Topic: Of "Free money" and 'entitlement'
msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:16 AM







What does it matter where trump buys her stuff. you've just admitted that you went up market when you could afford it so makes you no different!


OMG! are you serious right now?

the point isn't about where the Trumps buy their stuff, it is not about the TRUMPS

the TRUMPS are a well known wealthy family, so they were an EXAMPLE of how making more does indeed affect whether people are WILLING TO SPEND MORE.

me no longer shopping at dollar stores is ALSO an example of how making more affects whether people are WILLING TO SPEND MORE.






YOU brought Ms Trump up for not buying at Sears!


yes, as part of a larger example in which I also used myself.


She can buy what she wants. Should have nothing to do with anything. Why question where Trump came in?



read the thread, Im really not here for arguing.

the point being put forth between mikey and I is my pov that if people make money and as they make more money, they are willing to pay more.

my examples included someone at the lower scale of income and spending, ME

AND

someone at the higher scale of income and spending, MS TRUMP





I READ THE THREAD! YOU brought the Trumps into it and opened that door.

I have never collected assistance. Even when I couldn't work because I was taking care of my grandmother, I would still clean houses. Point being....people (unless some disability stops them) can do something to work. Most don't (my older sister in fact and many others I know and call out).

I have plantar fasciitis and it effects my hips and back...gueas what? I still do as much manual labor as I can. I need a sit down job. I won't get money for nothing.

The Trumps have nothing to do with it. You brought it up...not sure your point in that. They have money and can do as they want. You took it off topic. Don't blame others


whoa

I 'blamed' noone. I stated facts regarding people being WILLING TO SPEND MORE if they make more.

that is the topic I was discussing with Mikey, it's fairly simple.

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:17 AM





That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



I will buy based upon what I can afford. how and where it gets there is not a consideration. only price, which is dictated by what one can spend.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:19 AM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Sun 09/24/17 11:22 AM








What does it matter where trump buys her stuff. you've just admitted that you went up market when you could afford it so makes you no different!


OMG! are you serious right now?

the point isn't about where the Trumps buy their stuff, it is not about the TRUMPS

the TRUMPS are a well known wealthy family, so they were an EXAMPLE of how making more does indeed affect whether people are WILLING TO SPEND MORE.

me no longer shopping at dollar stores is ALSO an example of how making more affects whether people are WILLING TO SPEND MORE.






YOU brought Ms Trump up for not buying at Sears!


yes, as part of a larger example in which I also used myself.


She can buy what she wants. Should have nothing to do with anything. Why question where Trump came in?



read the thread, Im really not here for arguing.

the point being put forth between mikey and I is my pov that if people make money and as they make more money, they are willing to pay more.

my examples included someone at the lower scale of income and spending, ME

AND

someone at the higher scale of income and spending, MS TRUMP





I READ THE THREAD! YOU brought the Trumps into it and opened that door.

I have never collected assistance. Even when I couldn't work because I was taking care of my grandmother, I would still clean houses. Point being....people (unless some disability stops them) can do something to work. Most don't (my older sister in fact and many others I know and call out).

I have plantar fasciitis and it effects my hips and back...gueas what? I still do as much manual labor as I can. I need a sit down job. I won't get money for nothing.

The Trumps have nothing to do with it. You brought it up...not sure your point in that. They have money and can do as they want. You took it off topic. Don't blame others


whoa

I 'blamed' noone. I stated facts regarding people being WILLING TO SPEND MORE if they make more.

that is the topic I was discussing with Mikey, it's fairly simple.


Should be simple... I agree. I guess you missed everything else I said. You (the OP made the Trumps an issue and ignored my on topic

I busted my butt taking care of my grandmother while still cleaning toilets! Others can work too! Focus!

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:20 AM






That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



I will buy based upon what I can afford. how and where it gets there is not a consideration. only price, which is dictated by what one can spend.


THEN WHY DID YOU BRING UP MS TRUMP!

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:24 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 09/24/17 11:25 AM









What does it matter where trump buys her stuff. you've just admitted that you went up market when you could afford it so makes you no different!


OMG! are you serious right now?

the point isn't about where the Trumps buy their stuff, it is not about the TRUMPS

the TRUMPS are a well known wealthy family, so they were an EXAMPLE of how making more does indeed affect whether people are WILLING TO SPEND MORE.

me no longer shopping at dollar stores is ALSO an example of how making more affects whether people are WILLING TO SPEND MORE.






