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Topic: Who invented who
BlakeIAM's photo
Fri 06/01/18 08:00 AM
No.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Fri 06/01/18 08:39 AM

In adelaide, australia a news story came out today: 'scientists' X-ray micro scanned a fossilised fish many millions of years old, (or just over 5000 years old - depending), and determined that all vertebrates including humans were ancestors of that type/era of ancient fish, by looking at the micro structures in its fossilised skull and within its fossilised bones.

I'm no hexpert so don't ask me how, but that's what they said.

Do you think that maybe 'god' was a fish ? Or maybe the ancestor of the bony fish - a notochord, or the ancestor of the notochord, a worm ?

If we were made in 'his' image, and we have been evolving from single cells to worms to humans, and 'god' is older than us, is 'god' a bacteria or amoeba ? what

When I was following religion I saw "Made in His Image" as in our ability to reason right from wrong. Our ability to remember the past and plan for the future but exist in the present. Not as a body style.

Now that I have my own belief of God I can accept that since I am part of the Universe and God is the Universe the fact that I am made of energy and matter of the Universe is significant. What is insignificant is to realize that the energy and matter I am made of, also makes up everything else in the Universe.

BlakeIAM's photo
Sat 06/02/18 10:59 AM
No one should ever follow religion.
Follow God.
The creator of all that is.

ReserveCorp's photo
Sat 06/02/18 06:08 PM

No one should ever follow religion.
Follow God.
The creator of all that is.


Agreed. Well said.

indianadave4's photo
Fri 06/08/18 02:21 PM
Until recently evolutionists have claimed that the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon. For nearly 50 years those who accept the creation model have shown the difficulties with the evolution model. The elevation of the entrance area to the Grand Canyon is 3318 feet. As one views the USGS elevation map the Grand Canyon is not a valley that the river runs through but a mountain ridge:

https://elevationmap.net/533-marina-parkway-page-az-86040-usa#latlng=(36.97663304733936,-111.4514163955833)

Clicking ones mouse at various points on this web site displays the elevation. The highest peak is 8128 feet. So the question is how does river water flow uphill from 3318 feet to 8128 feet? This is an elevation of 4810 feet that the Colorado River would have to have flowed up hill!

This nonconformity was published 45 years ago and vigorously discounted by geologists who adhere to evolution. After all this time some geologists are admitting that the river could not have created the Grand Canyon. Some geologists now theorize that geological tectonic plate movement (over 4 million years) created the Canyon. However, when looking at the sides of the Canyon the erosion patterns are horizontal: giving credence to the idea of a massive movement of water. If only tectonic plate movement were involved then the patterns should be vertical only.

The creationist view is that both happened. During Noah's flood there was seismic activity as well as massive movements of water.

ReserveCorp's photo
Sat 06/09/18 11:51 PM
Land masses rise and fall. Sometimes they're under water and sometimes they're above water. There are sea shells in Wyoming at 5000 feet elevation just to the east of the Bighorn Mountains. You find them while out antelope hunting. Tectonic plates smashing together causes mountains to rise, like the Rockies. Time erodes them, like the Appalachians. The Garden of Eden originally was on a peninsula off the now Syrian coast of the eastern Mediterranean Ocean. But that land subsided and now the Garden is 3000 feet underwater. If they'd stop shooting and warring long enough for a properly funded team with a side scanning sonar and divers to go in and find the remains of the Garden, its wall, and the Father's Temple, it would validate The Urantia Book.

73:7.1 After the first garden was vacated by Adam, it was occupied variously by the Nodites [Nephilim], Cutites, and the Suntites. It later became the dwelling place of the northern Nodites who opposed co-operation with the Adamites. The peninsula had been overrun by these lower-grade Nodites for almost four thousand years after Adam left the Garden when, in connection with the violent activity of the surrounding volcanoes and the submergence of the Sicilian land bridge to Africa, the eastern floor of the Mediterranean Sea sank, carrying down beneath the waters the whole of the Edenic peninsula. Concomitant with this vast submergence the coast line of the eastern Mediterranean was greatly elevated. And this was the end of the most beautiful natural creation that Urantia has ever harbored. The sinking was not sudden, several hundred years being required completely to submerge the entire peninsula. -The Urantia Book



Until recently evolutionists have claimed that the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon. For nearly 50 years those who accept the creation model have shown the difficulties with the evolution model. The elevation of the entrance area to the Grand Canyon is 3318 feet. As one views the USGS elevation map the Grand Canyon is not a valley that the river runs through but a mountain ridge:

https://elevationmap.net/533-marina-parkway-page-az-86040-usa#latlng=(36.97663304733936,-111.4514163955833)

Clicking ones mouse at various points on this web site displays the elevation. The highest peak is 8128 feet. So the question is how does river water flow uphill from 3318 feet to 8128 feet? This is an elevation of 4810 feet that the Colorado River would have to have flowed up hill!

This nonconformity was published 45 years ago and vigorously discounted by geologists who adhere to evolution. After all this time some geologists are admitting that the river could not have created the Grand Canyon. Some geologists now theorize that geological tectonic plate movement (over 4 million years) created the Canyon. However, when looking at the sides of the Canyon the erosion patterns are horizontal: giving credence to the idea of a massive movement of water. If only tectonic plate movement were involved then the patterns should be vertical only.

The creationist view is that both happened. During Noah's flood there was seismic activity as well as massive movements of water.

