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Topic: Torture For Terrorists ?
IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sat 04/02/16 02:03 PM
Try reading it again. It wasn't addressed to you anyway. If you still don't understand, then you'll either have to ask a more specific question, or give up. I think it's very clear.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 04/02/16 02:04 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 04/02/16 02:06 PM

Try reading it again. It wasn't addressed to you anyway. If you still don't understand, then you'll either have to ask a more specific question, or give up. I think it's very clear.
noway whoa slaphead
so,you make new Forum-Rules?
I must post only to Posts addressed to me?:laughing:
Clear as Apples and Oranges,yes!

metalwing's photo
Sat 04/02/16 03:18 PM


The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.


First of all, please explain this total non sequitur:

"The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form."

Nothing that you said before that, has anything at all to do with Iran. So what in the world are you talking about them suddenly for?

As for the rest of it...

The Geneva and other related accords do NOT say "on the other hand, if the other guy misbehaves first, then all bets are off, and you can do whatever you like."

So your argument that because terrorists (which are NOT defined by anyone save those being attacked) are not directly specified as combatants or innocents under the accords, that we can pretend WE aren't obligated to behave according to the laws, is completely false.

I know it feels good to pretend you can be immoral as long as you are the SECOND person to do it, but really, that's something most people should have learned is BS, by the time they became adults.

After all, it's against the law to steal. If someone steals from you, however, you are NOT allowed to therefore go to their place and steal from THEM. If someone kills your friend, it is NOT legal for you to go to their home and kill them in cold blood. If someone abuses your child, it is NOT okay in any sense at all, for you to abuse theirs.


You should look up the definition of "non sequitur".

The post is about appropriate response to terrorism. It is also about asymmetric warfare. Iran is the largest, most well known, and overall worst sponsor of terrorism in the world. They, by definition, are engaging in asymmetric warfare (I guess you need to look that up too!) by supplying the food, shelter, money, training, and weapons to the terrorists (do you see the connection now?). Iran and the other sponsors of terrorism are engaging in war with the Western World without following the rules of the Geneva Convention by seeking out weakness and exploiting them in the most murderous ways possible. They hide in schools and Mosques, store weapons in hospitals, attack by blowing up civilians. The 'normal' rules of war should not apply to those who do not abide by them.

Just because you don't understand a post doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Iran is a monster and should be treated as one. The terrorist groups who are rampaging across the Middle East and parts of Africa should be exterminated as vermin. Don't see a connection? Many do.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sat 04/02/16 03:57 PM



The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.


First of all, please explain this total non sequitur:

"The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form."

Nothing that you said before that, has anything at all to do with Iran. So what in the world are you talking about them suddenly for?

As for the rest of it...

The Geneva and other related accords do NOT say "on the other hand, if the other guy misbehaves first, then all bets are off, and you can do whatever you like."

So your argument that because terrorists (which are NOT defined by anyone save those being attacked) are not directly specified as combatants or innocents under the accords, that we can pretend WE aren't obligated to behave according to the laws, is completely false.

I know it feels good to pretend you can be immoral as long as you are the SECOND person to do it, but really, that's something most people should have learned is BS, by the time they became adults.

After all, it's against the law to steal. If someone steals from you, however, you are NOT allowed to therefore go to their place and steal from THEM. If someone kills your friend, it is NOT legal for you to go to their home and kill them in cold blood. If someone abuses your child, it is NOT okay in any sense at all, for you to abuse theirs.


You should look up the definition of "non sequitur".

The post is about appropriate response to terrorism. It is also about asymmetric warfare. Iran is the largest, most well known, and overall worst sponsor of terrorism in the world. They, by definition, are engaging in asymmetric warfare (I guess you need to look that up too!) by supplying the food, shelter, money, training, and weapons to the terrorists (do you see the connection now?). Iran and the other sponsors of terrorism are engaging in war with the Western World without following the rules of the Geneva Convention by seeking out weakness and exploiting them in the most murderous ways possible. They hide in schools and Mosques, store weapons in hospitals, attack by blowing up civilians. The 'normal' rules of war should not apply to those who do not abide by them.

Just because you don't understand a post doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Iran is a monster and should be treated as one. The terrorist groups who are rampaging across the Middle East and parts of Africa should be exterminated as vermin. Don't see a connection? Many do.


You made no mention of Iran in your opening remarks about terrorism.

You laid zero groundwork, such as accusing Iran of either sponsoring terror, or of supporting asymmetric warfare methods. That is why your post included a no sequitur.

Thank you for correcting your error, after the fact, as I requested.

By the way, if YOU actually look up the meaning of non sequitur, you will learn that it does NOT mean "therefore the statement is false," it simply means that the writer failed, within their narrative, to prepare in any way for the statements made.

So your sarcasm is both inaccurate and misguided.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.


Again. This does NOT answer what I pointed out. The conventions DO NOT support your contention that torture and other terrorist acts, nor any of the other acts which they declare are not to be done, are okay in response to someone else doing them.

