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Challenge the mind through immediate recognition
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I don't agree, I think socialism is the problem.
Socialism is a great thing, until you run out of other peoples money to spend. Margaret Thatcher |
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One of the "Friends Of Soviet-Socialism?"
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Edited by
robinbad
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Mon 10/27/14 02:37 PM
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Communism and Capitalism are economic systems, not political ones. Communism take care of the basic human rights, except one (Right to Own Business).
The basic human rights in Communism are: 1. Right to a job, no matter what education level or no education at all you have, you have right to a job. 2. Right to a free education at any age. You study what you like whenever you like. 3. Right to a free health care, no matter how much money you make. 4. Right to a free housing. No one should live on the streets. We do not talk about huge mansions, just housing, roof over your head. In Capitalism, unfortenately, these are not considered human rights. Now, where we can get money for all these so called "free" services? We can get the money from the government (so was in Communist Russia). The government should work and create Jobs as a private sector does - build space craft, cars, ships, etc. What Communism in Russia and Cuba was/is missing is the Right to Own Buisness, or I call it the right to become rich. In Russia people lived well, there were no poor, homeless, jobless, they did not fear for their future they had everything they needed. But, no one could become rich if they wanted to. Because there was no private sector there was no competition, which affected the country a lot. People should have the right to Own Business. And the private sector should compete with the governmental sector of economy. Only then all human rights will be protected. That is people should decide themselves whether they want be rich or not rich, work for the government and have free education health care, housing, or work in the private sector to become rich and pay themselves for the housing, education, health care. So I don't think Capitalism is totally bad, It has its pluses. The best solution to me is Communism + Capitalism. Plus we need to stop ideological wars between the two systems stop blaming other countries, and lower all spending on the military. |
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Couldn't disagree more.
Capitalism is not perfect. There are parts which reward greed (which is both good and bad in society), but they can be countered on an individual bases. Problem is, the regulations on capitalism which have been set in place bring a whole new animal of destruction called "Crony capitalism". That is where governments take taxpayer money and give hundreds of billions in revenue to corporations who break the law, pass regulations to prevent the "little guy" from growing into a bigger one and becoming competition, and eventually encourage outsourcing. I believe, however, that there is another animal that is far more dangerous and detrimental to society. That is the desire to be taken care of. We could even call this laziness. This desire encourages people give up their decision making abilities, their money, and their rights to the select few funded by the very people responsible for crony capitalism. Money isn't even the whole issue. Its school events or games which aren't allowed to declare a winner. Its policies that take from those that work and give to those that don't in an effort to "equalize results". It's giving grades base entirely on effort, or perceived effort. Its the endless pursuit of Utopia, which can NEVER physically exist in this universe. All these things prevent new generations from developing coping skills and life skills to deal with reality, and THAT is an issue we are encountering more and more as days pass. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 10/27/14 02:20 PM
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Communism and Capitalism are economic system, not political ones. Communism take care of basic human rights, except one (Right to Own Business). The basic human rights in Communims are: 1. Right to a job, no matter what education level or no education at all you have, you have right to a job. 2. Right to a free education at any age. You study what you like whenever you like. 3. Right to a free health care, no matter how much money you make. 4. Right to a free housing. No one should live on the streets. We do not talk about huge mansions, just housing, roof over your head. In Capitalism unfortenately these are not considered human rights. Now where we can get money for all these so called "free" services? We can get the money from the government (so was in Communist Russia). The government should work and cr�ate Jobs as a private sector does - build space craft, cars,ships, etc. What Communism in Russia and Cuba was/is missing is the Right to Own Buisness or I call it the right to become rich. In Russia people lived well, there were no poor, homeless, jobless, they did not fear for their future they had everything they needed. But no one could become rich if they wanted to. Because there was no private sector thee was no competition, which affected the country a lot. People should have the right to Own Business. And the private sector should compete with the governmental sector of economy. Only then all human rights will be protected. So I don't think Capitalism is totally bad, It has its pluses. The best solution to me is Communism + Capitalism. Plus we need to stop ideological wars blaming other countries, and lower all spending on the military. can't mix the two,Old Son! Communism is incompatible with Freedom and Capitalism! What you are proposing is to feed the Patient some more of the Poison that made him sick in the first place,your mixture of Statism/Collectivism! |
