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Topic: Jesus is being "culturised" so to speak
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Wed 01/18/17 12:16 PM

The Master God, or 'just' God, are both the same, the CREATOR

as to Jesus , being the perfect representation for God, he would be mirroring and duplicating Gods will and Gods works,,,

though Im not sure what verse you are referencing


Genesis 1

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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Genesis 1

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 2

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
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Just interesting in Genesis 1 God creates man and woman simultaneously. In Genesis 2 He makes man in verse 7 and woman in 22

Genesis 2

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man

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Wed 01/18/17 12:22 PM
https://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html

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Wed 01/18/17 12:33 PM

Genesis 5:1

5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;



Genesis 2:4

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

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Wed 01/18/17 12:35 PM


No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"

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Wed 01/18/17 12:36 PM


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Wed 01/18/17 12:36 PM
interesting

the bible is not for the faint hearted

interpretation of 'day' seems to be contextual

in Genesis 5:1 , relating to only the creation of Man
in Genesis 2:4 relating to a period of 'generations'


day can be specific or a general period of time

'back in my day',,,,,for example

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Wed 01/18/17 12:37 PM



No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"


I believe I've already read/seen gotquestions explanation for it... if I'm not mistaken, it claims 2 is a recap of 1 in more detail.. But you're missing the point Harmony... One says God did this or that, the other says LORD God did this or that.

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Wed 01/18/17 12:39 PM



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Wed 01/18/17 12:39 PM

interesting

the bible is not for the faint hearted

interpretation of 'day' seems to be contextual

in Genesis 5:1 , relating to only the creation of Man
in Genesis 2:4 relating to a period of 'generations'


day can be specific or a general period of time

'back in my day',,,,,for example


Oh very true, and as time spans through the days have changed in just over the last few hundred years since we've been able to measure it. No telling how actually long the days were then. The day then could have last our week or few days or whatever it may have been. But it probably wasn't just a 24 hour period... also have to keep in mind the world was changed during the flood.. so no telling if the day time frame changed as well because of it.

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Wed 01/18/17 12:44 PM




No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"


I believe I've already read/seen gotquestions explanation for it... if I'm not mistaken, it claims 2 is a recap of 1 in more detail.. But you're missing the point Harmony... One says God did this or that, the other says LORD God did this or that.



it is the product of the context in which the translation was made


http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_693.cfm

and

http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html

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Wed 01/18/17 12:47 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Wed 01/18/17 12:50 PM





No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"


I believe I've already read/seen gotquestions explanation for it... if I'm not mistaken, it claims 2 is a recap of 1 in more detail.. But you're missing the point Harmony... One says God did this or that, the other says LORD God did this or that.



it is the product of the context in which the translation was made


http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_693.cfm

and

http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html


I'll look at them, but believe one theory was it changed to LORD God after man was created. Which wouldn't work, because God created man in verse 26, but continues to say God after that.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Lord God doesn't appear until

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

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Wed 01/18/17 12:53 PM






No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"


I believe I've already read/seen gotquestions explanation for it... if I'm not mistaken, it claims 2 is a recap of 1 in more detail.. But you're missing the point Harmony... One says God did this or that, the other says LORD God did this or that.



it is the product of the context in which the translation was made


http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_693.cfm

and

http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html


I'll look at them, but believe one theory was it changed to LORD God after man was created. Which wouldn't work, because God created man in verse 26, but continues to say God after that.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Lord God doesn't appear until

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,


Yep blueletterbible says what I said there lol bout being after man was created. But makes sense that it speaks of two different entities. For in the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. And back to "where the father worketh so I have"

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Wed 01/18/17 12:56 PM







No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"


I believe I've already read/seen gotquestions explanation for it... if I'm not mistaken, it claims 2 is a recap of 1 in more detail.. But you're missing the point Harmony... One says God did this or that, the other says LORD God did this or that.



it is the product of the context in which the translation was made


http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_693.cfm

and

http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html


I'll look at them, but believe one theory was it changed to LORD God after man was created. Which wouldn't work, because God created man in verse 26, but continues to say God after that.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Lord God doesn't appear until

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,


Yep blueletterbible says what I said there lol bout being after man was created. But makes sense that it speaks of two different entities. For in the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. And back to "where the father worketh so I have"


Also if what the blueletterbible site was saying about the term changing due to man being created and the relation there of. It wouldn't change back to God in Genesis 3:3

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Then back to LORD God in Genesis 3:8

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden

Wouldn't hop back and forth between the terms if it wasn't talking about two different entities. And again obviously the creation of man didn't have anything to do with it.

