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Wed 04/29/15 05:56 AM
The United States mentioned in the bible. Mystery Babylon guared by the goddess of fertility and sex. World War III between the United States vs. USSR. WWIII to be started by the time Obama leaves office. What do you think of this interpretation the bible?

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Wed 04/29/15 06:05 AM
I don't know how that could come from the Bible. What do you use to support that train of thought?

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Wed 04/29/15 06:30 AM
Edited by Seakolony on Wed 04/29/15 06:32 AM

I don't know how that could come from the Bible. What do you use to support that train of thought?

I read this interpretation from another. The bible verse is revelation chapter 17 verse 5. The statue of liberty is the harlot goddess of fertility and a false idol.

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Wed 04/29/15 06:59 AM
Edited by Seakolony on Wed 04/29/15 07:03 AM

I don't know how that could come from the Bible. What do you use to support that train of thought?

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1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

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Wed 04/29/15 07:06 AM
There is an old saying "consider the source". The best way to evaluate this type of comparison is to take the logic of the person who made the comparison and compare it thought by thought. Some logic is faulty and some is just stupid.

I suspect the originator of this scenario is no Nostradamus.

Can you post his/her whole story? I think the French had a different idea about the Statue of Liberty.

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Wed 04/29/15 07:19 AM

There is an old saying "consider the source". The best way to evaluate this type of comparison is to take the logic of the person who made the comparison and compare it thought by thought. Some logic is faulty and some is just stupid.

I suspect the originator of this scenario is no Nostradamus.

Can you post his/her whole story? I think the French had a different idea about the Statue of Liberty.


It was actually an interpretation I saw on FB from someone that these were the only words they had to describe the US. It makes sense to the Vatican and churches hiding the interpretation due to fear. I did find something else herehttp://www.escapeallthesethings.com/america-mystery-babylon-great.htm

Upon reading the verses it rings true. The French made the statue of liberty in form of Ishtar which has become the idol of the US. The US became the country of free love waste and gluttony.

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Wed 04/29/15 07:32 AM


There is an old saying "consider the source". The best way to evaluate this type of comparison is to take the logic of the person who made the comparison and compare it thought by thought. Some logic is faulty and some is just stupid.

I suspect the originator of this scenario is no Nostradamus.

Can you post his/her whole story? I think the French had a different idea about the Statue of Liberty.


It was actually an interpretation I saw on FB from someone that these were the only words they had to describe the US. It makes sense to the Vatican and churches hiding the interpretation due to fear. I did find something else herehttp://www.escapeallthesethings.com/america-mystery-babylon-great.htm

Upon reading the verses it rings true. The French made the statue of liberty in form of Ishtar which has become the idol of the US. The US became the country of free love waste and gluttony.


I think the lady is more of a symbol to the rest of the world than the typical American. Here, it is supposed to represent liberty, but that concept means different things to different people.

The song goes "you don't know what you've got til it's gone"

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Wed 04/29/15 08:53 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 04/29/15 09:01 AM
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Wed 04/29/15 08:03 PM
I think the United States is a fairly new country and not a part of The Beast or Mystery Babylon. I think Beast is a civil government and Babylon is a Religious System. The Church and State system set up by Constantine, after the Council of Nicaea.

Daniel 7:17
‘The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.
Daniel 7:19
“Then I wanted to know the meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws—the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left.
Daniel 7:23
“He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

Revelation 17
Babylon, the Prostitute on the Beast
17 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

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Wed 04/29/15 08:06 PM
The Roman Empire was and is not and is to come.

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Wed 04/29/15 08:11 PM
I know the bible has words in it,
that might be offensive in mixed company.

However, I didn't know the bible used words
as derogatory, as "obama".


World war 3?
Won't happen with u.s. involvement.
President obonzo surrendered,
before his reappointment as kommizar.

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Wed 04/29/15 08:17 PM

I think the United States is a fairly new country and not a part of The Beast or Mystery Babylon. I think Beast is a civil government and Babylon is a Religious System. The Church and State system set up by Constantine, after the Council of Nicaea.

Daniel 7:17
‘The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.
Daniel 7:19
“Then I wanted to know the meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws—the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left.
Daniel 7:23
“He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

Revelation 17
Babylon, the Prostitute on the Beast
17 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”
3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5 The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7 Then the angel said to me: “Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.



Ahhh, but, Babylon was not a mystery. They only words that could be used to describe the US. With free love like Babylon. Yet a country that did not yet exist therefore a mystery to them at the time. Mystery Babylon the only words to describe what had been revealed.

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Thu 04/30/15 08:04 AM
The Us may well be sinking into Babylon but I don't see how you could think it is Babylon itself. Babylon rides a number of kingdoms. The Beast with seven heads and ten horns. Seven heads Babylonian Empire, Persian Empire, Greek Empire split into four parts so four heads, that makes six heads. Roman Empire makes seven heads and it has ten horns, ten revivals. This was ridden by the religious system started by after the flood, made to look Christian by Constantine. Holy Roman Empire. An uneasy alliance of Church and state, also mentioned as the feet of iron and clay on the statue Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of.
If the United States is Babylon. Who or what do you think the Beast is?