If you want to proclaim that you support entirely relative morality, and no rule of law, that's fine. Just don't pretend you are doing something else while you do so.

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Sat 04/02/16 04:06 PM

mightymoe's photo
Sat 04/02/16 04:22 PM

For all you who hate or fear Muslims ..the Isis propaganda is working on you k bye.


not "ISIS" propaganda, US liberal propaganda...

no photo
Sat 04/02/16 04:43 PM

For all you who hate or fear Muslims ..the Isis propaganda is working on you k bye.


NO ONE mentioned Muslims, until this post. spock

metalwing's photo
Sat 04/02/16 04:52 PM




The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.


First of all, please explain this total non sequitur:

"The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form."

Nothing that you said before that, has anything at all to do with Iran. So what in the world are you talking about them suddenly for?

As for the rest of it...

The Geneva and other related accords do NOT say "on the other hand, if the other guy misbehaves first, then all bets are off, and you can do whatever you like."

So your argument that because terrorists (which are NOT defined by anyone save those being attacked) are not directly specified as combatants or innocents under the accords, that we can pretend WE aren't obligated to behave according to the laws, is completely false.

I know it feels good to pretend you can be immoral as long as you are the SECOND person to do it, but really, that's something most people should have learned is BS, by the time they became adults.

After all, it's against the law to steal. If someone steals from you, however, you are NOT allowed to therefore go to their place and steal from THEM. If someone kills your friend, it is NOT legal for you to go to their home and kill them in cold blood. If someone abuses your child, it is NOT okay in any sense at all, for you to abuse theirs.


You should look up the definition of "non sequitur".

The post is about appropriate response to terrorism. It is also about asymmetric warfare. Iran is the largest, most well known, and overall worst sponsor of terrorism in the world. They, by definition, are engaging in asymmetric warfare (I guess you need to look that up too!) by supplying the food, shelter, money, training, and weapons to the terrorists (do you see the connection now?). Iran and the other sponsors of terrorism are engaging in war with the Western World without following the rules of the Geneva Convention by seeking out weakness and exploiting them in the most murderous ways possible. They hide in schools and Mosques, store weapons in hospitals, attack by blowing up civilians. The 'normal' rules of war should not apply to those who do not abide by them.

Just because you don't understand a post doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Iran is a monster and should be treated as one. The terrorist groups who are rampaging across the Middle East and parts of Africa should be exterminated as vermin. Don't see a connection? Many do.


You made no mention of Iran in your opening remarks about terrorism.

You laid zero groundwork, such as accusing Iran of either sponsoring terror, or of supporting asymmetric warfare methods. That is why your post included a no sequitur.

Thank you for correcting your error, after the fact, as I requested.

By the way, if YOU actually look up the meaning of non sequitur, you will learn that it does NOT mean "therefore the statement is false," it simply means that the writer failed, within their narrative, to prepare in any way for the statements made.

So your sarcasm is both inaccurate and misguided.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.


Again. This does NOT answer what I pointed out. The conventions DO NOT support your contention that torture and other terrorist acts, nor any of the other acts which they declare are not to be done, are okay in response to someone else doing them.

If you want to proclaim that you support entirely relative morality, and no rule of law, that's fine. Just don't pretend you are doing something else while you do so.


You not seeing the connections in my post does not mean they aren't there. Your lack of knowledge of Iran's finger in terrorism doesn't mean it isn't there ... it's knowledge widely known (which eliminates the non-sequitur). It's so easy to demand proof to support a position than any educated person should be well versed. You made no points, just mistakes. My post is accurate in fact and my opinions are shared by many.

And BTW, you putting words into my post that don't exist are the purest form of intellectual dishonesty. The reality is that the Geneva Convention exceptions easily put a death sentence on most terrorism.

That is the rule of law.

Kindlightheart's photo
Sat 04/02/16 05:46 PM
If anyone feels the need to torture terrorists...send them my way... flowerforyou

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sat 04/02/16 06:31 PM


Try reading it again. It wasn't addressed to you anyway. If you still don't understand, then you'll either have to ask a more specific question, or give up. I think it's very clear.
noway whoa slaphead
so,you make new Forum-Rules?
I must post only to Posts addressed to me?:laughing:
Clear as Apples and Oranges,yes!


Again, this shows you didn't read or understand the very simple sentences I wrote.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sat 04/02/16 06:43 PM





The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.


First of all, please explain this total non sequitur:

"The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form."

Nothing that you said before that, has anything at all to do with Iran. So what in the world are you talking about them suddenly for?

As for the rest of it...

The Geneva and other related accords do NOT say "on the other hand, if the other guy misbehaves first, then all bets are off, and you can do whatever you like."

So your argument that because terrorists (which are NOT defined by anyone save those being attacked) are not directly specified as combatants or innocents under the accords, that we can pretend WE aren't obligated to behave according to the laws, is completely false.

