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Topic: bible inconsistencies/ doesent mesh with the facts?
rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Wed 08/06/14 04:01 AM
From the Hebrew name מֹשֶׁה (Mosheh) which is most likely derived from Egyptian mes meaning "son", but could also possibly mean "deliver" in Hebrew. The meaning suggested in the Old Testament of "drew out" from Hebrew משה (mashah) is probably an invented etymology. Quite random there, does not address anything anyone has said, please stay on topic. These threads get off into left field to much as it is, or please explain the relevance of this comment to the thread in itself. Nobody even mentioned or referred to (Mosheh)The only name mentioned is Moses and that is egyptian origin. I am referencing your statement that Moses is an Egyptian name. How is a "Hebrew" name in reference to an "Egyptian" name/person, as Moses is an Egyptian name and your statement has no reference to "Moses". Moses wasn't Hebrew, he was a former Egyptian prince. Moses is derived from the Hebrew Mosheh; Perhaps you should read Moses and Monotheism by Freud as an introduction to the concept ill read the bible, not everything but the bible.., moses was raised as an egyption after he was found floating in the river nile as a baby. he was actually a hebrew however.

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Wed 08/06/14 04:05 AM
When a word exist with a certain meaning and then a story is later told with a person whose name is derived from that word and performs the function of that word; this is the usual formula for a made-up myth. Dinner, nap time and then work. In the meantime do your studies That's entirely perceptive, but ok. idle speculation. NEXT? [/quote No it is part of how one forensically examines a document; another give away is how later stories become more and more fantastical. This is almost like trying to argue science with a creationist who can't understand science but needs to prove what they believe. People believe what they need to, but upon examination and as per demographics- fundamentalism is on the decline. mabe but its still speculation, or mabe a theory would be a better choice of words on my part. mY COUSIN IS a professional tournament fisherman, and he is quite literate. MOSES WAS named by his "adopted mother", if you can call her that, who was egyptian, dont know what her reasoning was, dont care. its just a name.

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Wed 08/06/14 04:09 AM
When a word exist with a certain meaning and then a story is later told with a person whose name is derived from that word and performs the function of that word; this is the usual formula for a made-up myth. Dinner, nap time and then work. In the meantime do your studies That's entirely perceptive, but ok. idle speculation. NEXT? [/quote No it is part of how one forensically examines a document; another give away is how later stories become more and more fantastical. This is almost like trying to argue science with a creationist who can't understand science but needs to prove what they believe. People believe what they need to, but upon examination and as per demographics- fundamentalism is on the decline. mabe but its still speculation, or mabe a theory would be a better choice of words on my part. mY COUSIN IS a professional tournament fisherman, and he is quite literate. MOSES WAS named by his "adopted mother", if you can call her that, who was egyptian, dont know what her reasoning was, dont care. its just a name. I can see that you are very 'versed" in the bible if you will pardon the pun. not many people actually take time to read it themselves, rather, most seem to believe what others say, like thier pastor for example, and we all kknow how screwed up religions are.., so no wonder they are confused and eventually fall away.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Wed 08/06/14 04:28 PM
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul ... inquired not of the Lord: wherefore he slew him. I still haven't seen any "facts" being presented as the OP stated

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 08/07/14 10:41 AM
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul ... inquired not of the Lord: wherefore he slew him. I still haven't seen any "facts" being presented as the OP stated How is the an inconsistency or contradiction or anything? That's two different places, talking bout two different things, not even related to one another.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Thu 08/07/14 06:53 PM
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Thu 08/07/14 07:01 PM
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Fri 08/08/14 05:56 AM
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul ... inquired not of the Lord: wherefore he slew him. I still haven't seen any "facts" being presented as the OP stated How is the an inconsistency or contradiction or anything? That's two different places, talking bout two different things, not even related to one another. Even if you don't know what the verses refer to, you could always look them up- they both refer to the same thing- Saul and the witch of Endor prior to the battle with the Philistines

