Topic: USA- Another Surge Of Illegal Aliens
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Fri 08/07/15 03:26 PM
DHS admits new surge of illegal immigrant families spock

The country saw another surge of illegal immigrant families crossing the border in July, a top Homeland Security official told a federal court late Thursday as the administration begged a judge not to forbid detention of new migrant mothers and children.

Deputy Border Patrol Chief Ronald Vitiello said the number of illegal immigrant families captured at the border rose in July, bucking a trend and worrying officials who had been expecting the number of families to drop as the heat increases in late summer, just as the number of unaccompanied minors does.

Even worse, the administration fears things may get worse if illegal immigrants hear about Judge Dolly M. Gee’s July 24 ruling all but prohibiting detention of illegal immigrant families.

Indeed, the administration warned that Central American parents may actually be enticed to bring their children on the perilous journey north, realizing that they can use their kids as shields to get themselves released from detention. That, in turn, could mean more even children being forced to make the trip up.

“Specifically, the proposed remedies could heighten the risk of another urge in illegal migration across out Southwest border by Central American families, including by incentivizing adults to bring children with them on their dangerous journey as a means to avoid detention and gain access to the interior of the United States,” Deputy Assistant Attorney General Benjamin C. Mizer said in papers filed Thursday, just ahead of a midnight deadline.

The case is the latest test of Homeland Security, which finds itself tugged on one side by immigrant-rights advocates who protest most enforcement measures, and on the other side by congressional Republicans who demand stricter enforcement across the board.

Judge Gee last month sided with the advocates, issuing a far-reaching ruling that the government is violating a two-decade-old agreement governing how to treat illegal immigrant children. Among the problems Judge Gee identified were the fact that children traveling with their parents were held more than five days in custody, and that the detention facilities they were held in were guarded and secure, and lighted 24 hours a day.

The judge gave the administration time to argue its case, but now Judge Gee must decide whether to impose her proposed solution, which could have the effect of essentially shutting down detention of illegal immigrant families by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Mr. Vitiello said if the ICE family detention centers are shut down, it will mean illegal immigrants languish longer at Border Patrol facilities, which aren’t set up for longer-term holding, and it would distract agents from their chief job of trying to catch new border crosses.

“This would greatly impact our operational capacity and our ability to secure the borders while facilitating lawful trade and travel,” the deputy chief said in an affidavit filed with the court.

The filing was one signal that President Obama intends to fight Judge Gee’s ruling.

Immigration-rights advocates are likely to be angered by the move. In the two weeks since her initial ruling, Democratic leaders in Congress had called on the administration to comply with Judge Gee’s proposal and end detention of families.

“This court ruling is a chance for the U.S. government to put a definitive end to its harmful and illegal family detention policy,” Clara Long, a researcher at Human Rights Watch, said after Judge Gee’s ruling.

Judge Gee found the conditions the families were kept in to be unacceptable, and in violation of the so-called Flores agreement, reached in 1997. She said having locked doors, lights on 24 hours a day, and temperature spikes were all conditions that broke that agreement.

The administration argues the Flores agreement applied only to unaccompanied minors, not to children traveling with parents. And officials said the facilities have to be secure, and the lights have to be kept on, partly for the detainees’ safety.

But advocates had urged the administration to use the judge’s ruling as a chance for a break from past practices.

On Friday, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, who had joined the call for the administration to halt family detention, tweeted a message expressing his disappointment that they were fighting the case instead of accepting the judge’s order.

“The US is a welcoming, compassionate country yet we insist on jailing vulnerable women and children. Why didn’t @DHSgov #EndFamilyDetention?” Mr. O’Malley said in his tweet.

Human Rights First, another group, visited one of the detention facilities last week, just days after Judge Gee’s ruling, and said they found conditions had worsened, with ICE officers setting bonds too high for families to be able to meet. Human Rights Watch also disputed the government’s assertion that most mothers and children are being quickly released.

Before 2014, most mothers and children from Central America were usually quickly turned out onto the streets, in a practice the administration admitted was “informally known as ‘catch and release.’ ” Those illegal immigrants often never showed up for their deportation hearings, instead absconding and blending in with the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants already here.

With last year’s surge, however, ICE began to use detention, hoping to deter illegal immigrants who were flight risks. Officials also hoped that once folks back home saw their neighbors getting deported, it might prevent others from trying to make the same journey.

The administration now acknowledges it cannot use detention as a deterrent to others and has taken other steps to more quickly process illegal immigrant families, making initial asylum claim determinations much faster than in previous years, which reduces the time many of them remain in detention.

But officials told Judge Gee they need to detain families for at least a few days in order to make their determinations and conduct necessary health screenings.

The Justice Department asked for a hearing later in August to present more evidence to the court, hoping to convince her that she misread the situation and to change her preliminary ruling.

“The bottom line is that the court’s order is addressing a factual context that no longer exists (even assuming it did) and that does not apply to anyone currently housed at a family facility. Therefore, defendants request that the court reconsider its order and proposed remedy,” Mr. Mizer wrote.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/7/dhs-admits-new-surge-illegal-immigrant-families/

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Fri 08/07/15 09:00 PM
I really wish we would just start sending bills to the emigres home country.