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Edited by
robinbad
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Mon 10/27/14 02:49 PM
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Mon 10/27/14 02:07 PM
Communism and Capitalism are economic systems, not political ones. Communism take care of the basic human rights, except one (Right to Own Business). The basic human rights in Communism are: 1. Right to a job, no matter what education level or no education at all you have, you have right to a job. 2. Right to a free education at any age. You study what you like whenever you like. 3. Right to a free health care, no matter how much money you make. 4. Right to a free housing. No one should live on the streets. We do not talk about huge mansions, just housing, roof over your head. In Capitalism, unfortenately, these are not considered human rights. Now, where we can get money for all these so called "free" services? We can get the money from the government (so was in Communist Russia). The government should work and create Jobs as a private sector does - build space craft, cars, ships, etc. What Communism in Russia and Cuba was/is missing is the Right to Own Buisness, or I call it the right to become rich. In Russia people lived well, there were no poor, homeless, jobless, they did not fear for their future they had everything they needed. But, no one could become rich if they wanted to. Because there was no private sector there was no competition, which affected the country a lot. People should have the right to Own Business. And the private sector should compete with the governmental sector of economy. Only then all human rights will be protected. That is people should decide themselves whether they want be rich or not rich, work for the government and have free education health care, housing, or work in the private sector to become rich and pay themselves for the housing, education, health care. So I don't think Capitalism is totally bad, It has its pluses. The best solution to me is Communism + Capitalism. Plus we need to stop ideological wars between the two systems stop blaming other countries, and lower all spending on the military. can't mix the two,Old Son! Communism is incompatible with Freedom and Capitalism! What you are proposing is to feed the Patient some more of the Poison that made him sick in the first place,your mixture of Statism/Collectivism! what you say is just ideological propaganda without any proof. if you decide to provide proof you will again provide ideological propaganda based again on ideological propaganda, - pure politics. Communism is working well in Sweden and some other european countries NOW. As for freedoms they can be taken from people in both systems - many capitalistic countries had their totalitarian leaders too. People should concentrate on economy instead of politics. |
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so if I got out tomorrow and went to my normal job.. put in my 10 hours...
. did my part to help make the world spins so to speak... and if the government.. or society.. gave me a decent sized house.. a car.. put quality food on my table.. provided me with health care... let me go anywhere in the world I wanted to.. for a three week holiday...... basically getting rid of money altogether..hmm.. I would still get up tomorrow and do exactly what I did today..... is this considered communism..? . |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 10/27/14 02:58 PM
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Mon 10/27/14 02:07 PM Communism and Capitalism are economic systems, not political ones. Communism take care of the basic human rights, except one (Right to Own Business). The basic human rights in Communism are: 1. Right to a job, no matter what education level or no education at all you have, you have right to a job. 2. Right to a free education at any age. You study what you like whenever you like. 3. Right to a free health care, no matter how much money you make. 4. Right to a free housing. No one should live on the streets. We do not talk about huge mansions, just housing, roof over your head. In Capitalism, unfortenately, these are not considered human rights. Now, where we can get money for all these so called "free" services? We can get the money from the government (so was in Communist Russia). The government should work and create Jobs as a private sector does - build space craft, cars, ships, etc. What Communism in Russia and Cuba was/is missing is the Right to Own Buisness, or I call it the right to become rich. In Russia people lived well, there were no poor, homeless, jobless, they did not fear