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Topic: Nuclear Plants being shut down *
mysticalview21's photo
Thu 03/30/17 11:34 AM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Thu 03/30/17 11:36 AM
personally they are the most dangerous ... kind of energy
we could have ...
but the ones in NY & NJ they can share ...
a grid with some other place to get electric ...
they explained last night ...
which is safer ...
the only reason I hope they can shut
them all down in yrs to come ...
most saw what happened in Japan ...
terrible accident becouse of the weather...
if they disabled them in a way to shut them down safely
I would agree is a good energy ... but they can't!
which makes them to dangerous to people ...


https://youtu.be/A6sgmw8FAC8



Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/30/17 12:46 PM
What happened at Fukushima was the result of a tsunami, not the weather.

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Thu 03/30/17 04:46 PM
They could throw old tires into the reactor.

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Thu 03/30/17 05:04 PM
I remember 3 Mile Island, and how scary that was. I didn't really realize the power and land mass that would be " gone" should that thing blow, I was a kid.. but I realized just how serious it was as it unfolded.

If something goes wrong with one of those things..... it can go very wrong.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/30/17 05:49 PM

I remember 3 Mile Island, and how scary that was. I didn't really realize the power and land mass that would be " gone" should that thing blow, I was a kid.. but I realized just how serious it was as it unfolded.

If something goes wrong with one of those things..... it can go very wrong.


A nuclear reactor isn't a nuclear bomb.

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Thu 03/30/17 05:58 PM


I remember 3 Mile Island, and how scary that was. I didn't really realize the power and land mass that would be " gone" should that thing blow, I was a kid.. but I realized just how serious it was as it unfolded.

If something goes wrong with one of those things..... it can go very wrong.


A nuclear reactor isn't a nuclear bomb.


I know what a nuclear reactor is David, and you don't need a explosion to render a very large area uninhabitable for a very long time. Like 100 years. And for a lot of people to die or become sic over many many years, including many forms of cancer. Just ask the folks in Chernobyl

And with the amount of people in the greater Pa. area at the time, it would have been a big deal.. a very big deal ,had it melted down.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/30/17 05:59 PM
It would be helpful if people would read this:

Three Mile Island -- Failure Of Science Or Spin?

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Thu 03/30/17 06:08 PM

I remember 3 Mile Island, and how scary that was. I didn't really realize the power and land mass that would be " gone" should that thing blow, I was a kid.. but I realized just how serious it was as it unfolded.

If something goes wrong with one of those things..... it can go very wrong.


Chernobyl was bad, but not if you like three headed lizards.

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Thu 03/30/17 06:11 PM

It would be helpful if people would read this:

Three Mile Island -- Failure Of Science Or Spin?




The topic was nuclear power plants and how dangerous they CAN be if something goes wrong.. like it did in Chernobyl and other places. No denying that.

Thank God 3 mile Island didn't melt down.. but the threat.. at that time.. was VERY real, as I recall.. on the news every day.. all day long... it was a very big National concern. And it was very scary at that time. Because nobody was reading about it from a news clip from 20 years into the future.. they were living it.

So, like I said,it opened up peoples eyes to the fact that these power plants can be a very real danger to a large population of people should something go wrong. And you don't need a explosive to level a large area.. radiation is far worse and lasts much longer.



that was the point

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/30/17 06:20 PM
And with the amount of people in the greater Pa. area at the time, it would have been a big deal.. a very big deal ,had it melted down.


There is a difference between a reactor core melting down and radiation being released.

