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Topic: More than half of immigrants on welfare
msharmony's photo
Sat 09/05/15 07:37 PM
we have something like that here too

we have a card for which only FOOD may be purchased

we also have checks that can be cashed for any purpose that one must go through a work program to receive,,,it includes a monitored 20-25 hour dedication to work related activities,, either through documented and verfied work searches or through actual work/training at a government or not for profit office which is supposed to count as preparing for full time PAID work

Its how I received the whopping 300 check monthly when I was on assistance


the check comes from the government as part of the 'welfare' program so that these government offices don't have to pay a wage or benefit.

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Sat 09/05/15 08:08 PM
Edited by Pansytilly on Sat 09/05/15 08:13 PM


A family member of mine says that they hire immigrant workers because of their hard work, yes they get paid less and unfortunately don't know their work rights and are willing to do as they are told.

Most immigrant workers hired are those who stay here to work for a short period of time then go back to their country.




Many people choose to immigrate to another country for work and education purposes. They secure their visas accordingly and stay within the host country as long as the visa is not expired.
Host countries often advertise job openings for migrant workers because the country lacks a skilled workforce or just lacks cheap labor.
Schools have different reasons for advertising "study abroad programs" it can be because of money, or because of knowledge-sharing.

But nonetheless, these are legal procedures with proper documentation. Maybe with some "under the table" proceedings but usually advantageous to both parties.

What becomes problematic is when people go in illegally and/or with fake identities and/or overstay beyond the expiry of their visa. They are persona-non-grata. They hide out and get jobs that give them no security nor legal liability, hence they can either commit crimes in these "jobs", or they can be trafficked to do "jobs" by virtue of their non-status. They can also siphon resources that are intended for the welfare and benefit of citizens and legal migrants.
Bad experiences with any particular nationality or group such as the above, also makes the process more difficult for those wishing to immigrate legitimately and gainfully.

This is not the same as immigrants with refugee status and those seeking asylum as their stay in the host country is also processed and documented. But therein is where the confusion and overlap about this immigration issue also lies.

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Sat 09/05/15 09:49 PM

we have something like that here too

we have a card for which only FOOD may be purchased

we also have checks that can be cashed for any purpose that one must go through a work program to receive,,,it includes a monitored 20-25 hour dedication to work related activities,, either through documented and verfied work searches or through actual work/training at a government or not for profit office which is supposed to count as preparing for full time PAID work

Its how I received the whopping 300 check monthly when I was on assistance


the check comes from the government as part of the 'welfare' program so that these government offices don't have to pay a wage or benefit.




I am sorry to hear that it must have been very difficult. That really is not much to live off of.

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Sat 09/05/15 10:00 PM



A family member of mine says that they hire immigrant workers because of their hard work, yes they get paid less and unfortunately don't know their work rights and are willing to do as they are told.

Most immigrant workers hired are those who stay here to work for a short period of time then go back to their country.




Many people choose to immigrate to another country for work and education purposes. They secure their visas accordingly and stay within the host country as long as the visa is not expired.
Host countries often advertise job openings for migrant workers because the country lacks a skilled workforce or just lacks cheap labor.
Schools have different reasons for advertising "study abroad programs" it can be because of money, or because of knowledge-sharing.

But nonetheless, these are legal procedures with proper documentation. Maybe with some "under the table" proceedings but usually advantageous to both parties.

What becomes problematic is when people go in illegally and/or with fake identities and/or overstay beyond the expiry of their visa. They are persona-non-grata. They hide out and get jobs that give them no security nor legal liability, hence they can either commit crimes in these "jobs", or they can be trafficked to do "jobs" by virtue of their non-status. They can also siphon resources that are intended for the welfare and benefit of citizens and legal migrants.
Bad experiences with any particular nationality or group such as the above, also makes the process more difficult for those wishing to immigrate legitimately and gainfully.

This is not the same as immigrants with refugee status and those seeking asylum as their stay in the host country is also processed and documented. But therein is where the confusion and overlap about this immigration issue also lies.



There are people who are born and raised in their own country that work under the table all of the time and have been on the welfare system for years.

