I have studied all the facts, and all the pros and cons of this issue. I have tried to be fair in construing this proposal (which probably will never get nowhere but this forum), and this is what I've come up:

PROPOSALS:
1. Secure the borders, in a fair and effective manner.

2. Give amnesty to the people who are already here, after an exhaustive screening here, and in their country. And after a very heavy and strong fine.

3. Start charging taxes to them immidiately, plus they need to pay a retroactive tax based upon of the amount of years that they have been here and all the years they have been paid under the table.

4. Strongly sanction and fine those employers that gave jobs to illegals along the years.

5. Avoid no matter what, states and cities to enact laws against illegals because they would be entering federal grounds, and most of all as always this will generate hate.

6. Make immigratory policies in US embassies and consulates in foreign countries more fair and easy to access, and most of all based upon in the labor requirements of this country.

7. Start making more fair trade policies with the countries of Latin America in order to generate new and better jobs overthere, so people there don't feel so strongly pushed to come here.

RATIONALE OF THE PROPOSALS.
1. As I have acknowledge several times crossing the border illegally is not right, so I'm pro the idea to secure the border, but not through a wall. It has to be done by the specific federal authorities. And it has to be done with respect to the human life. They have to aprehend anybody who is trying to cross the border, and simply put them back.

2, 3, and 4. They are basically based upon the idea that they have commited an offense that no matter what has to be punished. But this punishment has to be financial because this is a civil offense no matter what. Other than that what this country needs the more is revenue, and if we seriously think about the numbers, we will easily see how profitable for this country would be charge fines and start taxing this individuals.
The other point here, is that we want just productive people in this country, so if this illegals have any kind of criminal background (other than crossing the border) whether here or in their country well they need to be deported immidiately. However, hard workers who are being a great input to this country should stay, and keep contributing to the financial health of USA.

5. The idea in this point is that we can't allow a conflict in the law. And most of all avoid hate. We have seen through the years how bias the local police can be, so let's not give them the right to abuse and hate these people.

6. I know at first hand how idiotical can be the personnel in US embassies and consulates in foreign countries. Plus the immigratory process is so slow and expensive that it's just not worth for an individual who makes around 300 dollars a month (with luck).

7. The most important of all the ideas proposed here. It's try to make the illegals countries of origin more attractive to them, so they don't have the urgency to come here. In order to do such a thing this government must stop being so greedy. Buying raw materials at rotten egg prices, and then selling back final products at outrageous prices. Or taxing Latin American companies in order to put their products in the USA market. An example in point are the tuna exporters from Ecuador (my country) they are the most sanctioned companies that put tuna here. (StarKist is maiden in my town).
In this manner the companies based in Latin America are able to create better paid jobs that will keep people in their countries instead of coming here.



Very truly yours,

Miguel Cordova a.k.a TLW

future representative (I don't know what am I going to represent, but I promise you that I will represent something in the future)

interesting..i'll take a look at this soon, when i have a bit more free time.

Makes a lot of sense to me.



Bravo Miguel

well you certainly have the right idea.
but i don't understand why 99% of Americans agree with you yet nothing gets done.

Very good!

2. Give amnesty to the people who are already here, after an exhaustive screening here, and in their country. And after a very heavy and strong fine.

This is the only part I don't agree with.

Saying again. One big reason the choose to pass Illegally is because, where they are from, they have a criminal history, thereby making them ineligible.

I would suggest, the Illegals that would turn themselves in voluntarily, not be charged with a felony, deported and given the opportunity to to apply for Legal Temporary Worker Status.

Ms gurlgmr, quoted,
well you certainly have the right idea.
but i don't understand why 99% of Americans agree with you yet nothing gets done.

I, for one would like to see a factual reference stating 99% agree. Do you have one?

That is interesting. Here is an alternate proposal.

1) Give "amnesty" to people residing in the u.s. who are not committing and have not committed violent crimes.

2) Enforce existing tax law as well as possible.

3) Strongly penalize employers who are not properly managing their tax issues (present tax law).

4) Do not interfere with state policies.

5) Allow all foreigners U.S. residency provided they are not convicted or currently indicted for a violent crime or fraud.