I know it feels good to pretend you can be immoral as long as you are the SECOND person to do it, but really, that's something most people should have learned is BS, by the time they became adults.

After all, it's against the law to steal. If someone steals from you, however, you are NOT allowed to therefore go to their place and steal from THEM. If someone kills your friend, it is NOT legal for you to go to their home and kill them in cold blood. If someone abuses your child, it is NOT okay in any sense at all, for you to abuse theirs.


You should look up the definition of "non sequitur".

The post is about appropriate response to terrorism. It is also about asymmetric warfare. Iran is the largest, most well known, and overall worst sponsor of terrorism in the world. They, by definition, are engaging in asymmetric warfare (I guess you need to look that up too!) by supplying the food, shelter, money, training, and weapons to the terrorists (do you see the connection now?). Iran and the other sponsors of terrorism are engaging in war with the Western World without following the rules of the Geneva Convention by seeking out weakness and exploiting them in the most murderous ways possible. They hide in schools and Mosques, store weapons in hospitals, attack by blowing up civilians. The 'normal' rules of war should not apply to those who do not abide by them.

Just because you don't understand a post doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Iran is a monster and should be treated as one. The terrorist groups who are rampaging across the Middle East and parts of Africa should be exterminated as vermin. Don't see a connection? Many do.


You made no mention of Iran in your opening remarks about terrorism.

You laid zero groundwork, such as accusing Iran of either sponsoring terror, or of supporting asymmetric warfare methods. That is why your post included a no sequitur.

Thank you for correcting your error, after the fact, as I requested.

By the way, if YOU actually look up the meaning of non sequitur, you will learn that it does NOT mean "therefore the statement is false," it simply means that the writer failed, within their narrative, to prepare in any way for the statements made.

So your sarcasm is both inaccurate and misguided.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.


Again. This does NOT answer what I pointed out. The conventions DO NOT support your contention that torture and other terrorist acts, nor any of the other acts which they declare are not to be done, are okay in response to someone else doing them.

If you want to proclaim that you support entirely relative morality, and no rule of law, that's fine. Just don't pretend you are doing something else while you do so.


You not seeing the connections in my post does not mean they aren't there. Your lack of knowledge of Iran's finger in terrorism doesn't mean it isn't there ... it's knowledge widely known (which eliminates the non-sequitur). It's so easy to demand proof to support a position than any educated person should be well versed. You made no points, just mistakes. My post is accurate in fact and my opinions are shared by many.

And BTW, you putting words into my post that don't exist are the purest form of intellectual dishonesty. The reality is that the Geneva Convention exceptions easily put a death sentence on most terrorism.

That is the rule of law.


Again, you are incorrect. In terms of how English works, and how logic works, and how a non sequitur occurs.

It's simple. If you DO say something, then the statements are there. If you DON'T say something, then they are not.

Anyway, you clearly don't care whether or not you said what you thought you said or not, so lets drop it.

I put NO words into your post, however. You said what you did. You said that torture is okay for US to do, because the terrorists are nasty. You tried to justify our side discarding our own morality and international principles on a technicality, or because terrorists don't follow our rules.

That is called relative morality. You advocate it. Your morality DEPENDS on everyone else behaving as you say they should.


Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/03/16 01:56 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 04/03/16 01:58 AM



Try reading it again. It wasn't addressed to you anyway. If you still don't understand, then you'll either have to ask a more specific question, or give up. I think it's very clear.
noway whoa slaphead
so,you make new Forum-Rules?
I must post only to Posts addressed to me?:laughing:
Clear as Apples and Oranges,yes!


Again, this shows you didn't read or understand the very simple sentences I wrote.
slaphead
Might appear clear to you,no matter how convoluted your "Logic"!

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/03/16 02:08 AM

The Geneva Convention was used to put in place "rules for warfare" that were to be shared by civilized nations in actual warfare. The rules were never meant to apply to criminals or terrorists. Even then, there were exceptions specifically given for treatment of those playing "outside the rules". If, for example, you were caught in the act of spying or warfare without a uniform, you could just be shot ... end of story.

Terrorists play by a different set of rules called "asymmetric warfare". They play to the weakness of the rules of whoever they attach. Civilians are fair game as are women and children. Poison of any kind, weapons of any kind, and religious targets are fair game.

To expect one to use the rules of the Geneva Convention to apply to one side but not to the other is to defend oneself with one hand tied behind your back.

Terrorists do not exist in a vacuum. They are fed, housed, financed, and equipped by a different type of terrorist who doesn't actually pull the trigger. All of which need to be identified and dealt with harshly.

The nation of Iran, for example, should not be allowed to exist in it's present form.
with all the add-ons by the UN and the EU,the Prisoner in effect controls the Interrogation!
It's basically a Nine-to-Five affair!
No odd Hours,don't disturb the Prisoner at his Meals,heck,don't let the Interrogation go beyond a friendly Chat!

Besides,those new additions have made it near impossible to declare anyone an Unlawful Combatant!

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