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Topic: Chemicals Of Love
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Sun 02/19/17 07:44 AM
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Sun 02/19/17 07:50 AM

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Helen Fisher of Rutgers University in the States has proposed 3 stages of love – lust, attraction and attachment. Each stage might be driven by different hormones and chemicals.
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Lust is the first stage of love and is driven by the sex hormones testosterone and oestrogen – in both men and women.

Testosterone



Estrogen



Attraction is the amazing time when you are truly love-struck and can think of little else. Scientists think that three main neurotransmitters are involved in this stage; adrenaline, dopamine and serotonin.

Adrenaline
The initial stages of falling for someone activates your stress response, increasing your blood levels of adrenalin and cortisol. This has the charming effect that when you unexpectedly bump into your new love, you start to sweat, your heart races and your mouth goes dry.


Dopamine
This chemical stimulates ‘desire and reward’ by triggering an intense rush of pleasure. It has the same effect on the brain as taking cocaine! Couples often show the signs of surging dopamine: increased energy, less need for sleep or food, focused attention and exquisite delight in smallest details of this novel relationship.


Serotonin
One of love's most important chemicals that may explain why when you’re falling in love, your new lover keeps popping into your thoughts.


Attachment is the bond that keeps couples together long enough for them to have and raise children. Scientists think there might be two major hormones involved in this feeling of attachment; oxytocin and vasopressin.

Oxytocin ~ The cuddle hormone
Oxytocin is a powerful hormone released by men and women during orgasm.
It probably deepens the feelings of attachment and makes couples feel much closer to one another after they have had sex. The theory goes that the more sex a couple has, the deeper their bond becomes.



Vasopressin is another important hormone in the long-term commitment stage and is released after sex.

I can't find a microphoto of Vasopressin to share with you.


These look like the posters that were on my bedroom wall during the 70's

They looked better under the black light and after a few joints.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sun 02/19/17 09:11 AM
These look like the posters that were on my bedroom wall during the 70's
They looked better under the black light and after a few joints.


They resemble art that I used to do in school in the 70's after a few one-hitters. Mine had twisty colored lines with highlights and shadows that that gave the design depth. My artwork was very popular wuth the 'Heads'.

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Sun 02/19/17 09:13 AM
I'm figuring that like other things in the body, age has a lot to do with the amount of the Chemicals of Love that get generated. As we get older our bodies regulatory systems begin to go wonky. Producing more or less that throws off the balances.
In this vein of thought, its likely that the older one gets the less love is chemically driven. Perhaps it is sheer will or memory that drives love in older people. That doesn't diminish the fact that love continues to exist. In fact, love can often increase in severity as we get older.

I also think that chemicals in the wrong ratios can cause problems with feeling love. Kinda like an adrenaline junkie that feels depressed. Some people may be addicted to love yet be full of hatred.




I suggest that with this observation of yours, that you've tumbled almost directly into a discussion of how the CHEMISTRY of attraction and lust, is NOT tied directly to the chemistry of LOVE, which actually is still unknown, overall.

I suggest further, that this means that it is even MORE obviously true, that humans are not driven and controlled by what chemistry we understand so far, alone. There's much more to it. This was obvious to me long ago, because I recognized early on, that I could CHOOSE how to react to my body chemistry. I could CHOOSE how what to do about adrenaline rushes, and about my emotional reactions. I could not control the chemistry itself, so I always have to experience the chemical emotions, but I am almost never out of control.

I'm not suggesting anything religious or magical with that, just pointing out that even with the amazing information we have so far, we have a long way to go before we can say we really know what we are all about.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 02/19/17 09:19 AM

Notice that in all these micro-photos there are none that are one complete color. The light refracted thru the sample clearly shows differences in the samples. Separations of substances within the sample shows that it is never pure.

I think it is possible that, for example, Testosterone that has a higher concentration of reds or even yellows might give the person a propensity for being gay or having less 'manly' characteristics. I might be wrong but it just makes sense. Those concentrations may vary over time which may give rise to decreases in sex drive, sperm count or any number of things (man boobs?).

I know that sometimes a lack of or, presence of, a certain hormone or chemical can classify you as sane or insane. Couldn't the same be considered to determine if someone is able to feel and express love?

If someone is lacking the chemicals of love they might be compensating with psychological or social behavior so they 'fit in' with others? Thus when one who has the chemicals gets involved with one who does not issues of love manifest in their relationship.

Likewise if two people produce the same chemicals their bond becomes very strong. "I love kissing her because she tastes so sweet" may be more than just a saying.
Perhaps if there is an offset and one person exudes a chemical the other is lacking it becomes an enrichment. "When I kiss her I feel a spark and get all tingly" again might be more than just a saying.

Chemicals of Love may not be the only factor but it certainly has influence.


I have read several times, that we should keep in mind, with colorful pictures of this kind of stuff, that the colors we see are not necessarily inherent to the substances themselves. In addition to using dyes on the samples, the technique of photographing them usually includes assigning colors to things like variations in density and other aspects of the substance. I fact, many micro photographs would be entirely colorless, owning the the way that the micro-photography mechanisms work. I'm no where near being expert (just an Historian who tries to pay attention here), so I don't know anything about these specific exemplars. Something to keep in mind, though.

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Sun 02/19/17 10:21 AM
I have read several times, that we should keep in mind, with colorful pictures of this kind of stuff, that the colors we see are not necessarily inherent to the substances themselves. In addition to using dyes on the samples, the technique of photographing them usually includes assigning colors to things like variations in density and other aspects of the substance. I fact, many micro photographs would be entirely colorless, owning the the way that the micro-photography mechanisms work. I'm no where near being expert (just an Historian who tries to pay attention here), so I don't know anything about these specific exemplars. Something to keep in mind, though.


I agree, list like NASA uses false color imaging to bring out details. I wasn't referring to the colors as much as the defining differences represented by the colors. The reasons for false color and enhancements.

In testosterone, of which I used as an example, the yellow areas are less abundant than the blue. It is not the color but the area of separation that I found interesting. The ratios. They are distinct separations. The separations could be differing strengths of or even areas of Anti-Testosterone (for lack of a better word).

I also have no idea how pure the sample photographed actually was. If I lay a smear of testosterone on a slide. It is not likely to be pure testosterone. If it is sampled from a vat or source pool of testosterone, any variances in it will be part of the testosterone sample.
Things that normally appear in testosterone.
Thus, those distinctions that are isolated in ratios within the sample are likely present in all samples of testosterone. With only one sample to view, it is likely that the ratios are common: Occam's Razor.

just pointing out that even with the amazing information we have so far, we have a long way to go before we can say we really know what we are all about.

Agreed!
We know "of" but not "all" in many things.

I could CHOOSE how what to do about adrenaline rushes, and about my emotional reactions. I could not control the chemistry itself, so I always have to experience the chemical emotions, but I am almost never out of control.

Ditto.

Consider that those conscious thoughts that you use to control yourself are also based on chemical reactions within you. Our brains are Chemical Computers so to speak. Will is a series of chemical excretions from axons and dendrites that fire a synapse. That chemical-electrical signal determines everything from movement to emotion. Even involuntary movement is a chemical-electrical signal like the contraction and relaxation of your heart muscles.

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Sun 02/19/17 10:30 AM
Consider that those conscious thoughts that you use to control yourself are also based on chemical reactions within you. Our brains are Chemical Computers so to speak. Will is a series of chemical excretions from axons and dendrites that fire a synapse. That chemical-electrical signal determines everything from movement to emotion. Even involuntary movement is a chemical-electrical signal like the contraction and relaxation of your heart muscles.





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