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Thu 03/30/17 07:14 PM
Its known as risk and reward. Every moment of your life is affected by it. If you have electricity in your house you run the risk of being electrocuted or dieing in a fire started by electricity even if the odds are low. If you have heat in your house you run the risk of dieing in a fire or dieing from carbon dioxide poison, but the risk is relatively low. They built these plants with safety in mind, but the technology and knowledge at the time only allowed for so much. They have the ability to build new power plants that run off the waste of these old plants, and they are relatively safe, however with the few disasters that have occurred people have lost trust in the safety of nuclear. Humans have changed the face of earth, that will never change. It all comes down to what we want, and what we are willing to pay for it, or give up for it. We could go back to a time when everyone rode a horse, but the pollution would far exceed what we have to day, and diseases would be at an all time high, not to mention feeding them all and the increase in time it would take to get things done. Have you heard of the nuclear age? At the time it was going to solve all our problems and bring us into the future,well the future is hear and its time to come up with the next great thing, maybe that will still involve some nuclear. Maybe some hydrogen too. We stopped using whale oil 150 years ago after almost killing every last whale. They did come up with new solutions and that will continue to evolve til the end of time.

37ko's photo
Mon 04/03/17 12:59 PM
I'm within 50 miles of tmi and I can tell u that one spot I go rock climbing at has a black layer of who knows what on them the same that appeared in Fukushima... we've also got another reactor close by at peach bottom...u can dig in the dirt if I remember right about 8 inches and get a reading on a Geiger counter around here... using nuclear power is one of the most moronic things humans have ever delved into...we still don't fully understand the processes of nuclear fission and once you've started it...well it never stops...and Fukushima still hasn't been contained...towers 3 and 4 went into full meltdown and any robot they try to send in fries...but that all depends on what news sources you believe...eventually nuclear power will kill us all...there's a happy thought for your day lol

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 04/03/17 01:10 PM
u can dig in the dirt if I remember right about 8 inches and get a reading on a Geiger counter around here.


On can find natural sources of radiation with or without a nuclear power plant being nearby.

we still don't fully understand the processes of nuclear fission and once you've started it...well it never stops...


Actually it does stop when conditions don't allow it to continue.

37ko's photo
Mon 04/03/17 01:22 PM
very true....but certain readings will not occur naturally and yeah it stops once all available fuel is burnt up and enough radiation is expelled to destroy who knows what

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 04/03/17 01:45 PM

very true....but certain readings will not occur naturally and yeah it stops once all available fuel is burnt up and enough radiation is expelled to destroy who knows what


Unless one has taken radiation readings in an area before a nuclear plant begins operating there, one doesn't really know what radiation readings are natural.

Also, fuel for a nuclear plant doesn't have to be all burned up before a nuclear chain-reaction comes to an end.

The chain reaction can end with the radiation being contained.

37ko's photo
Mon 04/03/17 01:52 PM
ok now I'm intrigued....how is it containable? I was under the assumption we haven't figured that out yet....and at what scale? they can't contain Fukushima!!!

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 04/03/17 02:27 PM

ok now I'm intrigued....how is it containable? I was under the assumption we haven't figured that out yet....and at what scale? they can't contain Fukushima!!!


The Fukushima Daiichi facility suffered from explosions due to the igniting of hydrogen that was created by an exothermic reaction not involving the fuel itself.

"Oxidation of the zirconium cladding at high temperatures in the presence of steam produces hydrogen exothermically."

The explosions ruined the shielding that contained the radiation from the reactors.

To understand how radiation shielding works, read "Radiation Protection ".

Also, the Fukushima Daiichi facility isn't designed the same way as the Three Mile Island facility. At the latter, water that flows through the reactors isn't allowed to turn into steam. That is a significant difference.

The design of the Chernobyl reactors is different from both Fukushima and Three Mile Island. Chernobyl's design is unique.

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Mon 04/03/17 02:30 PM
For what it's worth, my Human persona is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Nuclear Power School, and my military training included training at an active nuclear power plant located on land.

It is because of this education and training that I know as much as I do.

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 04/03/17 03:04 PM
By the way, I am NOT promoting the commercial use of nuclear power, as I demonstrate in my blog post "The Future of Nuclear Power".

For the purpose of this discussion thread, I am merely providing technical information.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 04/03/17 03:49 PM
Still one of the safest power suppliers we have... I guess you people would rather live by a coal plant, and suck on all the burnt coal exhaust...

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