People take advantage of the system all of the time.It is frustrating.

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Sat 09/05/15 10:52 PM




A family member of mine says that they hire immigrant workers because of their hard work, yes they get paid less and unfortunately don't know their work rights and are willing to do as they are told.

Most immigrant workers hired are those who stay here to work for a short period of time then go back to their country.




Many people choose to immigrate to another country for work and education purposes. They secure their visas accordingly and stay within the host country as long as the visa is not expired.
Host countries often advertise job openings for migrant workers because the country lacks a skilled workforce or just lacks cheap labor.
Schools have different reasons for advertising "study abroad programs" it can be because of money, or because of knowledge-sharing.

But nonetheless, these are legal procedures with proper documentation. Maybe with some "under the table" proceedings but usually advantageous to both parties.

What becomes problematic is when people go in illegally and/or with fake identities and/or overstay beyond the expiry of their visa. They are persona-non-grata. They hide out and get jobs that give them no security nor legal liability, hence they can either commit crimes in these "jobs", or they can be trafficked to do "jobs" by virtue of their non-status. They can also siphon resources that are intended for the welfare and benefit of citizens and legal migrants.
Bad experiences with any particular nationality or group such as the above, also makes the process more difficult for those wishing to immigrate legitimately and gainfully.

This is not the same as immigrants with refugee status and those seeking asylum as their stay in the host country is also processed and documented. But therein is where the confusion and overlap about this immigration issue also lies.



There are people who are born and raised in their own country that work under the table all of the time and have been on the welfare system for years.

People take advantage of the system all of the time.It is frustrating.


That is true. Due process for citizens can take effect according to their respective legal system when under the table deals are made to expedite certain transactions.

But this becomes a burden if it is done by ones outside the legal system, not only to government systems, health systems, educational systems, law enforcement, and other resources, but also to the population itself affected by it.

The question of humanitarianism vs the law takes place -- Is it really non-humanitarian if the choice is between entitled benefits of legal entities vs aid to non legal entrants (which essentially warrants deportation and permanent non-entry)?

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Sun 09/06/15 06:00 AM
Edited by SM8 on Sun 09/06/15 06:07 AM
Then go wright complaints to the government. There seems to be a lot of topics on immigrants and refugees. Is there any thing else to talk about?

Rock's photo
Sun 09/06/15 04:21 PM
Immigration aside.

Ending the free ride,
will encourage ALL of the deadbeats on welfare, to actually work and make something of themselves.

Yeppers!
I said it.
Welfare recipient = deadbeat.

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/06/15 04:23 PM
yep, and then we can end the minimum wage and REALLY kiss corporate behind and the 'be happy with crumbs' mentality that keeps people working for next to nothing,,,,

1onlyaname's photo
Sun 09/06/15 04:33 PM
yep, and then we can end the minimum wage and REALLY kiss corporate behind and the 'be happy with crumbs' mentality that keeps people working for next to nothing,,,,

I like ur thinking minimum wage spending inflation creates a flat line for american workers. the value of their pay stays the same.

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Sun 09/06/15 04:33 PM



A family member of mine says that they hire immigrant workers because of their hard work, yes they get paid less and unfortunately don't know their work rights and are willing to do as they are told.

Most immigrant workers hired are those who stay here to work for a short period of time then go back to their country.




Many people choose to immigrate to another country for work and education purposes. They secure their visas accordingly and stay within the host country as long as the visa is not expired.
Host countries often advertise job openings for migrant workers because the country lacks a skilled workforce or just lacks cheap labor.
Schools have different reasons for advertising "study abroad programs" it can be because of money, or because of knowledge-sharing.

But nonetheless, these are legal procedures with proper documentation. Maybe with some "under the table" proceedings but usually advantageous to both parties.

What becomes problematic is when people go in illegally and/or with fake identities and/or overstay beyond the expiry of their visa. They are persona-non-grata. They hide out and get jobs that give them no security nor legal liability, hence they can either commit crimes in these "jobs", or they can be trafficked to do "jobs" by virtue of their non-status. They can also siphon resources that are intended for the welfare and benefit of citizens and legal migrants.
Bad experiences with any particular nationality or group such as the above, also makes the process more difficult for those wishing to immigrate legitimately and gainfully.

