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Topic: The FDA is stockpiling military weapons
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/26/16 07:31 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 06/26/16 07:40 AM
America’s gun culture has been a subject of intense interest and controversy for years, with concerns frequently raised about shadowy militias, paramilitary extremists, and unstable zealots in possession of alarming quantities of explosives and firearms.

Amid the current din over assault weapons and body armor, consider one domestic organization’s fearsome arsenal of military-style equipment.

In the space of eight years, the group amassed a stockpile of pistols, shotguns, and semiautomatic rifles, along with ample supplies of ammunition, liquid explosives, gun scopes, and suppressors. In its cache as well are night-vision goggles, gas cannons, plus armored vests, drones, and surveillance equipment. Between 2006 and 2014, this organization spent nearly $4.8 million to arm itself. Yet its aggressive weapons buildup has drawn almost no public attention.

Does all this firepower belong to a jihadist terror cell? A right-wing hate group? A vicious urban gang?

None of the above. It is the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, an agency of the US Department of Agriculture, that has built up such a formidable collection of munitions. And far from being an outlier, it is one of dozens of federal agencies that spends lavishly on guns, ammunition, and military-style equipment.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/06/25/the-fda-stockpiling-military-weapons-and-not-alone/iGbHhnnkTbsSMnnO23obiI/story.html




Conrad_73's photo
Sun 06/26/16 07:40 AM
they all do,all of the Federal Agencies!grumble

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Sun 06/26/16 10:26 AM
They piling all those weapons for an imminent war devil

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Sun 06/26/16 10:28 AM

they all do,all of the Federal Agencies!grumble


Even the post office has.. For approximately 2-3 years.

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Sun 06/26/16 10:29 AM

They piling all those weapons for an imminent war devil


NO spock

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 06/26/16 10:34 AM

They piling all those weapons for an imminent war devil


Yeah, like an American Brexit by the states under the 10th amendment?

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 06/26/16 12:14 PM
Any relationship between this, and the increasing threat as well as incidents of domestic terror? Each agency has to deal with it's own security after all.

There have been attacks on the IRS, on post office personnel, on Museums, on veterans organizations, and more.

I'm not suggesting that everyone involved is making the right choices, but it's either have them able to defend themselves, or establish a new domestic security branch of the government to do it for them.

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Sun 06/26/16 01:21 PM

Any relationship between this, and the increasing threat as well as incidents of domestic terror? Each agency has to deal with it's own security after all.

There have been attacks on the IRS, on post office personnel, on Museums, on veterans organizations, and more.

I'm not suggesting that everyone involved is making the right choices, but it's either have them able to defend themselves, or establish a new domestic security branch of the government to do it for them.

By having a separate Armed Forces?
The Stockpiling is in no proportion to their Security-Requirements!
I suggest you have a look what all they are stockpiling!
Sheesh!slaphead

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Sun 06/26/16 01:49 PM
I suppose what I am ultimately getting at, is that I have come to be extra cautious about jumping to conclusions over the years, especially with how the internet has come to so heavily influence what is and isn't brought out as "news."

It's not so much that people lie (they certainly do), as that we've seen an explosion of the basic, most common "news" motivation, of getting people excited, even before all the facts are in.

In this case, for example, we have the claims about this odd assortment of weapons, but if you look carefully, you find no specifics for each department. Only general statements, saying that such and such weapons were ordered or "stockpiled" by SOMEONE, but we don't know exactly who.

The story also fails to include anything but questions about the weapons, no sign that the reporters have investigated or discovered what reasons were given for the choices made. No details on where they have been "stockpiled," or how. So no indication of what is intended, just suspicious allegations.


There's at least one more shoe to drop with this, and we wont actually know what's going on, if anything, until it does.

By all means, questions need to be asked.

"Having a separate armed force?"

Yes indeed. As in, again, these agencies have ALWAYS had a "separate armed force," and have had to. They have had building guards. Security people. Now that there are significantly greater threats than wayward tourists and the occasional drunk employee, they must see to more training and greater preparation and arms.

So far as I have heard, the military would have to be rather significantly expanded, and a very different paranoia would ensue, were we to have, say, the Marines be detailed to provide anti-terror defense across the US.


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Sun 06/26/16 02:17 PM

I suppose what I am ultimately getting at, is that I have come to be extra cautious about jumping to conclusions over the years, especially with how the internet has come to so heavily influence what is and isn't brought out as "news."

It's not so much that people lie (they certainly do), as that we've seen an explosion of the basic, most common "news" motivation, of getting people excited, even before all the facts are in.

In this case, for example, we have the claims about this odd assortment of weapons, but if you look carefully, you find no specifics for each department. Only general statements, saying that such and such weapons were ordered or "stockpiled" by SOMEONE, but we don't know exactly who.

