Hi, All over our news tonight is something about a vote concerning Obama care. I've heard about but I don't know what the for and against is?
Maybe someone could just give a general idea. Please keep it as simple as possible, after all, I am English

There are 2 votes a bill needs to pass.
One in the house.
One in the senate.

This bill has passed the house vote.

The bill repeals and/or replaces "key" parts of Obama's ACA; "Obamacare."

The bill:
- repeals Obamacare tax subsidies based on income, and focuses tax subsidies on age, and income.
- repeals mandate that individuals have to carry insurance, and allows insurers to charge people more in premiums if they haven't carried insurance for the previous 90(?) days.
- repeals pre-existing condition premium prices same as healthy individual prices, allows states to allow insurance companies to charge more for pre existing conditions.
- Repeals insurance coverage minimums (e.g. all insurance policies must cover prenatal care, even those sold to men).
- allows insurance companies to offer more diverse pricing structures, i.e. higher deductible policies, that cover fewer services.
- Creates a state slush fund under the guise to be used for lowering costs.
- Promotes health savings accounts.
- cuts taxes to pharmaceutical and medical device companies.
- Defund's planned parenthood.

Among other things.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/news/economy/obamacare-repeal-republican-health-care-bill/index.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/republican-obamacare-replacement-bill-wins-enough-votes-to-pass-house.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-health-bill-crosses-threshold-to-pass-house-as-voting-continues-1493921905

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-idUSKBN18014F

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/house-passes-revised-bill-to-repeal-and-replace-obamacare-2017-05-04-141032048

Trumps plan is really not that much different than Obama's as they are both based off tax credits. What people forget is we are the ones paying taxes, so the credits that we get are paid by us anyway. The insurance companies are dropping out of Obama care because they are not making money, so even thou many people name them, they are not the big problem. The biggest problem is the drug companies pushing new medicines on people. We have become a nation of hypochondriacs that think we need a pill for everything, and some more pills to counter act the side affects of the first pill, combine that with the addiction factor, and the fact that everyone thinks they should live forever and it becomes outrageously priced to run our healthcare system. That and the fact people are living longer and causing more drain on the.health care system means major changes need to be made or the entire system will collapse.

the Trump plan removes 20 million from the insurance rolls. The Trump plans remove how to pay for it by removing the taxing of the rich.
The Trump plans removes the 80 percent must go to care from the insurance companies
The Trump plan calls it a penalty instead of a mandate.
The Trump plans allows stated to charge unlimited amount on the old and those who have pre existing conditions.

Same Plan explain?

Yep, the rich have money so they should pay? How bout people start taking care of themselves instead of freeloading off others? We can make employers pay for healthcare, but who do you think that money really comes from? If the government would use the money they collect for what it is intended for, and manage it responsibly there would be fewer problems, but what it really comes down to is people are greedy and expect too much.

Greed exactly what you describe in giving it to the rich. Funny how you forget those subsidies to corporation 200 billion for the oil industry alone last year. Ten billion for methanol to the state of Iowa. Explain why I am paying for the insurance of the farmers? What you did not know the either. Called buying their votes. The rich bet you did not even know that one million of those making over a million dollars did not even pay taxes. Do read the capitol gains tax and tax code which you have no knowledge of.

The same old republican argument of but why should I pay for it make them pay for it. When you stop giving the rich, corporations and farmers money I may listen to you.

Greed exactly what you describe in giving it to the rich. Funny how you forget those subsidies to corporation 200 billion for the oil industry alone last year. Ten billion for methanol to the state of Iowa. Explain why I am paying for the insurance of the farmers? What you did not know the either. Called buying their votes. The rich bet you did not even know that one million of those making over a million dollars did not even pay taxes. Do read the capitol gains tax and tax code which you have no knowledge of.

The same old republican argument of but why should I pay for it make them pay for it. When you stop giving the rich, corporations and farmers money I may listen to you.

The reason why it is difficult to be sure what is actually being voted on, is because the partisan bickering has been non-stop for the last three decades. There are more distortions and lies being proclaimed about everything than facts.

The so-called "Obama care" approach, was to force everyone to buy "insurance," or pay a tax penalty. It also made rules that the "insurance" companies had to offer certain coverage to ALL customers, and that they were not allowed to refuse to take high risk people or people with previously existing problems (which most "insurance" companies DID do before that).

The primary FACT BASED objections to it, were the requirements for detailed coverage (requiring males to get pregnancy services) and the fact that the tax fines had to be suffered, even when no "insurance" company offered anything affordable. Secondary objections included that the mechanics of getting it going were clumsy and confused; that it failed to provide any significant reductions or limits on what "insurance" companies could charge (so the companies all raised their rates spectacularly); and the Republicans succeeded in sabotaging it in advance, by allowing their states to refuse to expand medicare (even though they were paid back by the Federal government), and thus make SURE that health "insurance" was too expensive (this was a clever ploy to make sure that so many people were forced to pay tax penalties, that they would get angry at the Democrats). Third level objections included that it was a Democrat idea, and therefor was inherently bad; that nothing should be done about health care, because everything was already okay (i.e. the Republicans had coverage they could afford, so suck it), and that Obama was trying to help black people.

So far, there is no Republican plan that has the support of most Republicans. The so-called "Trump Care" thing that has passed the House, and is about to be changed and perhaps defeated in the Senate, has not been fully described in the press yet. We've only heard the partisan objections to it, primarily the complaint that it allows states to "opt out" of fundamental elements of the existing ACA, and thereby gut that law's functions entirely. Talk about that from both sides has been flat allegations, with no expert explanations, because the Republicans are in even more of a hurry than the Democrats were wit the ACA, and wont allow the CBO to analyze the bill and confirm or refute the claims made by each side.

Bottom line at the moment: nothing has changed yet. Until the Senate messes around with it, and either defeats it, or offers a changed version of it that the House will then have to try to adjust to, and Trump actually signs a final version into law, it's all just blather.

mainly to lower taxes for the Rich ... many will die ... and many will be dropped ... and they should not defund plan parenthood ...so many women need that ...even if just a safe place to talk to someone ... about their health... and preexisting condition if taken away ... again so many will die ... if so many do not get the care they need right now & have ... our government will kill us ... if they take this away... when needed the most ... and emergency rms will be flooding again an again ...like they are now in some cases ...

Yes sit on your hands until you have no say. Brilliant did not work for the Vietnam war or Hitler final solution. But wait. Sorry the very purpose of stating your position is to let those representative know what is at stake. Sitting there on your hands stating but wait is in opposite of the purpose of the first amendment

Trump said it best about the health care..... without stating any 'alternate facts'!!!!


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