for their future they had everything they needed. But, no one could become rich if they wanted to. Because there was no private sector there was no competition, which affected the country a lot. People should have the right to Own Business. And the private sector should compete with the governmental sector of economy. Only then all human rights will be protected. That is people should decide themselves whether they want be rich or not rich, work for the government and have free education health care, housing, or work in the private sector to become rich and pay themselves for the housing, education, health care. So I don't think Capitalism is totally bad, It has its pluses. The best solution to me is Communism + Capitalism. Plus we need to stop ideological wars between the two systems stop blaming other countries, and lower all spending on the military. can't mix the two,Old Son! Communism is incompatible with Freedom and Capitalism! What you are proposing is to feed the Patient some more of the Poison that made him sick in the first place,your mixture of Statism/Collectivism! what you say is just ideological propaganda without any proof. if you decide to provide proof you will again provide ideological propaganda based again on ideological propaganda, - pure politics. Communism is working well in Sweden and some other european countries NOW. As for freedoms they can be taken from people in both systems - many capitalistic countries had their totalitarian leaders too. People should concentrate on economy instead of politics. With all due respect,but you don't have an inkling of what Capitalism is!  What you're describing is Fascism,National-Socialism,anything but! Europe has taken the Path to Fascism many years ago! I grew up in Europe,and also live there! |
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"In Russia, people lived well, ..." Were these the people in the Gulags or the bread lines?
With all due respect, you don't have a clue. |
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yes, capitalism turns everything that exists into one of two categories, profitable capital or none profitable capital...
or just profitable or unprofitable... or just all things into a - or a + so hence it shall turn humans them self into just "capital"... or profit or none profit. humans then coming to be worth a decided upon amount of inked paper, that can GET any self what it WANTS for it self... such of course will contribute to the buying and selling of humans, and then all human body parts, and thus create, contribute and perpetuate a black market in the selling of humans and human body organs and parts... a rather egregious and barbaric society pure and only "capitalism" has no choice to create... and what is deemed unprofitable to that which only seeks profit for it self and it's collective group, shall seek to discard as refuse ALL it deem as unprofitable to it self. hence a decreasing of the very intellect of an entire society, and no insight of what it actually takes to create the total intellect or knowing that any human has... if the true insight of what all things that exist actually CREATES, decreases within the intellect, than the intellect decreases, not increases... so perpetuation of less intelligence will have to exist than within all systems driven by capitalism as it's sole guide... for there is no doubt, minds born into a capitalistic environment, focus on "GET", versus CREATE... the bigger question it seems, is what is truly profitable for the entire human species as one collective sum of equally valuable human beings... can a human intellect understand or know in reality un lazy without a lazy that exist? can a human in reality feel profit unless a no profit exist? can a human intellect know in reality, instead of only in imaginative theory, peace without war? can one know in REAL REALITY, "no harm" without a REAL "harm" to exist? absolutely not... so then it only become s a question of do we wish for a society that "feeds" parasitically on each other... the "fan" feeds on or exist due to a "celebrity"... but the "celebrity" also feeds on or exists due to the "fan"... so, both are actually parasitical... and the principle of this same thing all capitalism incubates and perpetuates, as it deem ONE of the TWO more VALUABLE... when in reality, they are of equal value to the existence of each other. the poor are of equal value as the rich in reality, for the rich could not exist without the poor... they are both parasitical first in mentality, if they do not see the equal value of each other. if we truly wanted to evolve the earth into equal wealth of all, hence no more social classes deemed of lessor value, than a collective system of equal value of all occupations would have to exist first... the same as to say, that which collects garbage is providing a service all need to exist, so hence equally as valuable as the teacher, and the solider, and the lawyer or the doctor... hence, ALL contributors should receive equal same pay... from the athlete down to the garbage collector... but of course, the athlete will oppose this... and so lobby toward the continued existence of the current system that created MORE for it self. and so since "capitalist" INSISTS it self be of higher value and intellect, than no equal value can be instituted or created for the betterment of the whole species, hence the same revolving unevolving gerbil wheel of collective society spins towards it's own self demise, as unequal in all things has always created the return to primitive nature of the mentality that somehow the believes number ONE is somehow "BETTER THAN", the number TWO, or older is BETTER THAN younger, or younger BETTER THAN older, or BEAUTY better than NONE BEAUTY, and it is this mentality that has collapsed all previous and entire civilizations. |
