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Topic: The Wiccan Rede: Holy Law or Advice?
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Thu 11/22/07 08:59 PM
Main Entry: 1rede
Pronunciation: 'rEd
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English -- more at READ
1 archaic : to give counsel to : ADVISE
2 archaic : INTERPRET, EXPLAIN

Main Entry: 2rede
Function: noun
1 archaic : COUNSEL, ADVICE
2 archaic : ACCOUNT, STORY


The Wiccan Rede
Full Version

Bide within the Law you must, in perfect Love and perfect Trust.
Live you must and let to live, fairly take and fairly give.

For tread the Circle thrice about to keep unwelcome spirits out.
To bind the spell well every time, let the spell be said in rhyme.

Light of eye and soft of touch, speak you little, listen much.
Honor the Old Ones in deed and name,
let love and light be our guides again.

Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the joyful tune.
Widdershins go when the moon doth wane,
and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.

When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to Her times two.
When the moon rides at Her peak then your heart's desire seek.

Heed the North winds mighty gale, lock the door and trim the sail.
When the Wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast.

When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss you on the mouth.
When the wind whispers from the West, all hearts will find peace and rest.

Nine woods in the Cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow.
Birch in the fire goes to represent what the Lady knows.

Oak in the forest towers with might, in the fire it brings the God's
insight. Rowan is a tree of power causing life and magick to flower.

Willows at the waterside stand ready to help us to the Summerland.
Hawthorn is burned to purify and to draw faerie to your eye.

Hazel-the tree of wisdom and learning adds its strength to the bright fire burning.
White are the flowers of Apple tree that brings us fruits of fertility.

Grapes grow upon the vine giving us both joy and wine.
Fir does mark the evergreen to represent immortality seen.

Elder is the Lady's tree burn it not or cursed you'll be.
Four times the Major Sabbats mark in the light and in the dark.

As the old year starts to wane the new begins, it's now Samhain.
When the time for Imbolc shows watch for flowers through the snows.

When the wheel begins to turn soon the Beltane fires will burn.
As the wheel turns to Lamas night power is brought to magick rite.

Four times the Minor Sabbats fall use the Sun to mark them all.
When the wheel has turned to Yule light the log the Horned One rules.

In the spring, when night equals day time for Ostara to come our way.
When the Sun has reached it's height time for Oak and Holly to fight.

Harvesting comes to one and all when the Autumn Equinox does fall.
Heed the flower, bush, and tree by the Lady blessed you'll be.

Where the rippling waters go cast a stone, the truth you'll know.
When you have and hold a need, harken not to others greed.

With a fool no season spend or be counted as his friend.
Merry Meet and Merry Part bright the cheeks and warm the heart.

Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good.
When misfortune is enow wear the star upon your brow.

Be true in love this you must do unless your love is false to you.

These Eight words the Rede fulfill:
"An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will"

Written by Adriana Porter and was published by Lady Gwen Thompson (Adriana Porter's Granddaughter) in The Green Egg magazine in 1975


The Wiccan Rede
Short Version, Most Commonly Used

These Eight words the Rede fulfill:
"An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will"



This short phrase has a long and rich history. Gerald Gardner started the first official Tradition of Wicca called Gardnerian Wicca. Prior to Gerald Gardner's third book "The Meaning of Witchcraft," published in 1959, Gardner did not discuss ethics. In "The Meaning of Witchcraft" Gardner says,

"(Witches) are inclined to the morality of the legendary Good King Pausol, 'Do what you like so long as you harm no one' But they believe a certain law to be important, "You must not use magic for anything which will cause harm to anyone, and if, to prevent a greater wrong being done, you must discommode someone, you must do it only in a way which will abate the harm."

The Good King Pausol was a character in the book called "The Adventures of King Pausole" published in 1901 by Pierre Louÿs. More specifically the line that Gardner was referring to out of the book, "The Adventures of King Pausole" was, "Do no wrong to thy neighbor. Observing this, do as thou pleasest." Some believe that Gardner was influenced by the older Law of Thelema created by Aleister Crowley, however, this has been up for debate for a long time now.

Now enter in Doreen Valiente. The short form wiccan rede was first publically mentioned in a speech by Doreen Valiente on October 3, 1964 at what may have been the first witches' dinner organized in modern history. The event was sponsored by Pentagram, a quarterly newsletter and "witchcraft review" started and published by Gerard Noel in 1964. Doreene Valiente's Wiccan Rede quote was also published in volume one (1964) of the Pentagram, the UK newsletter that hosted the event and as will be discussed later was subsequently published beween circa 1965 and 1966 in the United States in The Waxing Moon newsletter. In 1965 the Rede was again quoted without references in Justine Glass' book Witchcraft, The Sixth Sense.

Some believe that Gardner wrote the eight word Wiccan Rede. Others believe that Doreene Valiente, who edited a lot of Gardner's work, wrote it using his work. To me, personally, it doesn't matter who wrote it. To some it's really important and makes for some heated debates.

As I mentioned above the word Rede means counsel or advice. Simply put you can lead a horse to water but you can make the horse drink the water. Just because counsel or advice is given doesn't mean it's going to be taken and used. Notice that in the quote above from Gardner's book "The Meaning of Witchcraft" he says they (witches) are INCLINED to the morality, he doesn't say that they are BOUND.

Gerald Gardner had 161 Laws called the Old Laws or The Ardane for all those who were Gardnerian Wiccans. Since that one tradition of Wicca was started many others have followed, some taking with them some of the laws others leaving the laws behind others taking the laws and adding to them, etc. Today, most Wiccans do not follow all 161 of these Laws. Wicca has evolved. Much like Christianity has evolved. Christianity certainly is not the same today as it was when it first began. The Wiccan Rede is not a Law and was never a Law. It is however, wise advice and good counsel for when you practice magick.

