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Topic: How old is the earth?
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Tue 09/08/15 04:04 PM
You'll have to down-size the pictures, Metalwing.

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I'm aware of the various different categorises of rock.

There are those that have been heated and those that have been sluiced into layers with water.

The part that's a paradox is how often they're sitting side-by-each !

Just how gradual an event was that ?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/08/15 04:07 PM

You'll have to down-size the pictures, Metalwing.

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I'm aware of the various different categorises of rock.

There are those that have been heated and those that have been sluiced into layers with water.

The part that's a paradox is how often they're sitting side-by-each !

Just how gradual an event was that ?


4.5 billion years?

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Tue 09/08/15 04:09 PM
spock With fossils beneath them ?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/08/15 04:13 PM

spock With fossils beneath them ?


above, below, side by side... fossils are found in sedimentary rocks, because of the millions of years it takes to fossilize them... you won't find fossils in granite...

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Tue 09/08/15 04:17 PM
Not even Trilobites ?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/08/15 04:20 PM

Not even Trilobites ?


http://climbing.about.com/od/Mount-Everest/a/Geology-Of-Mount-Everest.htm

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Tue 09/08/15 04:33 PM


http://climbing.about.com/od/Mount-Everest/a/Geology-Of-Mount-Everest.htm

Yes, this is useful and it confirms what I've said, "They're there side-by-each."

metalwing's photo
Tue 09/08/15 10:53 PM

It has been my observation that certain elements aren't that compatibly put together.

Even in the most controlled industrial settings certain things don't easily get stuck to each other.

Kind of like lead-solder and cast-iron... They just don't go together that easily.

This is all I was trying to make a relative comparison with.

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The next time You go outside and find a rock like Pink, Grey, Green, or Black Granite and You also happen to have a nice streak of Quarts running through it, ask Yourself, "How the heck did that get there ?"


There is no mystery in the quartz seams. It is just a compressed layer of sand. River beds are full of them. A seam of sand in an otherwise thicker layer of gravel metamorphoses into granite with quartz layers. It's very common.

It took about 65 million years to raise the mountains by India crashing into Asia. It's still moving.

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Tue 09/08/15 11:58 PM
Read more here:

Age of the Universe


15 Billion Years or Six Days?

Today, we look back in time. We see 15 billion years. Looking forward from when the universe is very small - billions of times smaller - the Torah [The Bible] says six days. They both may be correct.

What's exciting about the last few years in cosmology is we now have quantified the data to know the relationship of the "view of time" from the beginning, relative to the "view of time" today. It's not science fiction any longer. Any one of a dozen physics text books all bring the same number. The general relationship between time near the beginning when stable matter formed from the light (the energy, the electromagnetic radiation of the creation) and time today is a million million, that is a trillion fold extension. That's a 1 with 12 zeros after it. It is a unit-less ratio. So when a view from the beginning looking forward says "I'm sending you a pulse every second," would we see it every second? No. We'd see it every million million seconds. Because that's the stretching effect of the expansion of the universe. In astronomy, the term is "red shift." Red shift in observed astronomical data is standard.

The Torah doesn't say every second, does it? It says Six Days. How would we see those six days? If the Torah says we're sending information for six days, would we receive that information as six days? No. We would receive that information as six million million days. Because the Torah's perspective is from the beginning looking forward.

Six million million days is a very interesting number. What would that be in years? Divide by 365 and it comes out to be 16 billion years. Essentially the estimate of the age of the universe. Not a bad guess for 3300 years ago.

The way these two figures match up is extraordinary. I'm not speaking as a theologian; I'm making a scientific claim. I didn't pull these numbers out of a hat. That's why I led up to the explanation very slowly, so you can follow it step-by-step.

Now we can go one step further. Let's look at the development of time, day-by-day, based on the expansion factor. Every time the universe doubles, the perception of time is cut in half. Now when the universe was small, it was doubling very rapidly. But as the universe gets bigger, the doubling time gets longer. This rate of expansion is quoted in "The Principles of Physical Cosmology," a textbook that is used literally around the world.

(In case you want to know, this exponential rate of expansion has a specific number averaged at 10 to the 12th power. That is in fact the temperature of quark confinement, when matter freezes out of the energy: 10.9 times 10 to the 12th power Kelvin degrees divided by (or the ratio to) the temperature of the universe today, 2.73 degrees. That's the initial ratio which changes exponentially as the universe expands.)

The calculations come out to be as follows:

1. The first of the Biblical days lasted 24 hours, viewed from the "beginning of time perspective." But the duration from our perspective was 8 billion years.

2. The second day, from the Bible's perspective lasted 24 hours. From our perspective it lasted half of the previous day, 4 billion years.

