Canvassers for Dem-tied group charged in voter registration fraud scheme

Twelve employees of an Indiana group tied to former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and former President Bill Clinton were charged Friday for allegedly submitting fake or fraudulent voter registration applications before the 2016 presidential election.

The Indiana Voter Registration Project, an Indiana-based group focused on mobilizing and registering black voters, allegedly submitted an unknown number of falsified applications, according to a probable cause affidavit. Eleven canvassers temporarily employed by the group were charged by Marion County prosecutors, along with their supervisor Holiday Burke -- with one count each of procuring or submitting voter registration applications known to be “false, fictitious, or fraudulent.”

If convicted, each faces up to two-and-a-half years in prison. The group as a whole is also charged, and could face a $10,000 fine.
The investigation found that workers had submitted fake applications for imaginary residents, submitted new applications for people who had already been registered, and at least one application was submitted on behalf of a minor, according to Curry.

The warrant indicates that Patriot Majority submitted several hundred voter registration applications that included false, incomplete or fraudulent information. The warrant's contents allowed State Police to raid the offices of Patriot Majority USA in October. Patriot Majority has not been charged and has denied any wrongdoing.

Yeah, that list of errors hardly rises to the level of a concerted plot to sway an election. Bad, yes, but functionally identical to cases where people hired by the Republican Party to try to clear the roles of people who were no longer in an area, a number of them went and blocked hundreds of legitimate voters, who were only guilty of returning unwanted Republican literature. Same kind of nonsense.

Nope, not non-sense when it comes to voter fraud.
This kind of voter fraud has been suspected in other Democrat controlled cities else where. I know in Dallas there is an ongoing investigation now, same type of fraud being committed suspected. Never heard of the Republicans doing such but they could Where was that?

here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_caging

If this is from a news article and not personal anecdotal experience, it's pretty crappy.


What does that mean?

Because if Bill Clinton and Harry Reid went in to a Wal Mart and ordered a cake, that Wal Mart could be said to have "ties" to them.

If Bill Clinton and Harry Reid went in to a Wal Mart and ordered a cake on two separate occasions, it could be said that Wal Mart is "tied" to them.

If Bill Clinton and Harry Reid went in to a Wal Mart twice in 1997, and then that Wal Mart cooked its books in 2015, it could be said "Wal Mart tied to Bill Clinton and Harry Reid committing accounting fraud!"

For all I know Harry Reid and Bill Clinton are the head of the group, sitting at the foot of the table, twirling their mustaches, saying "mwahahaha, let's do some voter fraud!"

For all I know Harry Reid and Bill Clinton hired an agency that hired an agent that hired a group that hired some people that hired another group that hired some people that committed voter fraud.

It's pretty important, if a news story is going to note there are ties/tied to people, they elucidate what those ties are, how they're tied, exactly.

If they don't, you know you have a crap news story and they're most likely attempting to manipulate your opinion rather than offer you any worthwhile information.


Okay, great.
Now how is this fraud and not a mistake or bad employees or negligence?
Where is there any indication regarding intent to commit fraud?

Because I can come up with a lot of scenarios where each of those are an accident, or from rushing, or poor judgment, rather than a desire to commit fraud.
I mean there was just a forum thread about "75% of black boys in California can't read," where it was noted 3/4 of black boys in California could not read or write to minimum state standards.
Maybe the temp canvassers were black boys from California.

If this was a decent news story, they'd explain how it has to be fraud rather than anything else.
Being charged with fraud and being convicted of fraud are separate things entirely.

Voter fraud and caging are different things. In Dallas, what is being
investigated is county employees are illegally giving out mailing dates, names and addresses to certain groups. The mail in ballots are then fraudulently filled out and mailed in as a legitimate vote. Voter fraud can be effective in city and county elections when there is low voter turnout.

It happens on both sides. Corruption is everywhere

Yes, they are slightly different. But they are identical, in that both cause democracy to be impinged.

Perhaps you should focus on the republicans. Try the ap news of a county in Texas were 20,000 more votes for republican candidates than the entire population of the county. Oh it gets better this has been going on for thirty years. The state of Texas is now going to look into it. There is the republican party for you.

Once again Arlo, you have hit the ball outa da park. Rachel Maddow would be proud of you. A total of 16 rural counties in Texas had more registered voters than had population. One county had 25 more voters than population. That's a 163% increase. I didn't see any party mentioned though. Most of the counties are on the border, kinda strange.


Conservative watchdog group questions counties with too many voters:

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Conservative-watchdog-group-questions-counties-3467513.php

The main thing I take out of ALL of these reports, is that 1) all of them are on a small scale (there is no multi-million fake voter plot and never has been), and 2) they are being noticed and addressed regardless of the party involved.

Those are good things. The only bad thing, is that some people FAIL to condemn the attempts to manipulate voting results. Some people still see it as a game to play, like the people in sports who see cheating as a normal part of the competition.

Agreed, hopefully we won't see any or many large scale fake
voter plots. But what is being exposed now is fraud in city and
county elections. In some local races, a few hundred fraudulent
votes can change the result of an election. It is sad when people
see this as the norm. Voter ID, anyone?

A good start might be gerrymandering