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Thu 11/22/07 09:01 PM
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Thu 11/22/07 09:02 PM

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Do you have a question, goofy? Feel free to ask.

Thurminator's photo
Thu 11/22/07 09:10 PM
this is quite interesting

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Thu 11/22/07 09:11 PM
this is quite interesting

FaithfulOne78's photo
Thu 11/22/07 09:22 PM
Blessed Be.

JoshH's photo
Thu 11/22/07 09:27 PM
Fellow Wiccans? really?

JaymeStephens84a0lc's photo
Thu 11/22/07 09:28 PM
Its both a holy law AND great advice if you ask me. I've been following is for about 10 years now..

Blessed Be!

LadyValkyrie37's photo
Thu 11/22/07 09:29 PM

Fellow Wiccans? really?


I'm not a Wiccan. I'm a Pagan and a Witch.

JoshH's photo
Thu 11/22/07 09:29 PM
Let me ask you all something? are you offended with the way society and the media portrays Wicca?

LadyValkyrie37's photo
Thu 11/22/07 09:30 PM

Its both a holy law AND great advice if you ask me. I've been following is for about 10 years now..

Blessed Be!


May I ask you what makes it a Holy Law?

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Thu 11/22/07 09:30 PM
Edited by JoshH on Thu 11/22/07 09:33 PM


Fellow Wiccans? really?


I'm not a Wiccan. I'm a Pagan and a Witch.


I'm not technically "full" Wiccan....I follow Wicca for the most part but also have some of my own beliefs...therefore i'm sort of my own thing here....It's really hard to explain but for the most part i consider myself Wiccan

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Thu 11/22/07 09:35 PM

Let me ask you all something? are you offended with the way society and the media portrays Wicca?


If you are referring to TV shows like "Charmed" and "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" or movies like "The Craft" I'm not offended one bit. Anyone who wishes to believe what is portrayed in Hollyweird as truth are as ignorant as those newbies to Wicca, Witchcraft, and Paganism, who we call fluffy bunnies, who believe such things are a "how to" guide to Wicca. In today's day and age there is plenty of access to information concerning the truth about such religious and spiritual beliefs and practices.

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Thu 11/22/07 09:35 PM


Its both a holy law AND great advice if you ask me. I've been following is for about 10 years now..

Blessed Be!


May I ask you what makes it a Holy Law?



I've always felt its one of those things that you just call a given, no matter what religion a person is (Pagan here), its basically the golden rule. Personally, I use it as a holy law, I follow it in my beliefs and my everyday life.

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Thu 11/22/07 09:36 PM



Fellow Wiccans? really?


I'm not a Wiccan. I'm a Pagan and a Witch.


I'm not technically "full" Wiccan....I follow Wicca for the most part but also have some of my own beliefs...therefore i'm sort of my own thing here....It's really hard to explain but for the most part i consider myself Wiccan


Then I guess it's say to assume you are an Eclectic Pagan then. lol

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Thu 11/22/07 09:36 PM


Let me ask you all something? are you offended with the way society and the media portrays Wicca?


If you are referring to TV shows like "Charmed" and "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" or movies like "The Craft" I'm not offended one bit. Anyone who wishes to believe what is portrayed in Hollyweird as truth are as ignorant as those newbies to Wicca, Witchcraft, and Paganism, who we call fluffy bunnies, who believe such things are a "how to" guide to Wicca. In today's day and age there is plenty of access to information concerning the truth about such religious and spiritual beliefs and practices.
i agree....i studied paganism and wicca for nearly two years before i converted....

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Thu 11/22/07 09:38 PM



Its both a holy law AND great advice if you ask me. I've been following is for about 10 years now..

Blessed Be!


May I ask you what makes it a Holy Law?



I've always felt its one of those things that you just call a given, no matter what religion a person is (Pagan here), its basically the golden rule. Personally, I use it as a holy law, I follow it in my beliefs and my everyday life.


So what would you say to a fellow Pagan who doesn't follow what you consider to be a Holy Law? Would you consider such a Pagan as a bad person who practices "dark" arts?

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Thu 11/22/07 09:39 PM




Fellow Wiccans? really?


I'm not a Wiccan. I'm a Pagan and a Witch.


I'm not technically "full" Wiccan....I follow Wicca for the most part but also have some of my own beliefs...therefore i'm sort of my own thing here....It's really hard to explain but for the most part i consider myself Wiccan


Then I guess it's say to assume you are an Eclectic Pagan then. lol

see, when you say it like that it makes it sound like i'm a half as* and i want the world to revolve around me....and that's not what it's about.....

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Thu 11/22/07 09:39 PM

If you are referring to TV shows like "Charmed" and "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" or movies like "The Craft" I'm not offended one bit. Anyone who wishes to believe what is portrayed in Hollyweird as truth are as ignorant as those newbies to Wicca, Witchcraft, and Paganism, who we call fluffy bunnies, who believe such things are a "how to" guide to Wicca. In today's day and age there is plenty of access to information concerning the truth about such religious and spiritual beliefs and practices.


LMFAO, I so know what you mean. When I first started studying when I was about 13 it was me and 3 other girls. 2 of them are still Pagan, the 3rd fully believed everything "The Craft" said... we just laughed at her and told her to if she really wanted to learn learn, otherwise go to church.

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Thu 11/22/07 09:40 PM
I would say it's the equivilent of the ten commandments. holy law, but it's not always followed or enforced.

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