since noone has never made a claim of seeing God or meeting God that wasn't deem as being certifiable then isn't it logical that God is just a happenstance of fantasy or delusion, this fact can be further proved when a believer attempt to describe God

so can anyone describe God without the description sounding like that of delusion or the person making the description sounding irrational

if you can not describe God without sounding delusional and yet insist on worshipping something unseen and incomprehensible that you can't even describe ... sounds delusional to me

There are many unseen things that exist and are undeniable, air for example. I would not claim that there is absolutely a god, but no one should deny the possibility of one's existence. The evidence is inconclusive, therefore the existence is inconclusive as well.

Why would anyone want to DESCRIBE God?

Which God do you want described?

Could you be a bit more specific?

Because my god just is.

i have never seen him but i have faith he is there....

every time i look at my son i see god everytime i personis niceto me i meet god feel me?

but is air incomprehensible and is there any dispute that air doesn't exist ...

Depends on your faith, I guess.

Awesome, powerful and caring. That is my description of Him. I don't need to see Him to know He's there for me.

One day, sitting on my porch in the middle of the afternoon on a summer day I noticed a cricket singing in a tree across the lawn.

Listening to birds, traffic and smelling the fragrance of the clean coastal breezes from over the mountain behind my home, the abundant roses in my garden, te blackberries on the cobblestone walls of the crrek some 30-40' away from me and the gardenias even closer had me quite pleased with the moment.

I gazed on the tree which perced the cricket and pondered the thought of seeing how a cricket makes its song.....

....the tree, some 40' away and across the lawn.....

...my eyes seemed focused on one particular spot on the tree, and in my mind a quiet and soft and still voice said, "go see".

I raised myself from my chair, set down my drink, and walked to the tree maintaining my focus on the spot of my interest in the tree.

The closer I got the clearer the spot became.

My aim seem intently fixed upon one spot that would not relinquish attention and determination.

I reached the tree and focused exactly without effort or correection at a cricket on a branch hidden well from view and shadowed by leaves and safe from attack from any predatorial advance, yet turned not once upon my inspection and began to sing.

Now I know how a cricket sings and it doesn't use a vocal instrument, it uses itself.

This is how I describe my God.

While I'm not that religious, I would offer, "Ethereal".

No dispute air exists, but throughout history, lots of things didn't "exist" due to lack of understanding or knowledge. For example, other planets, i.e. a solar system that revolves around the sun. An example closer to home, the continents of North and South America. More recent, dark matter and things of black hole like nature.

Not suggesting God will be "discovered", but all the things mentioned above that do exist started off with their existence in the faith realm.

faith like delusion doesn't exist pass one's mind

probably what Mary said when she looked at Jesus

that descrption could apply to anyone ..even President Bush

It is as you said the other day funches, He is the I AM. There is no describing Him. He is in all things and the creator of all things. That is what the Bible teaches us. We are not meant to describe God. Because what people of faith see is nonsense to everyone else. It is hog wash or "delusional fantasies". So there is really no sense in describing God. Because to man God makes no sense.

Faith, hope, wishes, etc....yes, not empirical concepts. But it doesn't equate to delusion. Delusion implies something that is false or psychotic. Plus it's degrading to people who need/want faith in their lives. No point in being judgmental since those with faith are no better than those without, and vice versa.

Arguments of faith are always ties because just as one cannot prove to you God exists, we cannot prove that God does not exist. Absence of evidence doesn't make something not exist, it just keeps it in the realm of ideas and possibility. The only way something doesn't exist is the same way it does exist, with facts.

You want to have the indescribable described, but you refuse any description of it, sounds fishy to me.
What is, is.

well crickets sing to find females

LOL..oh got to LOVE this post!

I happen to believe there is a "God", not not just from a "faith" perspective. But more of a "factual" one.

And it seems that you are trying to coverse "religion" and "faith" with "fact'. Therefore there will always be contradiction.

So lets look at it from your level..."factual".

Even Einstein himself, before his death said he believed there was an "ultimate creator". Not naming "God" specifically, however knowing for FACT all these thing, not even in our own world, but everything outside we have never even discovered yet, had a "master designer".

If you believe in something like "evelution", well frankly you are an idiot. That "theory" is so lame and weak, because right in front of you is the clear evidence that the evelution" theory is IMPOSSIBLE. Why, well you go to the zoo and see the monkeys .. and then here we are as humans. Where are they "evelutionary in-betweens"?? There are NONE because "evelution" is bogus and false.

So even with what little we do know as humans even today is nothing comapred to "God" or "master designer" who has made all of this. If you think all of this "just happened", well gain, you're an idiot (not being sarcastic or hateful..its just fact .. a non-thinking mind)

So whether you want to put it as "God" or "master creator" or however you want to term it. He does exist and is way beyond any type of human comprehension. We as humans, are idiots. we were given a perfect planet and look how we screw it up out of our own selfiness.

So you want fact? There is your facts.