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Fri 08/08/14 06:42 AM
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/08/14 10:00 AM
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Not a contradiction, you're looking to hard now. Look it up if you do not believe me, but the words translated into that "I and my father are one" is in reference to spiritual, or conceptional as in your mother, your father, you, are all one. We refer that as family, but you are one in the concept of family. Hope that sheds a little understanding.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/08/14 10:06 AM
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul ... inquired not of the Lord: wherefore he slew him. I still haven't seen any "facts" being presented as the OP stated How is the an inconsistency or contradiction or anything? That's two different places, talking bout two different things, not even related to one another. Even if you don't know what the verses refer to, you could always look them up- they both refer to the same thing- Saul and the witch of Endor prior to the battle with the Philistines lol They couldn't possibly be talking about the same thing. In Chronicles Saul was slain for his sins, he died, there is no more Saul any longer walking the face of the Earth after that. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; 14 And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse. --------------- 1 Samuel 28:6 6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Saul is merely asking a question of the Lord and the Lord didn't reply. TWO different incidents, TWO different things all together.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Fri 08/08/14 10:23 AM
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul ... inquired not of the Lord: wherefore he slew him. I still haven't seen any "facts" being presented as the OP stated How is the an inconsistency or contradiction or anything? That's two different places, talking bout two different things, not even related to one another. Even if you don't know what the verses refer to, you could always look them up- they both refer to the same thing- Saul and the witch of Endor prior to the battle with the Philistines lol They couldn't possibly be talking about the same thing. In Chronicles Saul was slain for his sins, he died, there is no more Saul any longer walking the face of the Earth after that. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; 14 And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse. --------------- 1 Samuel 28:6 6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Saul is merely asking a question of the Lord and the Lord didn't reply. TWO different incidents, TWO different things all together. read the entire chapter: Samuel: Saul asks the Lord who doesn't reply, so he seeks out and asks Endor; Chronicles: Saul does not bother to ask the Lord and goes straight to Endor. Only one or the other can be true.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Fri 08/08/14 10:54 AM
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Not a contradiction, you're looking to hard now. Look it up if you do not believe me, but the words translated into that "I and my father are one" is in reference to spiritual, or conceptional as in your mother, your father, you, are all one. We refer that as family, but you are one in the concept of family. Hope that sheds a little understanding. Your answer generates more questions than it answers- so g-d the father is much greater than g-d the son- according to your reply. This BTW is the meaning of a contradiction

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/08/14 11:05 AM
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Not a contradiction, you're looking to hard now. Look it up if you do not believe me, but the words translated into that "I and my father are one" is in reference to spiritual, or conceptional as in your mother, your father, you, are all one. We refer that as family, but you are one in the concept of family. Hope that sheds a little understanding. Your answer generates more questions than it answers- so g-d the father is much greater than g-d the son- according to your reply. This BTW is the meaning of a contradiction How is it a contradiction? Jesus NEVER puts himself equal to the Father. John 14:28 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/08/14 11:11 AM
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul ... inquired not of the Lord: wherefore he slew him. I still haven't seen any "facts" being presented as the OP stated How is the an inconsistency or contradiction or anything? That's two different places, talking bout two different things, not even related to one another. Even if you don't know what the verses refer to, you could always look them up- they both refer to the same thing- Saul and the witch of Endor prior to the battle with the Philistines lol They couldn't possibly be talking about the same thing. In Chronicles Saul was slain for his sins, he died, there is no more Saul any longer walking the face of the Earth after that. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; 14 And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse. --------------- 1 Samuel 28:6 6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Saul is merely asking a question of the Lord and the Lord didn't reply. TWO different incidents, TWO different things all together. read the entire chapter: Samuel: Saul asks the Lord who doesn't reply, so he seeks out and asks Endor; Chronicles: Saul does not bother to ask the Lord and goes straight to Endor. Only one or the other can be true. You missed the point entirely my friend. The Chronicles verse(s) is not talking about the same thing the Samuel verse(s) is talking about. Different scenarios, different times. In one the Lord doesn't answer him, in the other one he is being slain by the Lord. TWO different things TWO different things of information. They ARE NOT talking about the same incident.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Fri 08/08/14 11:24 AM
1 Samuel 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 So Saul ... inquired not of the Lord: wherefore he slew him. I still haven't seen any "facts" being presented as the OP stated How is the an inconsistency or contradiction or anything? That's two different places, talking bout two different things, not even related to one another. Even if you don't know what the verses refer to, you could always look them up- they both refer to the same thing- Saul and the witch of Endor prior to the battle with the Philistines lol They couldn't possibly be talking about the same thing. In Chronicles Saul was slain for his sins, he died, there is no more Saul any longer walking the face of the Earth after that. 1 Chronicles 10:13-14 13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; 14 And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse. --------------- 1 Samuel 28:6 6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Saul is merely asking a question of the Lord and the Lord didn't reply. TWO different incidents, TWO different things all together. read the entire chapter: Samuel: Saul asks the Lord who doesn't reply, so he seeks out and asks Endor; Chronicles: Saul does not bother to ask the Lord and goes straight to Endor. Only one or the other can be true. You missed the point entirely my friend. The Chronicles verse(s) is not talking about the same thing the Samuel verse(s) is talking about. Different scenarios, different times. In one the Lord doesn't answer him, in the other one he is being slain by the Lord. TWO different things TWO different things of information. They ARE NOT talking about the same incident. Again the read the chapters: both occur right before his death- one g-d slays him; the other he is slain by the arrows of the Philistines; again either one or the other is true not both

