I'll say it again..... I don't agree with most of PCRs diatribes, but many of his points, aside from his personal adlibs, do ring true.

Why War Is Inevitable - Paul Craig Roberts

Memorial Day is when we commemorate our war dead. Like the Fourth of July, Memorial Day is being turned into a celebration of war.

Those who lose family members and dear friends to war don'��t want the deaths to have been in vain. Consequently, wars become glorious deeds performed by noble soldiers fighting for truth, justice, and the American way. Patriotic speeches tell us how much we owe to those who gave their lives so that America could remain free.

The speeches are well-intentioned, but the speeches create a false reality that supports ever more wars. None of America's wars had anything to do with keeping America free. To the contrary, the wars swept away our civil liberties, making us unfree.

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http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/25/war-inevitable-paul-craig-roberts/

Interesting!!! While he was a part of the Reagan debacle and part of government, I have found a lot of his different interviews and presentments to be a refreshing breath of fresh air compared to the vast majority bulldung that is just an effort to sell their latest book. However he does have his shortcomings, to start with this very same article.

His whole supposition is one the rogue acts of the US and Israel as the total sum game, failing to even mentioning the British. Even before 1812, certain elements of this new country has been in collusion to break the will of the people and establish the dominance of the elitist class. Between the British and the US it has always been a case of whether the dog wags the tail or the tail wags the dog, the fact remaining they are inseparable.

If we start with the myth that these united States won independence from the crown of England, things become a little clearer. First, the French had joined to assist the colonies against it's arch enemies, the British. But then in 1779, Spain declared War against the British, and Netherlands was also involved.

So why would the king be concerned with these little piss ant colonies when he had his two biggest enemies knocking on his door. And besides, he still had a large contingent of Royalist remaining in the colonies, led by Hamilton, that it was of no concern to let them pretend to be a free nation. This is what the anti-federalist were screaming about.

And then the War of 1812, again a little hole in the wall defeats one of the greatest military powers, not really. My contention is that the war was to bring back in line certain elements here in the US that were starting to make headway against the Royalist. It was, is and always will be about the bankers and the demand for central banks, all under control by that little enclave called the "City of London", no not the proper city but the equivalent of "Wall Street" but much more sinister, the home of Rothschild, the most successful of the Rothschilds of Germany, the Israel connection.

Beware ad hominem attack, danger.

Another sum total and to be expected but don't let it worry you. You can go back to sleep.

It all comes down to the appointment of Columbus as Governor of ALL "new" lands and Admiral of the Seas in service to the Queen.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/15th_century/colum.asp

I was looking for an article from the law review which better explained the succession of US Royalty to the presidency and other offices of power, and their ancestry to the Queen..... why your vote will NEVER matter in this process, the roots of the Federal Reserve and its obligations to the Vatican, the Bank of England (World Bank), and its purpose.

I will continue to look for it, but this is the closest one I have found in my search to this point.

This is brilliant..

You must have worked on this gem of a conspiracy theory for about 30 seconds..

It's hot outside today.. The Illuminati must be having a meeting..


This is the true entertainment for the masses...

The good old praecipe, actually a most useful form of document even to this day, it is something the government pretends doesn't exist as it is how a free man commands his environment.

But I don't agree that the appointment of Christopher Columbus as Admiral, Vice-Roy and Governor as the major issue. Actually Columbus was a conspiracy theorist of his day, after all the earth was flat and he was supposed to fall off the edge.

And secondly, "FERDINAND and ELIZABETH, by the Grace of God, King and Queen of Castile", were from Spain, the colonies ended up being British.

The issue was that so many of the colonist "escaped" to the new world to rid themselves of the tyranny of the king. They looked forward to being free men, going back to the Anglo-Saxon days.

Now, more than two and a half centuries later, they were in worse shape than when they left England. The king has removed all their representation and reduced them to little more than slave colonies. All attempts for the redress of grievances were not just ignored but expanded.

From here is from memory as google did a number on my Domain Name Service until I stop and reboot, but anyway, the revolution was started by the decision of about 17% of the population. But unlike today, a large portion of the other 83% weren't brain dead and joined the armed conflict.

But here is an article I had already pulled up about Hamilton and Jefferson, two people that were very much opposed. Jefferson dominated at the time but even though he was killed in a dual during Jefferson's term as President, Hamilton has prevailed and here we are today. Hamilton was a devout Royalist.