Devilishly01's photo
Tue 06/12/18 06:46 AM
I say man created god in his image. not the other way around. look at the origins of the abrahamic religions, Abraham was from Babylon and the sky god in their pantheon was named Jehovah. when you add to the fact that the first savior God was Horus, and dyonisus was the first god to be named alpha and Omega it's pretty clear that the big 3 at least, took most of it's ideas from surrounding cultures.

iam_resurrected's photo
Tue 06/12/18 08:52 AM
Edited by iam_resurrected on Tue 06/12/18 08:53 AM

I say man created god in his image. not the other way around. look at the origins of the abrahamic religions, Abraham was from Babylon and the sky god in their pantheon was named Jehovah. when you add to the fact that the first savior God was Horus, and dyonisus was the first god to be named alpha and Omega it's pretty clear that the big 3 at least, took most of it's ideas from surrounding cultures.








actually, to find the absolute TRUTH concerning Abraham, one needs to find/read the correct set of scrolls.

here is how the Torah explains it in plain English:

"The baby Abraham, with his mother and nurse, were hidden in a cave for ten years.

At the age of three years, Abraham knew that it was silly to worship the sun or any other idol, but that there was a great G‑d, who created the sun and the moon, and the whole world, who, though Himself unseen, sees everything and knows everything, and is the real King of the World, more powerful than Nimrod. And since that time, Abraham's faith in G‑d grew stronger every day.

At the age of ten, Abraham decided to leave the cave and to go to old Noah and Shem, of whom his mother had told him many wonderful stories. Unknown to anybody, Abraham made his way from the low country to the mountainous region of Ararat in the land of Kedem, where Noah and his family lived. He was made welcome by old Noah and Shem, who taught him all they knew about G‑d and the ways of G‑d.

Abraham stayed there for nearly 39 years, until the year 1997. It was at the end of this period, when he was 48 years old, while still at Noah's house, that Abraham heard about the world-shattering event of the Tower of Babel, which took place in the land of Shinear, where Nimrod reigned supreme. Nimrod and his people wanted to build a tower that would reach up to heaven, so that they might establish their reign upon the heaven as well as on the earth. It was the height of arrogance and defiance of men against G‑d, and it led to confusion and to their dispersal and division into seventy tongues and nations. Abraham decided that it was high time for him to go out and teach them the truth about G‑d, and about the falsehood and worthlessness of the idols. He knew that in defying Nimrod, and even his own father, he would be risking his life, for Nimrod had proclaimed himself god and demanded that all the people worship him."




this portion of scripture you cannot find in the KJV or modern Bibles.

and yes, Abraham was from Iraq [Babylon]. his child with Hagar makes Ishmael 50% Egyptian/50% Iraq, and the promised son Isaac would be 100% Iraq.

So, the Hebrew/Jews are in fact related to modern day Muslims!!

no photo
Tue 06/12/18 08:53 AM
Well said religion is to regulate us not to fight

iam_resurrected's photo
Tue 06/12/18 08:56 AM
After reading what i just posted, the question then would be how did Abraham learn of YAHWEH??

when Abraham was born, Noah and his sons were still alive. and this exert will show connection from Noah to Adam back to Abraham...



"Abraham was the tenth generation removed from Noah, being a direct descendant of Shem, (Noah's son), the father of all the "Semitic" peoples. When Abraham was born, Shem was 390 years Old, and his father Noah was 892 years old. Abraham was 58 years old when Noah died. These are important facts, for, as we shall see later, Abraham spent many years in the house of Noah and Shem, and received instruction from them. Thus he learned all the details about the Flood from the very men who built the Ark and survived the Flood. (Noah knew Methuselah for many hundreds of years, who in turn knew Adam for many hundreds of years, which means that Abraham received reliable information about everything that happened since the very first day of Creation!)."

BlakeIAM's photo
Tue 06/12/18 05:05 PM

I say man created god in his image. not the other way around. look at the origins of the abrahamic religions, Abraham was from Babylon and the sky god in their pantheon was named Jehovah. when you add to the fact that the first savior God was Horus, and dyonisus was the first god to be named alpha and Omega it's pretty clear that the big 3 at least, took most of it's ideas from surrounding cultures.


And, you would be wrong.
God created man.

ReserveCorp's photo
Tue 06/12/18 11:38 PM

After reading what i just posted, the question then would be how did Abraham learn of YAHWEH??


Abraham learned of God from Melchizedek.

Read Paper 93 in The Urantia Book: PAPER 93, MACHIVENTA MELCHIZEDEK

It's 11 pages in the book.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 06/13/18 01:51 AM
No one should ever follow religion.
Follow God.

I did write "WAS following"

Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 06/13/18 01:58 AM
Man created religion and attempted to define God.
God created the Universe and Man is part of the Universe.
The Universe is the result of a state change from nothing to something.
God is the one that initiated the state change.

BlakeIAM's photo
Wed 06/13/18 03:46 PM

No one should ever follow religion.
Follow God.

I did write "WAS following"


Cool. I didn't read where anyone stated differently.


Tom4Uhere's photo
Wed 06/13/18 04:20 PM
Forgive me, I am so 'used to' my posts being pecked apart I thought you were talking to me and trying to tell me something I already know.
The failure was on my part not yours. I failed to grasp your general intent.
Which, of course is correct, nobody should 'follow' religion.


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