Rationale:

The U.S. population is aging. For continued growth (and support of existing programs) additional members are required, especially the young, fertile, and optimistic. Labor should flow as freely as goods, capital, and ideas.

Support freedom of speech, freedom to spend, freedom to horde or invest, and freedom to move. Support it unilaterally

I agree with that anemail but i would add that they would have to have resided in this country for at least five years ...

Walker...it makes too much sense and easy to follow and understand...it won't ever make it in Congress, theres no loopholes, vague wording, etc.

I do like the ideas you brought up tho

To hell with amnesty, you don't reward people with citizenship for comitting a felony by entering this country illegally. I guess by your way of thinking, giving amnesty to car theives would solve the car theft problem too.

It will never happen Miquel....

Give no amnesty!

Prosecute with heavy fines anyone who hires or rents to illegals! (This will secure the border!)

Round up all illegals and ship their law breaking, tax sucking, wage undercutting asses home!

This would be easy. 70% of them could be rounded up at the state health department, 25% at the local flea-market, and the rest at the courthouse!

Make No Shake-n-Bake American!!!

Anemal, The US already has the largest immigration of any country on earth! Legal and controlled to do what you just said!!! (therefore what you said is already being done!)

The US has a 17% legal immigration policy. That is 17% of almost 400 million a year! That is plenty!

And before you start, the US already has a Temporary work visa program. It is based on requests by the Ag industry estimates for labor needs. Submitted annually, we dont need the labor of illegal immigration.

We will not have a shortage of ag workers picking tomatos, harvesting crops, or processing chicken and seafood. The US already has a waiting list for temporary workers to do these jobs. We turn down more than are needed every year!

Do you want to start another bleeding heart reunion Walker?

Nice perspective, but I cant see #3 being carried out effectively or at all. We cannot get American's with SS cards to pay for retroactive tax evation now for monies made under the table.

Nice thinking though...and good luck with #2

Fanta,
Here are the Immigration numbers for just 1 year.

These are the numbers for 2006. People coming in from all over the world. Ref.DHS.gov, statistics
Admitted Legal residents 1,266,264
Naturalized 702,000
Refugees 70,000
Seasonal Workers 180,000

Those people came in the Lawful way. The Legal Seasonal workers are readmitted and come over to the same jobs year after year.

It's the Illegals who are straining our resources not the Legals..

it's funny. out of like 15 posters just 3 had negative inputs.
If i make an extrapolation that gives me a good idea of how the North Americans feel about this issue.
Just two comments for gardenforge:
1) The only reason why Rome fell was the pride of the Romans, and not the constant and merciless attacks of the barbarian nations.

2)Senility it's not a physical state, but the mental state of closing our minds to new possibilities.

Fanta46:

I see no purpose in sending 'illegals' to 'home.' I agree that the way to 'secure the border' in the sense of stemming the flow of illegal immigration is to prosecute employers (landlords is much weaker). The idea that the border will actually be more secure is ludicrous, however. This disincentive only dissuades those who want to enter the country for the purpose of economic betterment. Those who want to enter for more nefarious reasons are not necessarily dissuaded by this.

That, for example, the H-1B visas are *all* consumed on the day they become available (actually before, but this is semantic) is indicative that we are *not* admitting enough foreign labor. I have no idea where your 17% number derives as 1% is much closer to the mark.

And *why* do we place this artificial restriction on the behavior of people? Who benefits from this? What good does it do? When people are free to engage in economic activity that they *believe* benefits them, all of society benefits.

Btw, I've got a used toaster if you want it, and I can make a mean chili. My beer is highly appreciated by some Belgians (who don't exist) and a couple Brazilians. I enjoy Hawaiian coffee and Japanese motorcycles. Why buy Chinese labor from China when you can buy it (or Mexican) from Los Angeles? Care to let freedom truly ring?

I love chili

As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than any other country in the world. In 2006, the number of immigrants totaled 37.5 million.

1% were nationalized in 2006! Thats after the 10 year waiting period!!!The legal way!

U.S. 303,253,434 Divided by 37,500,000 equals 8.08%!!!

I read 17% somewhere, but those are the INS numbers!!