Hamilton vs. Jefferson

Had to reboot anyway.....

Thank you, I though so, just wished another had that ability, to think that is. Also, thank you for reminding me, I need to get together with the enlightened. Don't use Illuminati anymore, the idiots have destroyed the concept as put forward by Solomon. The meaning of Illuminati has been hijacked by the brain dead. Aren't they your idols?

And I know you totally reject the meaning of Illuminati, you demonstrate it at every opportunity. For example, it also seems you have little knowledge about the masses. To actually profess that they would find anything requiring one to think as entertaining, doesn't say much for skills of understanding or comprehending.

Wow, with such revelations as this one could almost assume an indoctrination level almost all the way to a Masters certification, what happened, quit or couldn't cut the mustard?

Conspiracy theories like the illuminati are a distraction welcomed to those who can't face the truth. The culprit in human despair isn't the Illuminati, or the Bilderbergs, or the Rothschilds, or the Freemasons, or the Zionists, or the Satanists, or the Jesuits, or anything resembling those. It's easy to believe it's one of those, because in your subconscious you are thinking, "Well if the _______ is revealed as the controllers of the world and if we depose them, the world will go back to being sunshine and rainbows and perfection!"
The reality is that it is never going to happen like that. Conspiracy theories, like voting, only show that people still place blind faith in the "right" person in authority instead if the "wrong" person. Either way, people who believe this refuse to see that it is and has always been the State that oppresses people. It is the nature of government itself to oppress.


Daniel Hawkins (High-Schooler)


seems this young Fellow has more sense in his left little Toe,than many Grown-ups believing the most outrageous Tales!
FYI,there were never any Unicorns farting Rainbows on this Planet!

While this is off topic, the discussion is about Paul Craig Roberts and his commemorative on War. The Illuminati part is but a diversion on this discussion as the only challenge to the discussion.

But to reply to your ill conceived notion, it would seem that neither of you have a little left toe. The distraction is not the conspiracy theories, but the distraction of trying to ignore and bring to light the causation of what is happening right out in the open. Instead of having honest and open discussions, it seems every effort is applied to keep that discussion from happening. As we look back through history, many of the declared conspiracy theories have been revealed as conspiracy facts, so why do so many idiots still deny reality?

Perhaps if one were to spend more time studying history instead of fiction, one would be illuminated, understand the real realm of Illuminati, the enlightened.

War is inevitable because the United States hasn't been at peacetime military production since 1940.

Materiel war production was used to become the dominant force alongside the Soviets by the end of WW2, and then the Cold War continued this perpetual military arm up for the next forty years.

But then you never stopped. The Soviets collapsed in 1990 and experienced a period of military delapidation which left the US the primary world superpower, but the United States just didn't stop the military arm up, as if still preparing for war.

International policing actions then a framed argument of 'war on terror' later and you've managed to force the CIS to simply become the old Soviet Union militarily again, and pushed China and India to concentrate on military arm up for the last twenty five years since the Soviet collapse when everything basically should've been okay, the world at peace and we could all have rested easy.

It's like when Germany was rearming in the thirties. France and Britain had to follow suit, because when you arm up for war, you're going to war.

Now the US has been playing the role of interwar Germany for the last 25 years. You've been arming up for war. China had to steal Flanker production and India had to license produce newer MiGs taking over from where the Soviets left off in technological development, eg. HAL MiG-35 is more advanced than last Russian MiG-29, and their Flankers are newer 3.5 Gen with vectoring thrust; meanwhile China bought Russia's obsolete ASW carriers and redecked them for fixed wing operation (like the Admiral Kuznetsov).

They're basically playing the role of Britain and France to your Germany from their point of view.

And now by the 21st century the CIS (based in the Kremlin, so obviously pro-Russian), has had to recreate the soviet military war machine by any means, like the current Ukrainian issue, the previous war in Georgia, these are the old soviet military frontiers and production centres.

If the US had called it quits on military arm up during the 90s, the Russian military degeneration would've been no major issue, puppeterring Georgia wouldn't have been necessary from '98-'03 and this situation in Ukraine wouldn't have had to involve military invasion now. But the Pentagon is still playing military hedgemony all around the Black Sea strategic region (ie. asia minor through the middle east and the balkan states through the mediterranean), and those boots on the ground is exactly like putting missiles in Cuba, they don't care if you tell your people it's a war on terror and the enemy is some afghani hermits you're all scared of, they see with their eyes what you're really doing, what the pentagon is really doing.

