Topic: The Golden Rule
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Fri 12/23/16 11:10 AM
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'

It would be such a nice world if it was ingrained into us , like self defense is


I know with families becoming further apart both geographically and politically, it may not make much difference

but what if, any time we did something to someone , we were guaranteed someone would do that to someone we loved as well?


you steal, someone you love will have their things taken
you bully, someone you love will be bullied
you slander and gossip, someone you love will be slandered and gossiped about


,,do you think people would treat each other with more 'humanity'?

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Fri 12/23/16 11:16 AM
I think in many cases nowadays that it would not make a difference. I'm not going to get into the how or why, but it seems clear that sociopathic behavior is on the rise.

Family and friends do not matter to a sociopath. Thus, you cannot bring pressure to bear via hurting someone they love since they are incapable of truly loving anyone.

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Fri 12/23/16 11:18 AM

I think in many cases nowadays that it would not make a difference. I'm not going to get into the how or why, but it seems clear that sociopathic behavior is on the rise.

Family and friends do not matter to a sociopath. Thus, you cannot bring pressure to bear via hurting someone they love since they are incapable of truly loving anyone.


I considered that too


'family' isn't the priority it once was and many could care less about what happens to family if it doesn't directly impact upon themselves

that is why I modified the thought to use the term 'loved ones', assuming the person is capable of loving anyone but themself

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Fri 12/23/16 11:22 AM


I think in many cases nowadays that it would not make a difference. I'm not going to get into the how or why, but it seems clear that sociopathic behavior is on the rise.

Family and friends do not matter to a sociopath. Thus, you cannot bring pressure to bear via hurting someone they love since they are incapable of truly loving anyone.


I considered that too


'family' isn't the priority it once was and many could care less about what happens to family if it doesn't directly impact upon themselves

that is why I modified the thought to use the term 'loved ones', assuming the person is capable of loving anyone but themself



Sociopaths love only one person, themselves.

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Fri 12/23/16 11:25 AM



I think in many cases nowadays that it would not make a difference. I'm not going to get into the how or why, but it seems clear that sociopathic behavior is on the rise.

Family and friends do not matter to a sociopath. Thus, you cannot bring pressure to bear via hurting someone they love since they are incapable of truly loving anyone.


I considered that too


'family' isn't the priority it once was and many could care less about what happens to family if it doesn't directly impact upon themselves

that is why I modified the thought to use the term 'loved ones', assuming the person is capable of loving anyone but themself



Sociopaths love only one person, themselves.

What do we call people that don't care about themselves, but care more about family or loved ones?

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Fri 12/23/16 11:30 AM
Selfless?

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Fri 12/23/16 11:55 AM

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'

It would be such a nice world if it was ingrained into us , like self defense is


I know with families becoming further apart both geographically and politically, it may not make much difference

but what if, any time we did something to someone , we were guaranteed someone would do that to someone we loved as well?


you steal, someone you love will have their things taken
you bully, someone you love will be bullied
you slander and gossip, someone you love will be slandered and gossiped about


,,do you think people would treat each other with more 'humanity'?


Sure, see how fast the murder rate drops if every time a person murdered someone, then someone in the killers family was murdered.

It would drop like a rock.

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Fri 12/23/16 12:06 PM
I try my best to live by the "Golden Rule". I will not say I'm selfless by any means.

I think most of humanity is screwed....Not literally but figuratively.

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Fri 12/23/16 12:07 PM


"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'

It would be such a nice world if it was ingrained into us , like self defense is


I know with families becoming further apart both geographically and politically, it may not make much difference

but what if, any time we did something to someone , we were guaranteed someone would do that to someone we loved as well?


you steal, someone you love will have their things taken
you bully, someone you love will be bullied
you slander and gossip, someone you love will be slandered and gossiped about


,,do you think people would treat each other with more 'humanity'?


Sure, see how fast the murder rate drops if every time a person murdered someone, then someone in the killers family was murdered.

It would drop like a rock.



I agree, for people capable of loving their family

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Fri 12/23/16 12:08 PM

I try my best to live by the "Golden Rule". I will not say I'm selfless by any means.

I think most of humanity is screwed....Not literally but figuratively.


I try my best too, and I agree

inhumanity is abundantly more popular or at least more normalized and promoted,,,

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Fri 12/23/16 01:00 PM
,,do you think people would treat each other with more 'humanity'?