A lot come from leftist leaning socialistic countries, so why not charge their health care and welfare programs for any health care or support we offer illegals that come here.

I'd be really happy with barless prison like structures erected to house alllllll of the illegal immigrants that cross over the borders.
Provide them food, shelter, clothing, education, medical care, and even put them through the standard naturalization process...all while sending the bill for all that to their home country, until they become actual citizens.

Kind of like our divorce laws. Home country alimony.

If a country won't pay, go to war and steal their stuff.
It seems we're already in a drug war with most of them anyway.

That's my fantasy for the day.

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Sat 08/08/15 12:46 AM
Did trump pay them before or after they crossed?
Alimony----- not in a million years. Bootsy Collins will be President before that happens.

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Sat 08/08/15 03:40 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sat 08/08/15 03:41 AM

Did trump pay them before or after they crossed?
Alimony----- not in a million years. Bootsy Collins will be President before that happens.


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Trump would probably offer to pay them to leave.
I would round them up & ship them out, by our own laws, already in place. Coming in illegally is a crime.
Obama set the stage for this, to attract MORE spock

Obama- Gives Clemency To Thousands Of Convicts.

http://m.mingle2.com/topic/show/438683/ July 17,2015

We all know how he ATTEMTED to pull on the heart strings of REAL Americans saying " This is about NOT breaking family's up " ... (You have posted that yourself), ... so of course MORE came. And keeping/ detaining them FIVE days or MORE, is just ANOTHER tactical move to give them residency, status ,a free ride, American rights & privileges & increase support for himself, (since he lost it with REAL Americans long, long ago).

Obama's database- Including Race

http://m.mingle2.com/topic/show/439124/

Pope's Visit Is Disturbing To Many

http://m.mingle2.com/topic/show/439349/
What are MOST South Americans?
Hispanic & Roman Catholics.
Where has the Pope spent most of his time?
South America.

Obama- I Could Win A Third Term

http://m.mingle2.com/topic/show/440141/

Hummm... Emperor For Life?
..... spock

If Black Americans are appropriately 12% & Native/ Original People 2%.... Who is the next minority, fighting for rights & power? Hint.... NOT Asian.
NON Americans/ South Americans. ?
And who is paying $, in more ways than one?

" It is about CHANGE " (Obama Quote)

Adios waving



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Sat 08/08/15 04:45 AM
Many will die in the summer heat.

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Sat 08/08/15 06:18 AM
you know what is happening
let everyone in
put them in HUD housing
give them a bridge card for food stamps
give the DHS assistance
and register them to vote

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Sat 08/08/15 06:25 AM

you know what is happening
let everyone in
put them in HUD housing
give them a bridge card for food stamps
give the DHS assistance
and register them to vote
woman, I think your on to something.

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Sat 08/08/15 06:36 AM
Edited by TMommy on Sat 08/08/15 06:39 AM
oh I forgot medicaid
public education
and free hot lunch


I may be wrong
but I doubt it
Latinos are largest growing group minorities
legalize em? they will vote democratic



hahaha...I should probably stay out of politics section
<<<<< friggin opinionated woman bigsmile

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Sat 08/08/15 06:55 AM
Well I sated it before.. in my town the illegals have taken over the entire west side of town ( the so called local socialites who own the houses rent them out.. per person.. make a mint)

They just opened a state of the art medical clinic.. a outreach clinic.. for Latinos... Illegals... no coverage.. no payment.. no questions asked... full medical services.. not some store front clinic.. A state of the art free standing facility.

All I see is a steady stream of Latino woman pushing baby strollers in there.

Me on the other hand have to pay a fortune for my coverage... and a huge deductible. And jump thru hoops to make sure I am " in network"

something's wrong here

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Sat 08/08/15 08:26 AM

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Sat 08/08/15 08:30 AM
Tmommy quote

and register them to vote democrate :thumbsup:

Be The People, by Dr Carol M.Swain, October 23,2014- 9 months ago

https://youtu.be/Icmij9sR5Fk/

She has a Phd in law, the author of at least 12 books, talk show...& many credits to her career. And she is black, beautiful & brilliant bigsmile

Obama & his administration have been saying there are 11.2-12 million undocumented immigrants, since 2009. what That is just not possible.

And 9 months ago,Obama said he wants 34 million (blank) green cards & work permits. what
* I googled my a@@ off, she is yelling the truth*
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IMO- Now, all he/ they need is a natural or man-made disaster or chaos (like a race war, or gun snatching, extraterials showed up, financial collapse, power outage = civil unrest), to declare Marshall Law.
The upcoming election would be null & void. And he remains President until....he/ they decided it was over.
* Yep... it could happen... *

"It's all about change "

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Sat 08/08/15 08:33 AM
Tmommy quote,


hahaha...I should probably stay out of politics section
<<<<< friggin opinionated woman

In the name of Truth, Justice & The (old) American way... please stay...!!!tears

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Sat 08/08/15 08:33 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Sat 08/08/15 08:39 AM
oops

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Sat 08/08/15 08:36 AM
sheeet man been trying to get around the two consecutive term limit since he got in office noway

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Sat 08/08/15 08:41 AM

sheeet man been trying to get around the two consecutive term limit since he got in office noway

Marshall Law, is the only way, him or anyone could.... legally. grumble