The story also fails to include anything but questions about the weapons, no sign that the reporters have investigated or discovered what reasons were given for the choices made. No details on where they have been "stockpiled," or how. So no indication of what is intended, just suspicious allegations.


There's at least one more shoe to drop with this, and we wont actually know what's going on, if anything, until it does.

By all means, questions need to be asked.

"Having a separate armed force?"

Yes indeed. As in, again, these agencies have ALWAYS had a "separate armed force," and have had to. They have had building guards. Security people. Now that there are significantly greater threats than wayward tourists and the occasional drunk employee, they must see to more training and greater preparation and arms.

So far as I have heard, the military would have to be rather significantly expanded, and a very different paranoia would ensue, were we to have, say, the Marines be detailed to provide anti-terror defense across the US.



your Logic is getting in the way of the Problem!
What Government is doing now has nothing at all to do with the whitewash you are attempting!
Government is preparing for war against its Citizens!
Not just in the US,but elsewhere as well.
Disarming the Citizen,while arming non-Lawenforcement-Agencies to their Teeth!

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Sun 06/26/16 02:56 PM


They piling all those weapons for an imminent war devil


NO spock


...and how would you know that grumble

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Sun 06/26/16 05:20 PM


They piling all those weapons for an imminent war devil


Yeah, like an American Brexit by the states under the 10th amendment?


laughlaughlaughlaugh

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Sun 06/26/16 05:31 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 06/26/16 05:33 PM

Thanks to the internet the people now have the resource of information that has not been available to them by media outlets.

It's not that most of this information is new, or that it is conjecture or CT, it is just more available for public consideration on a still fairly uncensored internet while the syndicated broadcast news agencies would not have reported it as other than maybe an OpEd or backpage news item

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Mon 06/27/16 12:19 AM
Oh piffle, conrad. I'm not "trying to whitewash" anything.

I'm just suggesting an alternative explanation to your rather paranoid interpretation of this as being the overt preparations for the imminent overthrow of the United States government by shadowy forces led by the Department of the Interior.

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Mon 06/27/16 12:34 AM

Oh piffle, conrad. I'm not "trying to whitewash" anything.

I'm just suggesting an alternative explanation to your rather paranoid interpretation of this as being the overt preparations for the imminent overthrow of the United States government by shadowy forces led by the Department of the Interior.

Nope,Igor,it's just that some People detest that kind of overbearing Government,that has gone way off-beam from what it was intended!
But you will find out what its gonna be capable of!
Wonder if you then still are comfortable with it!
And stop putting Words in my Mouth,Mister!
Its Government,NOT some shadowy Forces in the "Department Of The Interior"!

It is Government usurping the Sovereignty of the People,a fact which you seem to close your eyes on!whoa

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Mon 06/27/16 12:38 AM

(ascribed to George Washington)

metalwing's photo
Mon 06/27/16 05:15 AM
How many gun battles has the FDA engaged in within it's history? Do drugs include illegal drugs?

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Mon 06/27/16 02:30 PM
The FDA does deal with illegal drugs scientifically, but the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) is who does the muscle work against the dealers.

I wonder if there's any connection between this, and the "OMG They're planning on overthrowing the government at the State level, by over-supplying SWAT teams with discontinued military hardware!" thing a couple of years ago.

It could be that after that fracas, that the military started encouraging the various agencies to stock up.

In the sixty three years I've been here, there have been dozens of "OMG THEY ARE GOING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT" stories like this.

Remember the "wargames in Texas are a cover for OVERTHROWING THE CONSTITUTION!" thing LAST year? And before that, there was the "I saw Red Chinese planes landing entire brigades in the desert!" thing a couple of years before that.

It really gets hard to feel panicky again, just because someone says that some agencies are getting what may or may not be more hardware than they really need.

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Mon 06/27/16 02:35 PM

The FDA does deal with illegal drugs scientifically, but the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) is who does the muscle work against the dealers.

I wonder if there's any connection between this, and the "OMG They're planning on overthrowing the government at the State level, by over-supplying SWAT teams with discontinued military hardware!" thing a couple of years ago.

It could be that after that fracas, that the military started encouraging the various agencies to stock up.

In the sixty three years I've been here, there have been dozens of "OMG THEY ARE GOING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT" stories like this.

Remember the "wargames in Texas are a cover for OVERTHROWING THE CONSTITUTION!" thing LAST year? And before that, there was the "I saw Red Chinese planes landing entire brigades in the desert!" thing a couple of years before that.

It really gets hard to feel panicky again, just because someone says that some agencies are getting what may or may not be more hardware than they really need.

apples and oranges!
DEA is a Lawenforcement-Agency!

The rest ought to use local Lawenforcement if they need backup!





IgorFrankensteen's photo
Mon 06/27/16 06:11 PM
That's IT????!!!??? That's what this thread is about? That amount of money, spent on security purchases for those large agencies...

over an EIGHT YEAR PERIOD????!!???

This really is about nothing.

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