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Thu 04/30/15 06:55 PM

The Us may well be sinking into Babylon but I don't see how you could think it is Babylon itself. Babylon rides a number of kingdoms. The Beast with seven heads and ten horns. Seven heads Babylonian Empire, Persian Empire, Greek Empire split into four parts so four heads, that makes six heads. Roman Empire makes seven heads and it has ten horns, ten revivals. This was ridden by the religious system started by after the flood, made to look Christian by Constantine. Holy Roman Empire. An uneasy alliance of Church and state, also mentioned as the feet of iron and clay on the statue Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of.
If the United States is Babylon. Who or what do you think the Beast is?

The government

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Thu 04/30/15 07:00 PM
The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

I don't think that fits the government.

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Thu 04/30/15 07:59 PM

The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.

I don't think that fits the government.


The reason I am on revelations even though I study the bible is that I do not understand it. Back when the oil in the gulf came from the deep. I had a dream right before it in which I was sitting on the beach and the lord spike unto me that the seal was being broken and the beast would arise from the deep and to go forth and tell others. I ran to tell others the beast from the deep is coming beware the lord has sent me unto you spread the word. I would not stop even as I wasbkaughed at. I told family and friends of my dream some believed. Some said to me its only a dream and they laughed. Still to this day I believe the lord spoke to me in my dream. I have been trying to study and understand it. It the more I try the farther I seem from understanding it. The father in his infinite wisdom knows what I need. So, I guess I will bow unto it and let him lead me.

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Thu 04/30/15 08:12 PM
That is interesting, some dreams do seem pretty real. I think understanding the Bible is something that comes as you try to live what you learn. It is the most interesting Book I have ever seen. Not all the information on any subject is in one place. I find Bible Gateway really handy for research.

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Mon 05/18/15 07:32 PM
WHAT CITY BUILT ON 7 HILLS AND GREAT SEA PORT WILL BE THE HEADQUARTERS OF 666 DURING THE 1260-DAY GREAT TRIBULATION??

{666 is called the Beast 36 or 6X6 times in the book of Revelation}

Revelation 13:5,7 The Beast {666} will exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {or 1260 days}... And he will be given power to make war against the saints and conquer them. {See Dan 7:25} Rev 17:18: The *WOMAN you saw {In Revelation17:1-18} is the great *CITY that will rule over the kings of the earth.

Rev 17:3,5,6,8,9,12,13, 18: I saw a WOMAN sitting on a scarlet Beast {666} with 7 heads and 10 horns...The Beast, which you saw, once was {alive}, now is not {Alive in AD 96}, and will come out of the Abyss {Or Hell} and go to his destruction {See Rev 19:19,20} This title was written on her forehead “Mystery: Babylon the Great: Mother of Prostitutes and of the Abominations of the earth.” I saw that the WOMAN was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. The Beast {666}, which you saw, once was {alive}, now is not {Alive in AD 96}, and will come up out of the Abyss {Or Hell} and go to his destruction {See Rev 19:19,20} ...This calls for a mind with wisdom. The 7 Heads are SEVEN HILLS {ROME} on which the WOMAN sits {Or reigns}... The 10 horns you saw are 10 kings who will give their authority to the Beast {666}...The WOMAN you saw is the great *CITY that rules over the kings of the earth.
Revelation 18:17-20,24 “Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, “Was there ever a city like this great city?” They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: “Woe, Woe, O great *CITY, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin! Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you....In her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth.”

Most Bible scholars believe that the book of First Peter was written shortly after the beginning of Nero’s Roman persecution of Christians in AD 64 because of I Peter 4:12,13 & 5:8,9. We know that Peter and his wife were living in Rome at this time. Peter was inspired to write in I Peter 5:13: “She {Peter’s wife} who is in *BABYLON* {Nickname for *ROME*!} sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” Apparently some Christians including Peter were inspired to call ROME “BABYLON” after Nero’s terrible persecution of Christians starting in AD 64. This is very interesting since the evil city of the End-Times is called “BABYLON” 6 times in Revelation 14:8; 16:19; 17:5; 18:2,10,21.

All encyclopedias agree that Babylon was completely evacuated in 275 BC and completely destroyed by 141 BC. The Wikipedia encyclopedia states, "By 141 BC, when the Parthian Empire took over the region, Babylon was in complete desolation and obscurity." The only question that remains is: Was Babylon rebuilt so that there could be people living in Babylon around AD 65 when Peter wrote 1 Peter 5:13???
Which leads us to the promises of God in Jeremiah 50:1-3,13: This is the word the Lord spoke through Jeremiah concerning Babylon.."Babylon will be captured... A nation from the north will attack her and lay waste her land. No one will live in it; both men and animals will flee away!" Also read Jeremiah 52:52:61-64: And God ALWAYS keeps His promises. If you check out the latest Iraqi Tour Guides you will notice the following statement: "Today, BABYLON lies COMPLETELY in ruins. A large and splendidly carved stone lion is all that remains of its former glories."