YOU brought Ms Trump up for not buying at Sears!


yes, as part of a larger example in which I also used myself.


She can buy what she wants. Should have nothing to do with anything. Why question where Trump came in?



read the thread, Im really not here for arguing.

the point being put forth between mikey and I is my pov that if people make money and as they make more money, they are willing to pay more.

my examples included someone at the lower scale of income and spending, ME

AND

someone at the higher scale of income and spending, MS TRUMP





I READ THE THREAD! YOU brought the Trumps into it and opened that door.

I have never collected assistance. Even when I couldn't work because I was taking care of my grandmother, I would still clean houses. Point being....people (unless some disability stops them) can do something to work. Most don't (my older sister in fact and many others I know and call out).

I have plantar fasciitis and it effects my hips and back...gueas what? I still do as much manual labor as I can. I need a sit down job. I won't get money for nothing.

The Trumps have nothing to do with it. You brought it up...not sure your point in that. They have money and can do as they want. You took it off topic. Don't blame others


whoa

I 'blamed' noone. I stated facts regarding people being WILLING TO SPEND MORE if they make more.

that is the topic I was discussing with Mikey, it's fairly simple.


Should be simple... I agree. I guess you missed everything else I said. You (the OP made the Trumps an issue and ignored my on topic

I busted my butt taking care of my grandmother while still cleaning toilets! Others can work too! Focus!




I didnt make Trump an issue, I used Ms trump as an example, the issue was made by the ones focusing on that example as if it was the point.

lots of people bust their butts, yes.

lots of people can work.. yes.

I am FOCUSED on the POINT i was making regarding whether people will spend more when they can make more.

I am focused on the simple point I made in my op on this matter and the back and forth I was having with Mikey. I do not know what others are 'focused' on but if its Trump, they should move on.

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:25 AM







That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



I will buy based upon what I can afford. how and where it gets there is not a consideration. only price, which is dictated by what one can spend.


THEN WHY DID YOU BRING UP MS TRUMP!


REALLY?

as an EXAMPLE, the same way I brought up myself, the same way YOU are bringing up how hard you worked. EXAMPLES of a point being made.

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:28 AM



I'm off to make dinner. potatoes, carrots and peas, all grown in the UK but picked by polish or other European labour because the one's on benefits here couldn't be bothered to do it!


or apparently the ones NOT on benefits either...

enjoy your supper.


Oh please tell me you aren't telling others how to do dinner now laugh



tell me you are ready to move on from personal crap now ...laugh

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:28 AM








That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



I will buy based upon what I can afford. how and where it gets there is not a consideration. only price, which is dictated by what one can spend.


THEN WHY DID YOU BRING UP MS TRUMP!


REALLY?

as an EXAMPLE, the same way I brought up myself, the same way YOU are bringing up how hard you worked. EXAMPLES of a point being made.


THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MONEY! Stupid example

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:30 AM









That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



I will buy based upon what I can afford. how and where it gets there is not a consideration. only price, which is dictated by what one can spend.


THEN WHY DID YOU BRING UP MS TRUMP!


REALLY?

as an EXAMPLE, the same way I brought up myself, the same way YOU are bringing up how hard you worked. EXAMPLES of a point being made.


THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MONEY! Stupid example


do you live to argue with me, seriously?

yes , EVERYONE would have their 'own money' in the proposal Mike and i were discussing. that has nothing to do with it.

the point is whether people will spend more with that money or not.

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:33 AM










That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



I will buy based upon what I can afford. how and where it gets there is not a consideration. only price, which is dictated by what one can spend.


THEN WHY DID YOU BRING UP MS TRUMP!


REALLY?

as an EXAMPLE, the same way I brought up myself, the same way YOU are bringing up how hard you worked. EXAMPLES of a point being made.


THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MONEY! Stupid example


do you live to argue with me, seriously?

yes , EVERYONE would have their 'own money' in the proposal Mike and i were discussing. that has nothing to do with it.

the point is whether people will spend more with that money or not.


Me? Argue with YOU? laugh

You do that enough youself with everyone

YOU brought the Trumps in. Stupid example! They have their own money!

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:34 AM
I feel for you..flowerforyou

no photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:45 AM






That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



no, for me, I dont research to merely shop.

