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Topic: Stigma and a Brave New World
msharmony's photo
Sun 02/19/17 01:54 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 02/19/17 01:55 PM
no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,



Tom4Uhere's photo
Sun 02/19/17 02:59 PM
Twilight Zone ~ To see the Invisible Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d2QJHVxDNA

A man is sentenced to 1 year of invisibility for the crime of 'Coldness'.

LOL - I am already invisible...

no photo
Sun 02/19/17 03:51 PM

no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,




I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,, and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,

___________________________________________________________________

I have a heart as well.. some say too big at times. But I also am not naïve

Rape is not a bad decision..it is a calculated decision.. it is a sever character flaw.. and most men who do rape.. do not get caught the first time.

Drug distribution is not a bad decision, it is a financial decision that was made to line the dealers pockets with money at the expense of the people he peddled the poison to.

What you perceive as a mistake, I perceive as a calculated choices they made.. over time.

And they can grow... in prison, where they belong.





no photo
Sun 02/19/17 04:31 PM

IN an ideal world, we want people to WANT to do whats right



if right and wrong, good and bad is redefined again then probably another religion was born.

thats exactly doing the same mistake again.

we need less structure and more tolerance or better acceptance.




no photo
Sun 02/19/17 04:53 PM

no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,





iam sry for the pain u suffered. however mc poison and co are one arm of thousands working more or less together in a controlling and manipulating society. ofc rapists should be punished or even sentenced to death but not by a government rather by a regional circle. death sentence is a sensitive issue which needs a special thread to discuss. darling many governments and other organizations are constantly manipulating ppls minds with drugs. if a government cant protect its people why should they stay in charge, jsut to build streets and supervisory infrastructure. to choose for u not whats best but whats binding, from the food industry to the pharma killers and the educational system that forms even the intelligent ppl into robots.

In my opinion we should try anarchy. iam not an anarchist, but the other concepts didnt work for the ppl and i thinks its worth a try. maybe today an illusion but tomorrow maybe not. i try to say lets not do the same mistakes again lets try new things even if its a mistake.

dreamerana's photo
Sun 02/19/17 05:07 PM
What about those who are victimzed because of innocence, ignorance or pressured by society?
Are they also to be stigmatized for acting out of ignorance or fear?
The kid who fled from a war torn country and ended up in a crime ridden neighborhood. That kid had to join a gang because otherwise he would get jumped by both sides.
What about the woman who was shown false divorce papers and ended up with an illegitimate child? Is she to be permanently ostracized for having been a trusting oerson?
Also every story has 2 sides. The stigma idea sounds like something from the Scarlet Letter. People were too ready to judge her and forget that it was a priest who fathered that child.
Many people often onky see what they want and judge a skewed picture

no photo
Sun 02/19/17 06:00 PM

What about those who are victimzed because of innocence, ignorance or pressured by society?
Are they also to be stigmatized for acting out of ignorance or fear?
The kid who fled from a war torn country and ended up in a crime ridden neighborhood. That kid had to join a gang because otherwise he would get jumped by both sides.
What about the woman who was shown false divorce papers and ended up with an illegitimate child? Is she to be permanently ostracized for having been a trusting oerson?
Also every story has 2 sides. The stigma idea sounds like something from the Scarlet Letter. People were too ready to judge her and forget that it was a priest who fathered that child.
Many people often onky see what they want and judge a skewed picture


unfortunately the ppl today are so full of hate and prejudice as a consequence of the manipulative machinery directed by the powers, which is a highly positive feedback for the constructors, that the social attitudes towards others get more and more lost. and here i refer back to the top of the topic "to do right", most people believe they r right, so does the killer and the mother who r for sure wrong in someoneelses eyes somewhere and right in another ones eyes.

right and wrong is not most important. to be able to accept the unknown shows greatness in character, ofc as long as its not harmful to someone.

no photo
Sun 02/19/17 06:10 PM
Edited by rawand_ on Sun 02/19/17 06:11 PM


no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,




I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,, and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,

___________________________________________________________________

I have a heart as well.. some say too big at times. But I also am not naïve

Rape is not a bad decision..it is a calculated decision.. it is a sever character flaw.. and most men who do rape.. do not get caught the first time.