I was a missionary in Jerusalem and Jerusalem was never known as the city on 7 hills. It has always been known as the city on 6 mountains {Not Hills} as stated in Wikipedia {Under the heading: Jerusalem Mountains} which are {1} Mount Herzl {2} Mount of Olives {3} Mount Zion {4} Mount Scopus {5} temple Mount {6} Har Menuchot.

“Babylon” {Nicknamed Rome by Peter} is a “GREAT SEAPORT” in Rev 18:17-19; JUST LIKE ROME and UNLIKE Babylon whose ruins are NOW 4 miles from the very shallow Euphrates River; and UNLIKE Jerusalem which is 2000 to 3000 feet above sea level and 35 miles from the Mediterranean Sea.

Babylon is also completely FLAT whereas the End-Time "Babylon" will be a city built on 7 Hills JUST LIKE ROME!! Rev 17:18: “The woman you saw {Rev 17:3--Who sits with the Beast with 7 heads} is the great *CITY* {Rome--nicknamed Babylon in I Peter 5:13--See Rev 17:5a} that will rule over the kings of the earth.” The headquarters of 666 will be destroyed about 2 weeks before the Last Day.{See Rev 16:10-16} Rev 18:19: ”Woe! Woe, O great *CITY*, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you...In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints and of all who have been killed on the earth!”

The mention of “seven hills” in conjunction with the Harlot Woman (Rev. 17:9) is often seen as an allusion to seven hills known to be associated with Rome:

The Rome view is also built upon the assumption that the seven hills of Revelation 17:9 identify the topography of the ancient city of Rome. Because literature of the ancient world contains dozens of references to the seven hills of Rome, the ancient city of Rome was universally known as the city of the seven hills. Thus, such a topographical reference would immediately suggest Rome in the minds of John’s original audience. This suggestion is especially true given the fact that the seven hills were the nucleus of the city on the left bank of the Tiber River and given the fact that an unusual festival called the septimontium received its name because of this topographical feature.

Rome has always been known as the CITY built on 7 Hills by Romulus from whom Rome gets its name. The following is a quote from Wikipedia Encyclopedia: The Seven Hills of Rome (Italian: Sette colli di Roma) east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the ancient city. The SEVEN HILLS are: Aventine Hill, Caelian Hill, Captoline Hill, Palantine Hill, Quirinal Hill, Esquiline Hill, and Viminal Hill.

According to Wikipedia Rome is in the Lazio region of central Italy on the Tiber river (Italian: Tevere). The original settlement developed on hills that faced onto a ford beside the Tiber Island, the only natural ford of the river in this area. Modern Rome is also crossed by another deep river, the Aniene, which flows into the Tiber north of the historic centre. Although the city centre is about 24 kilometres (15 mi) inland from the Tyrrhenian Sea, the *CITY TERRITORY EXTENDS TO THE SHORE*, where the south-western district of Ostia is located.

In addition, the notion that John’s audience would have understood the imagery of Revelation 17 as referring to the topography of Rome seems strengthened by the discovery of the Dea Roma Coin minted in A.D. 71 in Asia Minor. One side of the coin contains the portrait of the emperor. The reverse side of the coin depicts Rome, a Roman pagan goddess, sitting on seven hills seated by the waters of the Tiber River. There are obvious similarities between the Dea Roma Coin and the imagery of Revelation 17. In both cases, the goddess and the harlot are seated on seven hills and are seated either on or by the waters (Rev. 17:1). In addition, the name of the goddess was thought by many Romans to be Amor, which is Roma spelled backwards. Amor was the goddess of love and sexuality. Thus, both the woman on the coin and the woman in Revelation 17 represent harlotry (Rev. 17:5). Furthermore, the coin equates Roma with the power of the Roman Empire, which was active in persecuting Christians of John’s day. The placement of Vespasian on one side of the coin and Roma on the other makes this connection. . . . The goddess is also pictured as holding a sword, which may depict Rome’s imperial power. This imagery parallels with the woman in Revelation 17 who is said to be drunk with the blood of the saints in Rev 17:5,9.

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Mon 05/18/15 11:00 PM

The United States mentioned in the bible. Mystery Babylon guared by the goddess of fertility and sex. World War III between the United States vs. USSR. WWIII to be started by the time Obama leaves office. What do you think of this interpretation the bible?

I think it's a load of rubbish.

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Wed 05/20/15 11:36 AM

Who is the whore of babylon .., There is another theory that Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church :


http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/the-whore-of-babylon.html

If you read the history of the "Holy Roman Empire" it fits. the Roman Empire is the beast the Harlot rides.

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