Topic: need proof of God?
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Wed 09/03/14 05:54 AM




maybe all the wars , famines , terror in the name of him .... are a good evidence that he is still learning how to be a god !

When we look around us, we can see a lot if people wanst able to have a good haircut..does it mean that this s also a good evidence that barbers are still learning how to b a barber?


Sort of, sort of not. In your example, you're insinuating God has made a mistake somewhere, weather it's his fault or not, you're still insinuating he made a mistake. Wars, Famine, Terror, Robbery, Murder, and all the rest are not God's doing, it's called free will. PEOPLE rob, PEOPLE murder, PEOPLE cause wars, PEOPLE allow other's to go hungry. Again, God gave us free will and this world works off of cause and effect. No matter how small of an action, whatever you do today, effects the world tomorrow.

I agree cowboy...bible starts wth the fact that God built free choice into human race at the beginning..some have tried to argue that God should have created people with freedom who would always choose to do good..but this s just like saying that God should have created a square triangle..lol..oops offtopic ?


Not sure bout your square triangle lol. But life would be about pointless and meaningless if we were "programmed". There would be no need for a "judgement" why would one be "programmed" into sinning against God when God hates sin?

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/03/14 05:59 AM


maybe all the wars , famines , terror in the name of him .... are a good evidence that he is still learning how to be a god !

When we look around us, we can see a lot if people wanst able to have a good haircut..does it mean that this s also a good evidence that barbers are still learning how to b a barber?


Some good Barbers in the ME right now!
They'll give you a Haircut all the way don to your Neck for Free,no Charge!spock

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:02 AM





maybe all the wars , famines , terror in the name of him .... are a good evidence that he is still learning how to be a god !

When we look around us, we can see a lot if people wanst able to have a good haircut..does it mean that this s also a good evidence that barbers are still learning how to b a barber?


Sort of, sort of not. In your example, you're insinuating God has made a mistake somewhere, weather it's his fault or not, you're still insinuating he made a mistake. Wars, Famine, Terror, Robbery, Murder, and all the rest are not God's doing, it's called free will. PEOPLE rob, PEOPLE murder, PEOPLE cause wars, PEOPLE allow other's to go hungry. Again, God gave us free will and this world works off of cause and effect. No matter how small of an action, whatever you do today, effects the world tomorrow.

I agree cowboy...bible starts wth the fact that God built free choice into human race at the beginning..some have tried to argue that God should have created people with freedom who would always choose to do good..but this s just like saying that God should have created a square triangle..lol..oops offtopic ?


Not sure bout your square triangle lol. But life would be about pointless and meaningless if we were "programmed". There would be no need for a "judgement" why would one be "programmed" into sinning against God when God hates sin?


Free will and conscious thinking should be proof enough that there is a God. We are the only "species" on the planet that has bout those. And this can be seen through the progress man has made in this world in comparison to the rest of the lifeforms on this planet. If we evolved from a lower organism on the food chain, ALL that lower organism would have evolved and would no longer be in existence. Take apes for instance. Not sure if people still believe we evolved from apes. But if we would have, ALL the apes would have evolved and there would no longer be "apes". Now "apes" is just an example here, this same thing would apply to any and all lower species we could have possible been thought to have evolved from.

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Wed 09/03/14 06:10 AM

Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this


He wrote the DNA to do just that, and is even verified in his first instruction to us.

Genesis 1:28

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

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Wed 09/03/14 06:21 AM

Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..

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Wed 09/03/14 06:33 AM
Edited by CowboyGH on Wed 09/03/14 06:36 AM



Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this


He wrote the DNA to do just that, and is even verified in his first instruction to us.

Genesis 1:28

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
don't see any mention of DNA .. Who was he talking to .


Who is he talking to you ask? I can't answer that question precise as no names or specific entities are mentioned. But when the word "God" is used, depending on the context doesn't always have to mean one entity.

Genesis 1:26

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Let US make man in OUR image after OUR likeness..

John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.

John 17:21

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


1 John

1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

m3k4y's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:35 AM

Can you show me scientific proof that god exists. ..
in genesis it s stated that god created living organisms n such a way that each reproduced according to their kinds..(genesis 1:11)

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:35 AM




Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.

Your Argument is fallacious!

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:35 AM



Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:35 AM


Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..

Nope,that is NOT possible!

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:41 AM





Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.

Your Argument is fallacious!


No sir, Not saying science is wrong. Just used it as an example in if you don't personally do the experiments yourself to find the results but instead believe another person's results is taking it on faith to be true. For again you didn't personally find that knowledge yourself first hand, you're believing a second party. And believing a second party is taking whatever it is in question on faith.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:42 AM


Can you show me scientific proof that god exists. ..
in genesis it s stated that god created living organisms n such a way that each reproduced according to their kinds..(genesis 1:11)


and THAT is Scientific Proof?huh

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:46 AM





Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.
yes .. I have observed artificial insemination in a laboratory and have witnessed cells multiplying dividing in the creation if life and have held a perfectly formed 12 wk fetus in my hand .