For me, I believe the government should be 'regulating' the where before it gets to the place where the customer only has to choose the 'what'



Haven't they done enough regulating/screwing? The only thing they should be regulating is their a$$es out of office, all of them. Time for a culture change.

no photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:47 AM
I have to say, on a different subject. well kind of, someone on this site who lives in Florida and runs the coffee shop seems to be getting some help with damage and lost earnings so your system must be working!
Not that I am familiar with it.

no photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:52 AM






That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



no, for me, I dont research to merely shop.

For me, I believe the government should be 'regulating' the where before it gets to the place where the customer only has to choose the 'what'



Haven't they done enough regulating/screwing? The only thing they should be regulating is their a$$es out of office, all of them. Time for a culture change.

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:54 AM







That is the problem. You won't and nor will anyone else pay more, if that were the case then you and we wouldn't import so much that could be made at home.


You nor I have any real input into importation...

When I was a kid, I only paid for things at the dollar store

as I grew older, made more, I shopped at pricier places

Ms Trump does not buy her clothes from SEARS

,,yes, the more we make, the more we are willing to pay ....




Of course we do!
Cars, parts for boing aircraft, clothing the list goes on. even cheap rubbish at the store! Clothing, cheap or a thousand $is mostly made in poorer countries


and how do I have any say in where those companies choose to make their products?

Because the customer "you "dictates the price!
If shoes from China are $10 and the exact shoes made in the us are $20 where will you buy plus the lefties crating all these so good employment laws to "protect "people have out priced your and our industry



no, for me, I dont research to merely shop.

For me, I believe the government should be 'regulating' the where before it gets to the place where the customer only has to choose the 'what'



Haven't they done enough regulating/screwing? The only thing they should be regulating is their a$$es out of office, all of them. Time for a culture change.


and what is your opinion of reinvesting the 'entitlement' funds to a 'guaranteed employment' fund instead?

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:55 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 09/24/17 11:56 AM

I have to say, on a different subject. well kind of, someone on this site who lives in Florida and runs the coffee shop seems to be getting some help with damage and lost earnings so your system must be working!
Not that I am familiar with it.


you and I both know that every system works for 'somebody' but that doesnt mean its working over all,,,


or that it cant work better..

in the US , some have issue with 'their' money(taxes) 'helping' those who they feel dont deserve it due to their employment status

this system would save those people money AND eliminate the concern about who 'deserves' what ....

no photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:57 AM
Well as long as that somebody survives with that help then that's good enough for me!

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/24/17 11:58 AM

Well as long as that somebody survives with that help then that's good enough for me!


well, that sounds like brit thinking ..lol

american thinking is too often that everyone should only 'help' themselves or their own personal loved ones...

yellowrose10's photo
Sun 09/24/17 12:06 PM

I feel for you..flowerforyou


Not back at ya (quote button is helpful)..laugh

dust4fun's photo
Sun 09/24/17 12:06 PM



I wonder how people feel about investing 12 years of their life to education,but come out with as much of an education as it takes to flip hamburgers at McDonald's//So ya mean I went to school for 12 years to start at the bottom.

I feel the biggest thing we could do for the citizens of these United States is to provide a better education system so that starting at the bottom becomes a thing of the past,

You give people entitlement money ya feed them monthly give them a better more advanced education and you give them the ability to make money..

You hear all about these companies that can't find the skilled workers you incorporate these companies into the education system which for the schools would become financially better for them as well because the companies would be investing in the schools as well

To me the education system is old and outdated and that if you don't advance the people at better pace more conducive with the times then you will just start them as a fry cook in some dank nowhere job ...spock

Someone else paid the $150,000 for that k-12 education and someone has to flip burgers if McDonalds or any service based industry is going to exist. Half of all people working in the US have worked at McDonalds, and if that is all you get out of your education maybe YOU are the one that needs to put more into it, not the system. Are you saying people should start at the top and then work their way down so by the time they are retiring they are McDonald employees? Because someone has to do it unless you think we should bring in foreigners to do any and all entry level jobs. People chose what they make of things, their are many successful people in the US, there are many hardworking people who are doing pretty good in the US, and there are many that just don't put out the effort to do better than to flip burgers at McDonalds. Should we. Punish those who do good and reward those who chose to do the minimum to get by? Should people be in school and retired longer than they work? And who's going to pay for this?