3. The third 24 hour day also included half of the previous day, 2 billion years.

4. The fourth 24 hour day - one billion years.

5. The fifth 24 hour day - one-half billion years.

6. The sixth 24 hour day - one-quarter billion years.

When you add up the Six Days, you get the age of the universe at 15 and 3/4 billion years. The same as modern cosmology. Is it by chance?

But there's more. The Bible goes out on a limb and tells you what happened on each of those days. Now you can take cosmology, paleontology, archaeology, and look at the history of the world, and see whether or not they match up day-by-day. And I'll give you a hint. They match up close enough to send chills up your spine.


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Fri 09/11/15 09:57 AM



There is no mystery in the quartz seams. It is just a compressed layer of sand. River beds are full of them. A seam of sand in an otherwise thicker layer of gravel metamorphoses into granite with quartz layers. It's very common.




By why doesn't gravity seem to play a role in any of these formations ?

These seams are heading-off in all directions, often in the same piece of rock only a few inches away.

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Fri 09/11/15 10:07 AM
Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Fri 09/11/15 10:10 AM

Read more here:

Age of the Universe


15 Billion Years or Six Days?

Today, we look back in time. We see 15 billion years. Looking forward from when the universe is very small - billions of times smaller - the Torah [The Bible] says six days. They both may be correct.

What's exciting about the last few years in cosmology is we now have quantified the data to know the relationship of the "view of time" from the beginning, relative to the "view of time" today. It's not science fiction any longer. Any one of a dozen physics text books all bring the same number. The general relationship between time near the beginning when stable matter formed from the light (the energy, the electromagnetic radiation of the creation) and time today is a million million, that is a trillion fold extension. That's a 1 with 12 zeros after it. It is a unit-less ratio. So when a view from the beginning looking forward says "I'm sending you a pulse every second," would we see it every second? No. We'd see it every million million seconds. Because that's the stretching effect of the expansion of the universe. In astronomy, the term is "red shift." Red shift in observed astronomical data is standard.

The Torah doesn't say every second, does it? It says Six Days. How would we see those six days? If the Torah says we're sending information for six days, would we receive that information as six days? No. We would receive that information as six million million days. Because the Torah's perspective is from the beginning looking forward.

Six million million days is a very interesting number. What would that be in years? Divide by 365 and it comes out to be 16 billion years. Essentially the estimate of the age of the universe. Not a bad guess for 3300 years ago.

The way these two figures match up is extraordinary. I'm not speaking as a theologian; I'm making a scientific claim. I didn't pull these numbers out of a hat. That's why I led up to the explanation very slowly, so you can follow it step-by-step.

Now we can go one step further. Let's look at the development of time, day-by-day, based on the expansion factor. Every time the universe doubles, the perception of time is cut in half. Now when the universe was small, it was doubling very rapidly. But as the universe gets bigger, the doubling time gets longer. This rate of expansion is quoted in "The Principles of Physical Cosmology," a textbook that is used literally around the world.

(In case you want to know, this exponential rate of expansion has a specific number averaged at 10 to the 12th power. That is in fact the temperature of quark confinement, when matter freezes out of the energy: 10.9 times 10 to the 12th power Kelvin degrees divided by (or the ratio to) the temperature of the universe today, 2.73 degrees. That's the initial ratio which changes exponentially as the universe expands.)

The calculations come out to be as follows:

1. The first of the Biblical days lasted 24 hours, viewed from the "beginning of time perspective." But the duration from our perspective was 8 billion years.

2. The second day, from the Bible's perspective lasted 24 hours. From our perspective it lasted half of the previous day, 4 billion years.

3. The third 24 hour day also included half of the previous day, 2 billion years.

4. The fourth 24 hour day - one billion years.

5. The fifth 24 hour day - one-half billion years.

6. The sixth 24 hour day - one-quarter billion years.

When you add up the Six Days, you get the age of the universe at 15 and 3/4 billion years. The same as modern cosmology. Is it by chance?

But there's more. The Bible goes out on a limb and tells you what happened on each of those days. Now you can take cosmology, paleontology, archaeology, and look at the history of the world, and see whether or not they match up day-by-day. And I'll give you a hint. They match up close enough to send chills up your spine.





These six inconsistent days of creation must of really tried the patience of the Angels.


I'm imagining a conversation among the Angels and Jinn, "What's God doing lately ?"

Response from another Angel,"yawn Oh, the same old, same old. (Sigh)"














AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 09/14/15 03:56 PM
Why sweat the small stuff? The Earth is older than me and younger than God.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 09/14/15 03:56 PM
Why sweat the small stuff? The Earth is older than me and younger than God.

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