Drug distribution is not a bad decision, it is a financial decision that was made to line the dealers pockets with money at the expense of the people he peddled the poison to.

What you perceive as a mistake, I perceive as a calculated choices they made.. over time.

And they can grow... in prison, where they belong.







noway when will we see the others. when will we not judge what we dont understand. when will we learn to tolerate even if we cant relate. why do we kill to oppress and not to survive as nature thought us. why am i good and he is bad. so many questions and no plausible answers. someone enlighten me, where is jesus

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/19/17 08:21 PM


no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,




I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,, and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,

___________________________________________________________________

I have a heart as well.. some say too big at times. But I also am not naïve

Rape is not a bad decision..it is a calculated decision.. it is a sever character flaw.. and most men who do rape.. do not get caught the first time.

Drug distribution is not a bad decision, it is a financial decision that was made to line the dealers pockets with money at the expense of the people he peddled the poison to.

What you perceive as a mistake, I perceive as a calculated choices they made.. over time.

And they can grow... in prison, where they belong.







our prisons do little to allow 'growth', and much to reinforce criminal survival instincts


Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 02/19/17 08:48 PM



no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,




I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,, and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,

___________________________________________________________________

I have a heart as well.. some say too big at times. But I also am not naïve

Rape is not a bad decision..it is a calculated decision.. it is a sever character flaw.. and most men who do rape.. do not get caught the first time.

Drug distribution is not a bad decision, it is a financial decision that was made to line the dealers pockets with money at the expense of the people he peddled the poison to.

What you perceive as a mistake, I perceive as a calculated choices they made.. over time.

And they can grow... in prison, where they belong.







noway when will we see the others. when will we not judge what we dont understand. when will we learn to tolerate even if we cant relate. why do we kill to oppress and not to survive as nature thought us. why am i good and he is bad. so many questions and no plausible answers. someone enlighten me, where is jesus



Stigmatizing is saying you really do not forgive. Our justice system is not fair.

Innocent until proven guilty is a myth. Just watch the Tv or media.
true stigmatism without a verdict.

who gets the best defense? pretty easy to know who has the most money or what lawyer will get the most publicity to make more money.

If you need a public defender do you think you get the justice that a person who has so much money it is no object gets?

True justice would be by a panel of judges who through thier experience in the law of the land would distribute justice equally no matter what your status in society is. law would be law for all. mercy and justice go hand in hand equally.

Forgiveness would be the law of the land. If your crime/s are that bad then you should be as dead to the rest not to poison the them. Never to be in society again whatever that judgement may be.



no photo
Mon 02/20/17 03:24 AM

What about those who are victimzed because of innocence, ignorance or pressured by society?
Are they also to be stigmatized for acting out of ignorance or fear?
The kid who fled from a war torn country and ended up in a crime ridden neighborhood. That kid had to join a gang because otherwise he would get jumped by both sides.
What about the woman who was shown false divorce papers and ended up with an illegitimate child? Is she to be permanently ostracized for having been a trusting oerson?
Also every story has 2 sides. The stigma idea sounds like something from the Scarlet Letter. People were too ready to judge her and forget that it was a priest who fathered that child.
Many people often onky see what they want and judge a skewed picture


We are not talking about a kid fleeing a war torn country. we are talking about people who grew up here.. and made the decision to sell drugs as opposed to getting a real job. And does every kid from a bad neighborhood have to join a gang? So you are saying that it is mandatory to sell drugs if you live in a bad neighborhood?. Is that it?

Have you seen the photos of the gang members behind bars?.. do they look like they are scared?.. like they are remorseful?.. guess what, they still run their operations from behind bars. that is how remorseful they are.

False divorce papers?.. we are talking about rape. About men raping women.. men... and the woman is the victim.. that is what we were talking about.

to cherry pick out 2 off the wall scenario's does not paint the picture of the topics being discussed.


Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 02/20/17 06:23 AM
As a curiosity I looked at prison populations by offense.
SOURCE ~ http://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp
Statistics based on prior month's data --
-- Last Updated: Saturday, 24 December 2016

Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement - 562 - 0.3%
Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses - 7,997 - 4.5%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise - 417 - 0.2%
Courts or Corrections - 743 - 0.4%
Drug Offenses - 82,415 - 46.4%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery - 11,503 - 6.5%
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses - 5,537 - 3.1%
Immigration - 15,073 - 8.5%
Miscellaneous - 1,383 - 0.8%
National Security - 75 - 0.0%
Robbery - 6,753 - 3.8%
Sex Offenses - 15,248 - 8.6%
Weapons, Explosives, Arson - 29,920 - 16.8%

This data is gathered from a month, not an overall assessment of prison populations.

Drug offenses are nearly half.

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Mon 02/20/17 07:14 AM




no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,




I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,, and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,

___________________________________________________________________

I have a heart as well.. some say too big at times. But I also am not naïve

Rape is not a bad decision..it is a calculated decision.. it is a sever character flaw.. and most men who do rape.. do not get caught the first time.

Drug distribution is not a bad decision, it is a financial decision that was made to line the dealers pockets with money at the expense of the people he peddled the poison to.

What you perceive as a mistake, I perceive as a calculated choices they made.. over time.

And they can grow... in prison, where they belong.







noway when will we see the others. when will we not judge what we dont understand. when will we learn to tolerate even if we cant relate. why do we kill to oppress and not to survive as nature thought us. why am i good and he is bad. so many questions and no plausible answers. someone enlighten me, where is jesus



Stigmatizing is saying you really do not forgive. Our justice system is not fair.

Innocent until proven guilty is a myth. Just watch the Tv or media.
true stigmatism without a verdict.

who gets the best defense? pretty easy to know who has the most money or what lawyer will get the most publicity to make more money.

If you need a public defender do you think you get the justice that a person who has so much money it is no object gets?

True justice would be by a panel of judges who through thier experience in the law of the land would distribute justice equally no matter what your status in society is. law would be law for all. mercy and justice go hand in hand equally.

Forgiveness would be the law of the land. If your crime/s are that bad then you should be as dead to the rest not to poison the them. Never to be in society again whatever that judgement may be.





i agree with u. but i am skeptical about the judges cuz they will have the power then and can use it for own purposes. as long as there are some who have significantly more power then the rest there will always be the risk of misuse. we should try either to spread the given legal power or to eliminate the legislative. democracy brings no justice never did. we need new and less norms or no norms, no legal powers just communities and arrangements or many regional independent powers- like dividing usa in thousands of independent governments. there would be more variety more development more justice and less manipulation and less hatred.

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Mon 02/20/17 03:06 PM



no one has forced anyone to START taking drugs

its like blaming fast food restaurants for peoples lives being 'destroyed' by obesity or obesity related death

and as a rape survivor, yes,, one can choose to overcome it or wallow in it,, however 'hard' it may be is irrelevant,,,to the choice being there,,,


and not the same as being KILLED by someones hands intentionally,,,no one gets the choice to no longer be dead


if you are still breathing, your life has not 'ended'

I have no soft spots for those in prison,

I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,,and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,




I have a human heart for human mistakes and bad choices,, and giving humans a chance to grow, learn, and improve,,,

___________________________________________________________________

I have a heart as well.. some say too big at times. But I also am not naïve

Rape is not a bad decision..it is a calculated decision.. it is a sever character flaw.. and most men who do rape.. do not get caught the first time.

Drug distribution is not a bad decision, it is a financial decision that was made to line the dealers pockets with money at the expense of the people he peddled the poison to.

What you perceive as a mistake, I perceive as a calculated choices they made.. over time.

And they can grow... in prison, where they belong.







noway when will we see the others. when will we not judge what we dont understand. when will we learn to tolerate even if we cant relate. why do we kill to oppress and not to survive as nature thought us. why am i good and he is bad. so many questions and no plausible answers. someone enlighten me, where is jesus


Well, when you get the answer from JC, let us all know.. o.k.

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