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Wed 01/18/17 01:08 PM








No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"


I believe I've already read/seen gotquestions explanation for it... if I'm not mistaken, it claims 2 is a recap of 1 in more detail.. But you're missing the point Harmony... One says God did this or that, the other says LORD God did this or that.



it is the product of the context in which the translation was made


http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_693.cfm

and

http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html


I'll look at them, but believe one theory was it changed to LORD God after man was created. Which wouldn't work, because God created man in verse 26, but continues to say God after that.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Lord God doesn't appear until

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,


Yep blueletterbible says what I said there lol bout being after man was created. But makes sense that it speaks of two different entities. For in the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. And back to "where the father worketh so I have"


Also if what the blueletterbible site was saying about the term changing due to man being created and the relation there of. It wouldn't change back to God in Genesis 3:3

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Then back to LORD God in Genesis 3:8

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden

Wouldn't hop back and forth between the terms if it wasn't talking about two different entities. And again obviously the creation of man didn't have anything to do with it.


And heck in 3:1 it uses both terms at the same time, also again displaying two different person(s) "beings"

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Now through all this, please don't misunderstand what I say. Jesus and his father are one God. But that resorts back to the terminology "god" being a title. It's not a name or an entity, species, breed, ect in itself.

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Wed 01/18/17 01:09 PM









No thank you, I appreciate it and will look into it. But was here talking with you and who else might want to as well. There isn't two accounts of it so to speak, one is God's perspective of it, the other is LORD God's perspective of it. Working at the same time, not two different accounts of it. Back to "Where the father works so do I"


I believe I've already read/seen gotquestions explanation for it... if I'm not mistaken, it claims 2 is a recap of 1 in more detail.. But you're missing the point Harmony... One says God did this or that, the other says LORD God did this or that.



it is the product of the context in which the translation was made


http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_693.cfm

and

http://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html


I'll look at them, but believe one theory was it changed to LORD God after man was created. Which wouldn't work, because God created man in verse 26, but continues to say God after that.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Lord God doesn't appear until

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,


Yep blueletterbible says what I said there lol bout being after man was created. But makes sense that it speaks of two different entities. For in the beginning was the Word and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God. And back to "where the father worketh so I have"


Also if what the blueletterbible site was saying about the term changing due to man being created and the relation there of. It wouldn't change back to God in Genesis 3:3

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Then back to LORD God in Genesis 3:8

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden

Wouldn't hop back and forth between the terms if it wasn't talking about two different entities. And again obviously the creation of man didn't have anything to do with it.


And heck in 3:1 it uses both terms at the same time, also again displaying two different person(s) "beings"

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Now through all this, please don't misunderstand what I say. Jesus and his father are one God. But that resorts back to the terminology "god" being a title. It's not a name or an entity, species, breed, ect in itself.


And why he didn't find it robbery to put himself equal to God.

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Fri 01/20/17 12:39 PM
Matthew 1:23

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Isaiah 43:10

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


John 1:3

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Colossians 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


John 14:9-11

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.


John 20:28

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Acts 20:28

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood


Colossians 2:9

9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


1 Timothy 3:16

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Titus 2:13

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Hebrews 1:8-9

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows








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Fri 01/20/17 04:06 PM
John 10: 33 “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

34 Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?

35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—

36 then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?

37 If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me.

38 But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”

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Fri 01/20/17 05:33 PM

John 10: 33 “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”

34 Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?

35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—

36 then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?

37 If I am not doing the works of My Father, then do not believe Me.

38 But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.”


Thanks Harmony, he only became his "father" once God came to the world in the flesh. Prior to that, there is no reference of father/son. It's to keep that Marry was a virgin and Joseph had nothing to do with it.

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