Through the 1990s the Russians managed only to replace obsolete helicopters in their much reduced armies, the bulk of the CIS experienced a schizm, half their surplus was lost outright to panicked black marketeering, the rest wound up in the hands of rogues and independents. It was only at the end of the 90s the Kremlin even managed to bring any centralization back to the eastern region defence network.
But their standing army, air force, navy, it just got left to rot for the entire decade.

During that time the US commissioned whole new supercarrier battlegroups.

You've been arming up for war for half a century. It is ingrained in the American culture by now and I don't think you can function without doing so anymore.
But you're still doing it, and when you're the instigator of arming up for war you're obviously intent on going to war.
The economy requires it. Can't afford military dominance unless it is also economic dominance. That's how the soviets collapsed, it's how Germany didn't. To pay for the big arm up, you need to invade. You have to go to war to afford a wartime economy.

That's why war is inevitable. You intend it.

Heck of a technical presentment on the symptoms and armaments of warfare, but it is just that, the symptoms manifested by the effects readily seen in this world today by any but the most ignorant.

But this thread is based on an article by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on the causation of inevitable war. His contention started with a partial history of the united States coupled with the compact between the US and Israel.

My contention is that his theory is half baked and he did not consider all the factors that stretch back to before these united States were ever formed and has as it core, the British. But even then, not the "real" British based on the fact of Anglo-Saxon ancestership, but the conquering force of the Normans in 1066 continued to this day by the House of Stuart.

So to sit and talk about guns and bullets is equivalent to cutting off ones head because the hat didn't fit, doesn't fix anything but addressed the symptom.

Let me put it this way, same point.

The US1990Y$1,000-million spent on technology development alone (not including aircraft development cost or unit cost or deployment cost), that wound up in the F117 was recuperated by invading Iraq.

That's how it works.
Now just follow the bouncing ball from there.

Next thing Craig tells us that the Sun rises,because the Cock crows!
It's the Policies of the last one-and-a-quarter Centuries that cause the Wars,and the Fact that the US brought home the very Philosophy they went off to fight,not the martial Speeches of the Armchair-Generals at sundry Memorial-day Venues!
Something the Conspiracy-Theorists like him and others duly hide even from themselves!
But at least they provide us with never-ending amusement!
Need a chuckle now and then in this world!

You'd do well to study some of Rand's and others non-fiction writings,seems you are caught in a deep rut!

Good luck fighting a Trillion-Dollar Warmachine with your Constitution!

What you are saying is fact, but it's not the same point, you are just speaking of the obvious, the symptoms and the effects. That little portrays the underlying causation, the real root of the problem, the theme of what the OP was all about.

So what your are saying is that if it can't be dealt with in some fictional writings, then the study of the here and now do not matter?

And sir, it is not I in the rut. It is not I that keeps referring everything back to the same fictional novel. And Ms Rand's non-fictional works are not much different that her novels, they both portray the same philosophy, men of the mind, to hide until that mind is recognized by a like kind. While her philosophy is commendable, her actions are deplorable.

And I don't propose to fight whatever sized war machine, that would be idiocy in motion. I also do not plan on becoming stupid and believe that any amount of effort will change the political structure, that is a self defeating effort.

There is a much more intelligent way to go, use their own system to completely undermine and destroy their infrastructure system and watch the whole mess collapse of it's own weight.

But then those that believe in democracy, any brand of democracy, can never conceive of freedom and the methodologies of freedom, much less the price one needs to be prepared to achieve it, so amply said by our founding fathers:



So you go ahead and go back to your fictional works, there is nothing to see here.

nobody is forced to fight.i got out of Vietnam war by sandpapering my feet.dont watch our news,dont work for military industrial complex. don't cooperate. don't buy things from them

nobody is forced to fight.i got out of Vietnam war by sandpapering my feet.dont watch our news,dont work for military industrial complex. don't cooperate. don't buy things from them

So you are one of the "draft" dodgers that I and my brothers in arms fought for, to give you the right to spit on us and call us baby killers after watching other brothers maimed/die, defending your right to do so.

Many of us enlisted, even if under false pretenses causing our involvement in Vietnam, feeling a sense of "duty" to the country we love. The wounds and scars many of us still carry..... it's nice to know you're so appreciative.

How honorable and patriotic..... and it appears age has not brought any wisdom......