This is not the same as immigrants with refugee status and those seeking asylum as their stay in the host country is also processed and documented. But therein is where the confusion and overlap about this immigration issue also lies.


The main problem right now is what Trump brought up, "Anchor Babies".
They burden all social services here in Texico.:angry:

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Sun 09/06/15 04:41 PM

Immigration aside.

Ending the free ride,
will encourage ALL of the deadbeats on welfare, to actually work and make something of themselves.

Yeppers!
I said it.
Welfare recipient = deadbeat.



Welfare should be in place for those who really need the help. Some examples are people who are recently laid off, spousal abuse, work place injury and so on.


msharmony's photo
Sun 09/06/15 04:43 PM


Immigration aside.

Ending the free ride,
will encourage ALL of the deadbeats on welfare, to actually work and make something of themselves.

Yeppers!
I said it.
Welfare recipient = deadbeat.



Welfare should be in place for those who really need the help. Some examples are people who are recently laid off, spousal abuse, work place injury and so on.





for anyone who has fallen on hard times, with children,,,,especially

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Sun 09/06/15 04:52 PM



Immigration aside.

Ending the free ride,
will encourage ALL of the deadbeats on welfare, to actually work and make something of themselves.

Yeppers!
I said it.
Welfare recipient = deadbeat.



Welfare should be in place for those who really need the help. Some examples are people who are recently laid off, spousal abuse, work place injury and so on.





for anyone who has fallen on hard times, with children,,,,especially


I 100 percent agree with you there. Have two boys that depend on me :)

Rock's photo
Sun 09/06/15 08:01 PM


Immigration aside.

Ending the free ride,
will encourage ALL of the deadbeats on welfare, to actually work and make something of themselves.

Yeppers!
I said it.
Welfare recipient = deadbeat.



Welfare should be in place for those who really need the help. Some examples are people who are recently laid off, spousal abuse, work place injury and so on.




Well then...
*You* can support them.

There are innumerable excuses made
for continuing to aid and abet laziness.

The longer someone has been the beneficiary of taxpayer largess, the more excuses they'll have for it.

Truth is, anyone who refuses to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, amounts to them being nothing more than a leech on society.

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/06/15 08:03 PM



Immigration aside.

Ending the free ride,
will encourage ALL of the deadbeats on welfare, to actually work and make something of themselves.

Yeppers!
I said it.
Welfare recipient = deadbeat.



Welfare should be in place for those who really need the help. Some examples are people who are recently laid off, spousal abuse, work place injury and so on.




Well then...
*You* can support them.

There are innumerable excuses made
for continuing to aid and abet laziness.

The longer someone has been the beneficiary of taxpayer largess, the more excuses they'll have for it.

Truth is, anyone who refuses to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, amounts to them being nothing more than a leech on society.




there is a difference between 'refusing to' and 'needing time and resources to'


some people are left without even bootstraps,,,others who take their straps for granted find it hard to believe they exist,,,

no photo
Sun 09/06/15 09:25 PM




Immigration aside.

Ending the free ride,
will encourage ALL of the deadbeats on welfare, to actually work and make something of themselves.

Yeppers!
I said it.
Welfare recipient = deadbeat.



Welfare should be in place for those who really need the help. Some examples are people who are recently laid off, spousal abuse, work place injury and so on.




Well then...
*You* can support them.

There are innumerable excuses made
for continuing to aid and abet laziness.

The longer someone has been the beneficiary of taxpayer largess, the more excuses they'll have for it.

Truth is, anyone who refuses to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, amounts to them being nothing more than a leech on society.




there is a difference between 'refusing to' and 'needing time and resources to'


some people are left without even bootstraps,,,others who take their straps for granted find it hard to believe they exist,,,


Don't worry about it arguing with him will only go around in circles and or the link will eventually be locked.

Rock's photo
Mon 09/07/15 05:59 AM
Let the sponges starve.
Time to thin the herd anyway.

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