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yes, capitalism turns everything that exists into one of two categories, profitable capital or none profitable capital... or just profitable or unprofitable... or just all things into a - or a + so hence it shall turn humans them self into just "capital"... or profit or none profit. humans then coming to be worth a decided upon amount of inked paper, that can GET any self what it WANTS for it self... such of course will contribute to the buying and selling of humans, and then all human body parts, and thus create, contribute and perpetuate a black market in the selling of humans and human body organs and parts... a rather egregious and barbaric society pure and only "capitalism" has no choice to create... and what is deemed unprofitable to that which only seeks profit for it self and it's collective group, shall seek to discard as refuse ALL it deem as unprofitable to it self. hence a decreasing of the very intellect of an entire society, and no insight of what it actually takes to create the total intellect or knowing that any human has... if the true insight of what all things that exist actually CREATES, decreases within the intellect, than the intellect decreases, not increases... so perpetuation of less intelligence will have to exist than within all systems driven by capitalism as it's sole guide... for there is no doubt, minds born into a capitalistic environment, focus on "GET", versus CREATE... the bigger question it seems, is what is truly profitable for the entire human species as one collective sum of equally valuable human beings... can a human intellect understand or know in reality un lazy without a lazy that exist? can a human in reality feel profit unless a no profit exist? can a human intellect know in reality, instead of only in imaginative theory, peace without war? can one know in REAL REALITY, "no harm" without a REAL "harm" to exist? absolutely not... so then it only become s a question of do we wish for a society that "feeds" parasitically on each other... the "fan" feeds on or exist due to a "celebrity"... but the "celebrity" also feeds on or exists due to the "fan"... so, both are actually parasitical... and the principle of this same thing all capitalism incubates and perpetuates, as it deem ONE of the TWO more VALUABLE... when in reality, they are of equal value to the existence of each other. the poor are of equal value as the rich in reality, for the rich could not exist without the poor... they are both parasitical first in mentality, if they do not see the equal value of each other. if we truly wanted to evolve the earth into equal wealth of all, hence no more social classes deemed of lessor value, than a collective system of equal value of all occupations would have to exist first... the same as to say, that which collects garbage is providing a service all need to exist, so hence equally as valuable as the teacher, and the solider, and the lawyer or the doctor... hence, ALL contributors should receive equal same pay... from the athlete down to the garbage collector... but of course, the athlete will oppose this... and so lobby toward the continued existence of the current system that created MORE for it self. and so since "capitalist" INSISTS it self be of higher value and intellect, than no equal value can be instituted or created for the betterment of the whole species, hence the same revolving unevolving gerbil wheel of collective society spins towards it's own self demise, as unequal in all things has always created the return to primitive nature of the mentality that somehow the believes number ONE is somehow "BETTER THAN", the number TWO, or older is BETTER THAN younger, or younger BETTER THAN older, or BEAUTY better than NONE BEAUTY, and it is this mentality that has collapsed all previous and entire civilizations. You just described Fascism extremely well,no,not Capitalism,but unbridled Fascism! Capitalism is the ...heck,there is no comparison one could make between Collectivist Slavery and Freedom! http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/capitalism.html Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned. The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control. |
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there are varied similarities in many "named" systems, but to focus on these differences or similarities of some "named" governance system, only leads to continued debate to infinity of the "true or accurate definition" of these very systems...
if one look at the actual word it self, the root meaning belie WHAT it shall CREATE in the human being TO DO... this is what i am deferring to and making the priority, which is all that matters to me, as that is what is truly of the most priority if one wishes to contribute to or CREATE something better than what already exists. |
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