to back in the mid-seventies. The one that made one take a serious look at the US system and doubt it's benefits. But alas, that British system has gone the way of the American one, now just trains human robots for industry.

But here is one of the papers that I spoke of, have you seen this? Just what sphere of influence has it had on the Swiss education system?

A complex systems approach to education in Switzerland

I haven't gotten much past the part: "Issues to be Addressed", but then I have read a huge portion of Agenda 21 and will complete Agenda 21 first, seems that coming back to read the other document may be redundant.

Total BS. There is not a single realistic statement anywhere in this.

First, just where did you come up with the lead statement on small business? Any clue? Let me help, start with Title 26, US code, it's defined very explicitly, as tax code.

And how does your little consignment store work? First, it's consignment which means someone else gets a cut for their ownership of the goods, normally at best case a 50/50 split. So let's say they are open 6 days a week and on average with good and bad days they average $300 a day, that would be $1800 in revenue with $900 in cost leaving a gross margin of $900.

Now let's say we accept your $500 a month for rent, that equates on a weekly basis of $115, now leaving $785. Now let's not forget the electric, water and sewage, lets just say $30 a week, and let's not forget about the insurance mandated by a landlord and his insurance company, another $25 a week and we have a net of $735 and we haven't even mentioned workers comp and unemployment nor those pesky local government bureaucrats wanting their cut. Still, that means a seemingly good earnings but is it really? Probably 12 hour days, 6 days a week and definitely not overtime, real earnings: $10.21 a hour.

But whoa don't go on any spending spree, here comes the IRS wanting 14.2% for FICA and Medicare, oh yes as self employed you pay the full boat, $104 and then federal income tax starting at 15%, another $110. And then you make way too much for subsidized medical, so even though we know it isn't really true, let's except the average cost of Odumbocare at $328 per month, that is still $75 leaving $446 take home pay.

And at $2000 a day with 3 employees, the expenses start going through the roof. And I have family and friends that run businesses in the $1 to $1.5 million in revenue. Their average salaries are little more than their best paid employee and at the end of the year their net after taxes are generally between 3 to 5 percent of revenue, not even doubling their salary.

So the picture is not the pretty scene you pretend exists. I would say more like never been there, never done that.

Total BS. There is not a single realistic statement anywhere in this.

First, just where did you come up with the lead statement on small business? Any clue? Let me help, start with Title 26, US code, it's defined very explicitly, as tax code.

And how does your little consignment store work? First, it's consignment which means someone else gets a cut for their ownership of the goods, normally at best case a 50/50 split. So let's say they are open 6 days a week and on average with good and bad days they average $300 a day, that would be $1800 in revenue with $900 in cost leaving a gross margin of $900.

Now let's say we accept your $500 a month for rent, that equates on a weekly basis of $115, now leaving $785. Now let's not forget the electric, water and sewage, lets just say $30 a week, and let's not forget about the insurance mandated by a landlord and his insurance company, another $25 a week and we have a net of $735 and we haven't even mentioned workers comp and unemployment nor those pesky local government bureaucrats wanting their cut. Still, that means a seemingly good earnings but is it really? Probably 12 hour days, 6 days a week and definitely not overtime, real earnings: $10.21 a hour.

But whoa don't go on any spending spree, here comes the IRS wanting 14.2% for FICA and Medicare, oh yes as self employed you pay the full boat, $104 and then federal income tax starting at 15%, another $110. And then you make way too much for subsidized medical, so even though we know it isn't really true, let's except the average cost of Odumbocare at $328 per month, that is still $75 leaving $446 take home pay.

And at $2000 a day with 3 employees, the expenses start going through the roof. And I have family and friends that run businesses in the $1 to $1.5 million in revenue. Their average salaries are little more than their best paid employee and at the end of the year their net after taxes are generally between 3 to 5 percent of revenue, not even doubling their salary.

So the picture is not the pretty scene you pretend exists. I would say more like never been there, never done that.

I would say the same about you, "never been there, never done that" but you are a very successful troll, i'll give you that.

the point was the min wage was only applicable for those making SALES of 500000 or more per year,,,,

there are different types of businesses that aren't all corporations,, which title 26 deals with,,,,


,,,,I have 'family' too who run businesses or were responsible for the finances of businesses netting hundreds of thousands or millions,, and they could still afford to pay people a living wage,,,,,


its called making a business plan that works,,,,,

isaac,

I realize that you are trying to fight ad hominem with ad hominem, but I wish that you wouldn't because doing so makes you look bad, and it doesn't really work.

supply and demand

cigarettes are addicting, I doubt even a rise in price reduces how much people smoke

money is necessary, employers need both employees and custmers to make money

paying employees competitive wages (wages which meet THEIR monetary need) makes sense so that people earn more and have more money to spend which in turn maintains the profits needed to pay the higher wages,,,etc,,etc,,,