He never existed! Religions were fabricated to keep people under control. Prove me wrong without quoting a book that contradicts itself time and time again? Can you do that? Where's your proof? As I said, without quoting the bible! Have fun with that one?

Nobody can prove anything to you, unless you're willing to accept it. We couldn't prove to you the world is round without you willing to accept it as fact.

The World is round, as at least that's been proved! Christianity and Islam haven't been that's what i'm talking about here? You people spout verse after verse of the bible at people, thinking that you are all the chosen ones? Well how do you know that it's true? Where you there when all these miracles, etc happened? No you weren't, so how can you spout about something when even YOU don't know it's true? Could've been the greatest work of fiction ever written? Cos it fooled so many? Or it could be true to a point? Also if aliens are ever discovered, how will your religion solve that one? Answer me that, if you don't mind?

Messi,

I guess I don't know what you mean by "prove." Is there some sort of historical scientific method, because if there is you should write that dissertation today! But because there isn't a scientific method to apply to those past events, we have to work from the effects of those past events, while maintaining a skeptical eye if the ideal "proof" comes forward. What we 21st century people may assume is "contradiction" is actually something historians look for as they search for as evidence of the authenticity of sources...this rule is called similarity and dissimilarity.

But to name a few ancient authors who point to the effects of Jesus of Nazareth: Josephus and Pliny the Younger. The problem with your ad hoc oversimplification is that you do not seem to be aware that no one amongst the scholarly historical community - even those who share your skepticism for religion - who wishes to be taken seriously, would suggest that Jesus of Nazareth never existed.

There are plenty of reasons to criticize and rally against Christianity, and I agree with most of the complaints, especially when they are legitimate, but you have named something being relegated to silence even by those who agree with your critique of religion.

Can't show you or reveal to you his godliness or anything related to "religion". But I can guarantee you he was a real living person flesh and blood.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

Can't show you or reveal to you his godliness or anything related to "religion". But I can guarantee you he was a real living person flesh and blood.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

and you think your Guaranty,and Wikipedia's is sufficient to base seventy years of one's Life on?

Returning to the topic, though still 3 degrees of separation removed from the original, Jesus' humanity is specifically how and why he could and did become the firstfruits of the expected New Creation. We need to keep in mind the issues of the Council of Chalcedon: Jesus fully divine or fully human? Their answer was "Yes...both...inseparably." Yes, Jesus maintains his divinity, but the depth of his kenotic descent to earth extended to the necessity of his eventual death and thus his representational role as he took on the need to be delivered from the grave itself. Jesus is the firstborn of the New Creation and in becoming that demonstrates his divinity. Without the resurrection, Jesus is a failed Messiah.

Once again, I'm making an effort at describing the Christian faith...what you believe is your own business, I'm simply attempting to describe the ideal that Christians are called to, should believe in, and often fail at...to bring it back to the original question.

All throughout the synoptic gospels, but especially throughout John, the point is made clear, Jesus is fully human. "The Word (logos) became flesh (sarx)." It is suspected that John is reacting to the Gnostics, who believed Jesus was God only appearing to be a human.

The Greek Orthodox have a doctrine of theosis, which in essence points to the New Creation being "clothed" in the Holy Spirit, as Paul talks about when he speaks of resurrection. The belief is not that Creation becomes God, but that Creation (including humanity, with possible exception for those who refuse redemption) becomes enveloped by God. This is, of course, metaphoric language, however the point is that from the beginning, YHWH's purpose for Creation was to envelope Creation in the perichoresis or "circle dance" that is the Trinity. While God remains wholly other, he would permeate all things, while all Creation will partake in the kenotic relationship modeled by the Trinity. The holiness of God will remain and yet envelope the New Creation.

That being said, it is key for the gospel-writers to point to Jesus' humanity. He enters creation as a creature, though he was not a creature, he became a creature...bound to the creature's curse.

What I mean by "God" is the character attested to and revealed as YHWH in the OT scriptures and as the Father, Son, and Spirit in the NT. It is an assumption I, and most Christians, make that God is as God has revealed Godself to be. So, if God exists, I am talking about that God.

...and that God becoming fully human whilst maintaining his full divinity.

The fact is most people even Christians don't know the bible. Errors started by the early Catholic church persist today. WHEN YOU DIE YOU DON'T GO TO HEAVEN RIGHT AWAY BUT SLEEP. NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS. Jesus was to bring Lazarus back from the dead, and he used the word sleep. Jesus brought a littl e girl back to wife but was ridiculed by a crowd because he said she was sleeping.
We are attached to this earth,so we don't want to miss our friends, sunsets, and the life we have only known. But when Christ comes again it is for his saints....I corinthinians 15;53 Says the dead will rise first and we who are alive will meet CHrist in the clouds. Read 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 16. Eccelesiastes 9 verses 5-7 say the dead know nothing. Psalm 104:29-30 : thou takest away their breath, they die and return to their dust. Thou sendest forth thy spirtit ...which is the breath of life....spirit means the life force....think of a light bulb...your body is the light bulb...when you die that life force, like electricity goes back to god not you.....the word soul means a lving breathing thing...it is not seperate

The fact is most people even Christians don't know the bible. Errors started by the early Catholic church persist today. WHEN YOU DIE YOU DON'T GO TO HEAVEN RIGHT AWAY BUT SLEEP. NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS. Jesus was to bring Lazarus back from the dead, and he used the word sleep. Jesus brought a littl e girl back to wife but was ridiculed by a crowd because he said she was sleeping.
We are attached to this earth,so we don't want to miss our friends, sunsets, and the life we have only known. But when Christ comes again it is for his saints....I corinthinians 15;53 Says the dead will rise first and we who are alive will meet CHrist in the clouds. Read 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 16. Eccelesiastes 9 verses 5-7 say the dead know nothing. Psalm 104:29-30 : thou takest away their breath, they die and return to their dust. Thou sendest forth thy spirtit ...which is the breath of life....spirit means the life force....think of a light bulb...your body is the light bulb...when you die that life force, like electricity goes back to god not you.....the word soul means a lving breathing thing...it is not seperate.

So we see we return to dust ...look at all dead things : They return to dust.
wE KNOW THE Chritian religion is true because only it explains how life was created and many truths. Buddhists have worshipped Buddha but he says in his writing s not to worship him though people do.
The Quran is of the devil cause it says " Slay unbelievers where ever you find them" 9:5 This means anyone who is not a Muslim is to be KILLED.....THIS IS NOT OF A HOLY GOD......HINDUS , TAOISTS ETC CAN NOT EXPLAIN HOW LIF E WAS CREATED....ONLY THE BIBLE DOES THE MOST PLAUSIBLE JOB....DID COMPUTERS COME ABOUT BY EVOLUTION ? YOUR BODY IS A BILLION TIMES MORE COMPLICATED.....
ANOTHER ERROR IS THAT THE DEVIL IS SOME RED GUY WITH A PITCH FORK ...BUT READ THE BIBLE AND IT SAYS HE WAS BEATIFUL AND THAT TURNED HIM TO ARROGANCE.
i URGE ALL OF YOU TO READ WWW.AMAZINGFACTS.ORG LOOK UP IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL AND JOE CREW RADIO SERMONS ON EVOLUTION....YOU WILL LEARN ALOT.