Only false "humanity" as people mostly lived in fear for what might happen to their families.

At best that's basically what you're advocating; "consider at all times that your family is hostage to society for whatever you do and whatever people can interpret as you doing to them."

Otherwise all you'd do is drag family members into your fight and you'd get a lot more Hatfield and McCoy stories.

you steal, someone you love will have their things taken

So the person that had their things stolen for no apparent reason or wrongdoing other than being the cousin of someone else steals from the mother of the person that stole their stuff.

I can't believe you'd really think the mother is going to say "darn! I guess I deserve that because I love my son! So I'm not going to do anything at all and just accept all my stuff is stolen."
Or do you think she's going to try and get her stuff back?
Or perpetuate stealing from someone else entirely?
Or get her son the thief to steal her stuff back?


Not to mention what you are basically advocating is 2 wrongs make a right.
Someone does something "wrong" to you, it's okay to do something "wrong" to some other random person that has an affiliation with the person that wronged you, but has never done anything to you.

I really don't think that would teach anyone "humanity."
Next time someone cuts you off in traffic, follow them home, then slap their kid, see what kind of lesson that teaches anybody.
If you do that, please film it and put it on youtube.






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Fri 12/23/16 01:20 PM
it would teach people to look at other people as if they were a loved one, because the impact would be the same as if they were..

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Fri 12/23/16 05:51 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 12/23/16 05:52 PM
I do agree

I am not speaking about people we know well enough to know their values and wants

once you know for certain , through that persons own disclosure, how they want to be treated, that is different

but until then and with strangers we can only assume



of course there is assumption either way

you have to assume how they want to be treated,,,to treat them the way they want to be treated

you have to assume they want the same thing you want, to treat them how you want to be treated

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Fri 12/23/16 06:59 PM

Hi harmony ... I have always thought that statement was very egotistical and culturally insensitive ... I would much rather treat people as they wish to be treated .. That way there is little assumption . My values are my own . My worldview and how I see things is my own . After all .. We are all unique individuals . Do you agree . waving
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Sat 12/24/16 03:20 PM
It seems to me, that most people already know how bad it feels when others treat them ill. Knowing what it feels like, isn't the problem.

The problem is a bit more mysterious, and may explain why some people think that sociopathy is on the rise.

That is, lots of people compartmentalize themselves in all sorts of ways. That's why there have been so many tribal wars and familial feuds over the eons. It's how people who cheat, can be betrayed themselves, and never connect the two experiences in their souls.

In addition, perhaps especially these days, once people go down the emotionally satisfying thought process that mixes "learning" with "retribution," many get completely lost. I've heard people who thought they were devastatingly clever, because they declared that since the people they were angry at had done things to hurt them, that those people "wanted to be treated horribly," so they would follow that twisted version of the Golden Rule, by "doing unto others" what they obviously "asked for."

None of that is meant in any way to oppose your thought. More, I'm trying to point out why many of the wiser religious leaders of the world who also supported the ideas behind the GR, also talked very seriously about how incredibly challenging it actually is to follow it. It requires hard work, research, and that the person actively want to know more than their own sense of satisfaction.

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Sat 12/24/16 03:22 PM
flowerforyou

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Sat 12/24/16 05:34 PM

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you'



Well if the Ghost of God our Father in Heaven is going to have baby sex with His virgin daughters like he was Dennis Hastert .. no condoms ...

and then have the Virgin restored to pop it again with play sex on her cockold husband ... again no condoms.

Then I am all for it.

We must respect and honor diversity ... Bi-sexuals with no age discrimination are people too.

Boys, Girls, Chickens ... alive or dead ... remember no Age Discrimination and they are bi-sexuals.

Do onto others as you they do to you.

yup .. yup ... yup

noway noway noway


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Sun 12/25/16 08:22 AM
I was raised on the Golden Rule. In actuality it is fundamentally the Law of Cause and Effect. What you project out is what you get back positive or negative. You can't control the actions of others, we can only be in control of ourselves. However, when I consciously chose to show kindness to another, I believe it creates a ripple effect.
In answer to your query I say yes, it can make a difference.

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Sun 12/25/16 08:29 AM
flowerforyou

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Sat 12/31/16 09:25 AM
you got a nice fair heart sweetie <3