My questions were derogatory lol. They were not specific lol. So you've been to space? You've personally walked on the moon to find that the moon actually has little gravity in comparison to planet Earth. Again, these are just for example purposes to make a point. Ok so you've done the insemination yourself, but that's just one example of the vast area taken on faith. That's ALL that was even mentioned for. Not debating which one is more accurate, not saying science is wrong, not turning this into a science discussion. Was DEROGATORY for example purposes lol.

m3k4y's photo
Wed 09/03/14 06:56 AM





Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.

Your Argument is fallacious!

No process of biological evolution could ever lead to the formation of a spiritual entity that would survive the death of the physical organisms.. we cannot beleive n a personally conscious afterlife unless we admit that there s a nonbiological, non material dimensions to human..this non material entity could only derive from a non material source: God himself..this s directly and explicitly taught n the bible n genesis 2:7..of course the question of whether humans have a spirit s not an issue that science can speak to, since such a spirit s not measurable or observable by material measures..

m3k4y's photo
Wed 09/03/14 07:06 AM
Edited by m3k4y on Wed 09/03/14 07:06 AM



Can you show me scientific proof that god exists. ..
in genesis it s stated that god created living organisms n such a way that each reproduced according to their kinds..(genesis 1:11)


and THAT is Scientific Proof?huh
it seems that the issue of the existence of God has to b settled n our minds before we can answer the question of the plausibility of miracles..no person who pre supposes that there s no such thing as super natural will ever believe n miracles..neither should we have any trouble wth miracles once we admit that a supernatural God exists..

U havnt read the book of genesis yet sir..my proof s there..


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Wed 09/03/14 08:14 AM


It has often been noted that a proof of God would be fatal to religion: a God susceptible of proof would have to be finite and limited; He would be one entity among others within the universe, not a mystic omnipotence transcending science and reality. What nourishes the spirit of religion is not proof, but faith, i.e., the undercutting of man's mind.


Leonard Peikoff, Maybe You're Wrong
The Objectivist Forum, April 1981,




This makes more sense than the remainder of the posts combined....

Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Wed 09/03/14 08:39 AM



maybe all the wars , famines , terror in the name of him .... are a good evidence that he is still learning how to be a god !

When we look around us, we can see a lot if people wanst able to have a good haircut..does it mean that this s also a good evidence that barbers are still learning how to b a barber?


Some good Barbers in the ME right now!
They'll give you a Haircut all the way don to your Neck for Free,no Charge!spock

the best place to have such hair cut .... it's where the whole mess of religions started

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 09/03/14 08:49 AM







Basic biology .. Sperm fertilises egg and life is conceived .. What is gods part in this

It s possible to b a science consistent scientific thinker and a committed believer n jesus christ and the bible..there s nothing n the bible that necessarily contradicts any area of scientific consensus..we should note first of all that the bibles worldview s n harmony wth the first principle of science n that both believe n the uniformity of cause and effect n a real material world..
. To me the bible is just a book like any other book.. at least Scientific proof is measurable and can be tested and observed . Not based on faith


Oh but most to all science is "taken" on faith. Do you personally know for a fact we are made up of cells from your own personal investigation through microscopes and other instruments? Or do you just take what the scientists tell you as fact? Just taking it as fact because they said so, is taking it on faith, just as we put faith in the scriptures of the Holy bible to be true. Same difference.
yes .. I have observed artificial insemination in a laboratory and have witnessed cells multiplying dividing in the creation if life and have held a perfectly formed 12 wk fetus in my hand .


My questions were derogatory lol. They were not specific lol. So you've been to space? You've personally walked on the moon to find that the moon actually has little gravity in comparison to planet Earth. Again, these are just for example purposes to make a point. Ok so you've done the insemination yourself, but that's just one example of the vast area taken on faith. That's ALL that was even mentioned for. Not debating which one is more accurate, not saying science is wrong, not turning this into a science discussion. Was DEROGATORY for example purposes lol.
creation of life is relevant .. You claim god created DNA .. But other than words in a book you cannot give me proof .. Only what seems to be blind faith . This thread was about proof of god .. And that is what i was intetested in being shown .. No disrespect to you cowboy but I think I will stick with science


There is never proof for everyone on anything. Proof is perspective. One may say this points that way, while another says it points in an entirely different direction. You want proof, you have to personally search for it and decide for yourself if it proves that which the proof is needed for.

Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Wed 09/03/14 12:14 PM

If I do not believe in god .. I certainly don't believe in an after life.. When you die .. You die ..

yup , a painful fact , but most of the people don't want to believe in ... it's a part of the human ancient wish to live forever

Ɔʎɹɐx's photo
Wed 09/03/14 12:15 PM
Edited by Ɔʎɹɐx on Wed 09/03/14 12:28 PM


Can you show me scientific proof that god exists. ..
in genesis it s stated that god created living organisms n such a way that each reproduced according to their kinds..(genesis 1:11)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp7pkEcJVQ