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Fri 08/08/14 11:25 AM
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Not a contradiction, you're looking to hard now. Look it up if you do not believe me, but the words translated into that "I and my father are one" is in reference to spiritual, or conceptional as in your mother, your father, you, are all one. We refer that as family, but you are one in the concept of family. Hope that sheds a little understanding. Your answer generates more questions than it answers- so g-d the father is much greater than g-d the son- according to your reply. This BTW is the meaning of a contradiction How is it a contradiction? Jesus NEVER puts himself equal to the Father. John 14:28 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Again, the logic goes ad nauseum: then who is Jesus, he is not G-d then, is he a demi-god, is he a minor part of the trinity, which is not mentioned in the bible?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/08/14 02:15 PM
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Not a contradiction, you're looking to hard now. Look it up if you do not believe me, but the words translated into that "I and my father are one" is in reference to spiritual, or conceptional as in your mother, your father, you, are all one. We refer that as family, but you are one in the concept of family. Hope that sheds a little understanding. Your answer generates more questions than it answers- so g-d the father is much greater than g-d the son- according to your reply. This BTW is the meaning of a contradiction How is it a contradiction? Jesus NEVER puts himself equal to the Father. John 14:28 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Again, the logic goes ad nauseum: then who is Jesus, he is not G-d then, is he a demi-god, is he a minor part of the trinity, which is not mentioned in the bible? Jesus is OUR God. The word "god" is one that has authority over another. Thus we are referred to as "gods" [know ye not that ye are gods...] And we get this position when we are originally made [gave them dominion of the bests]. Jesus is OUR God, he is the one that has top authority over us. Which works perfectly well, as Jesus and his father are one so they wouldn't/won't be arguing over what to do, when to do it, ect. Jesus NEVER refers to his father as our God, or "your" god. Jesus is the God of gods. Deuteronomy 10:17 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Jesus is the God of gods. And yet there is only ONE God for no matter what, when, or how, the Father will ALWAYS have the last word in anything which is totally understandable as again Jesus and the Father are one, so therefore their would be no arguing, debating, or anything. Jesus just automatically does the will of the Father as it's his will to.

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Sat 08/09/14 07:31 PM Edited by rambill79 on Sat 08/09/14 07:37 PM
Gods 101: THERE is the father, God. note capitol G. ( Catholic friends: 'call no one father except your Father IN HEAVEN,) There is the Son, Jesus. They are not the same anymore than you and your father are the same. as for the trinity, or three godheads, or God being God and Jesus; Church Doctrine. Show it to me in the Bible. aint there. THERE ARE also piles of small g gods, otherwise it would be impossible to break the first commandment. Sports and money are two small g gods that are quite common.....Racing, shoes, arming your cat with a pistol, ect ect you get the idea. ( Basicley, anything that gets between you and God could be considered a small g god).

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Mon 08/11/14 04:03 PM
ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.