" Most people who stress the importance of brutal honesty, are only brutally honest and strict about SELECTIVE offenses. Why is brutal honesty so specifically targeted in one area and not on others? "

I look forward to the day when people not only point out the turds of others, but also get rid of their own turds. As it turns out, whether a turd comes from a liberal or non-liberal, ALL TURDS STINK

This made me giggle Moe.I like it and I agree with it . The Pc movement has gone too far, but ofcourse you already know we agree on this . I only mentioned that fact about 5 times in this thread

it was just for you... i think the whole of PC is just silly, so i joke about it

" Most people who stress the importance of brutal honesty, are only brutally honest and strict about SELECTIVE offenses. Why is brutal honesty so specifically targeted in one area and not on others? "

I look forward to the day when people not only point out the turds of others, but also get rid of their own turds. As it turns out, whether a turd comes from a liberal or non-liberal, ALL TURDS STINK


Please elaborate...?

Well I agree it has gone to both dangerous and silly extremes .You are not gonna get disagreement from me there. And I enjoy a good laugh over it myself , when its a trite example like that. I dont even find that offensive. It's not gonna stop me from lobbying for balance or u lobbying for your cause, but there are a few things we can agree on and this is one if them

both sides get pretty silly, but i'm still for just stopping altogether...insensitive people will get theirs, and people that are too sensitive will learn to laugh at it more

Wait a minute... Did you just say that BOTH sides get pretty silly? Did Moe just publicly admit that the liberal rhetoric is anything short of perfection. ???? OMG !!! Im swooning with delight .Is it hot in here???

if you're saying i'm in any way glorifying any liberal, you're sadly mistaken...

Ooops!!! I made a mistake.lol I meant to say conservative logic which would have completely changed the whole meaning of what you just read.

I was trying to imply in a cheeky way that by you saying that both sides were pretty silly, we were at least agreeing that both liberal and non-liberal. rhetorics are flawed in some ways. I personally feel no shame or ambivalence in admitting that liberal ideology is flawed. . . I am curious as to why you are so ambivalent to admit something so basic and obvious about non liberal logic as well. That being said, u are under no obligation to explain such ambivalence to anyone and I respect that.

Secondly, i have noticed several times in this thread that you have drastically misinterpreted sentiments that were so clearly expressed by Igor and myself ,when neither of us were singling out conservative logic as wretched, or glorifying liberal logic as perfect. Both of us were addressing extremist attitudes in BOTH liberal and conservative ideals.

Although you repeatedly accuse liberals of being blinded by their logic Moe, I personally have seen your own ideological bias totally warp your interpretation of what I was saying in this thread . And I know your style well enough to know that you might choose to deflect from addressing what I just said by either declaring you dont need to explain yourself, and then encourage me to focus on my own ideals , which I am actually quite happy to do. I also wouldnt be surprised if you try to deflect from the observation I made abiut you by showcasing all the holes in liberal logic.. But I am not a biased or irrational person Moe. It is not my nature. And I am addressing you in the capacity of a person(not a liberal ) and I am telling you Moe, the person,(not the conservative )that in this thread , you have been allowing your biases to warp your interpretation of what I am saying . And deflecting from what I just said in tyoical Moe fashion will only lead to you making irelevant rants about liberalism when .I am.addressing a very specific behavior about YOU.

i'm not conservative, i just hate liberals... they piss me off more than repubs...

Its cool to be opinionated Moe. Many of us in these threads are, but I am saying that it has reached to the extreme of you allowing your ideals to warp your interpretation of what I say . Does that only apply to you? No it doesnt.But right now I am specifically addressing you

nothing is being warped, i just won't listen to liberal points of view... if i interpret it to be liberal, then i'm against it... even if it's something someone doesn't see as liberal, i still do...

And that's my point Moe. Because you weren't listening, you were interpreting stimulus that wasn't even there, and you did it repeatedly with 2 separate unbiased people , so yes . I would consider that a warped interpretation. You like me , are inclined to engage in debates/discussions for the duration of several pages long after other people have abandoned the thread. What's the point in engaging in communication for so long , when you are rapidly losing your ability to listen and to interpret information objectively especially when you are a big endorser of logic and objective thinking yourself? Anyways this is unimportant. I just thought I would raise this with you because you have repeatedly attacked other people's logic on the basis of their bias towards liberalism . I thought I would just sensitize you to the fact that you are no different in that regard.

" Most people who stress the importance of brutal honesty, are only brutally honest and strict about SELECTIVE offenses. Why is brutal honesty so specifically targeted in one area and not on others? "

I look forward to the day when people not only point out the turds of others, but also get rid of their own turds. As it turns out, whether a turd comes from a liberal or non-liberal, ALL TURDS STINK


Please elaborate...?





My elaboration of that is in the second posting column of page 3 in this thread. If you have the time /interest to read it, and comment on it, please feel free to do so Valeris . Welcome to the thread

your liberalness is peaking out...so please continue to write about my faults, even tho i'm not paying attention... so you think i should listen to liberal babble with an open mind? i'll let you answer that after you think about it for a few...

your liberalness is peaking out...so please continue to write about my faults, even tho i'm not paying attention... so you think i should listen to liberal babble with an open mind? i'll let you answer that after you think about it for a few...






The skill of listening and interpreting information in a relatively unbiased way has nothing to do with being a liberal or non-liberal. It doesn't even relate to the topic of political correctness. You yourself, repetitively accuse people of NOT having that skill. You could at least ensure that you have that skill first , before accusing others of NOT having it. This is me making a brutally honest observation of you , putting all politics aside, because listening with an objective mindset is NOT a politically related skill. I am sorry if that sounds judgmental of me to say, but that is the down side of the brutal honesty, which you so vigorously endorse. When one is being brutally honest towards one specific person or a specific group, as I am doing with YOU here and not balancing the honesty by addressing other people with flaws including MYSELF who is terribly flawed as well, the brutal honesty comes across as judgmental, selective, biased and unfair .

And this goes back to what I said earlier about the principle of brutal honesty. Many of the people who endorse BRUTAL HONESTY often excercise that principle once it is NOT aimed at THEM or at the topics that THEY hold dear.The brutal honesty that is vigourosly endorsed by some, is selective about its targets. You in your brutal honesty ,accuse others of not listening with an unbiased ear and ofcourse that is fine , but when someone else is brutally honest in pointing out blatant and repetitive evidence of you doing the exact same thing that you accuse others of doing, look at the reaction. The cannon of brutal honesty is very selective about who it will target . Brutal honesty is often SELECTIVE AND BIASED.

I will say this again to eclipse the tirade of insults towards liberalism which is likely to be the response to what I just raised . I repeat...

The skill of listening and interpreting information in a relatively unbiased way has nothing to do with being a liberal or non-liberal. You yourself repetitively accuse people of NOT having that skill. You could at least ensure that you have that skill first , before accusing others of NOT having it.

You are not obligated to defend or explain anything to me just because I made a brutally honest observation about your actions. You can post up 100 more posters or jokes about political correctness or you can insult liberal rhetoric in typical Moe fashion, but it will only lead to you making IRRELEVANT rants about liberalism when at this moment , I am SPECIFICALLY addressing the behavior of unbiased listening and brutal honesty, which is NOT a political issue.

Sorry for interrupting your cause. Please carry on with your irrelevant posters