Topic: Bad sheriff
Workin4it's photo
Mon 02/26/18 05:36 PM
The sheriff of Broward county Fla. Should be removed from office immediately . He should be held responsible for the 30 calls to his office regarding incidents committed by Cruz, and the numerous tips about his F.B. posts or the crazy statements he made at different schools. And nothing was done. He should also be responsible for the cowardly acts his deputy's displayed . All the while in his own mind he's lead w/ tremendous leadership, and compared himself to Abe Lincoln and Martin Luther King. He's a bad joke and an embarrassment to my former hometown. He's got to go!

msharmony's photo
Mon 02/26/18 05:49 PM
It would be interesting to know the details and facts regarding what 'authority' the different agencies had in terms of what they legally would be ABLE to do to prevent the incident.


It is interesting for him to speak out against a previously well awarded member of his office, when the facts coming out speak to information over the scanners initially being about shooting from OUTSIDE, with the added obstacle of such a large 45 acre campus and more than a dozen buildings making it much more reasonable that a security person would be outside for four minutes in the confusion trying to assess what was happening, instead of running 'inside' away from where the threat was initially being reported.




Workin4it's photo
Mon 02/26/18 06:19 PM

It would be interesting to know the details and facts regarding what 'authority' the different agencies had in terms of what they legally would be ABLE to do to prevent the incident.


It is interesting for him to speak out against a previously well awarded member of his office, when the facts coming out speak to information over the scanners initially being about shooting from OUTSIDE, with the added obstacle of such a large 45 acre campus and more than a dozen buildings making it much more reasonable that a security person would be outside for four minutes in the confusion trying to assess what was happening, instead of running 'inside' away from where the threat was initially being reported.




some sources are saying that there was a stand down order given, until reinforcements got there, what ever the failure was , it is unbelievable how an armed person wouldn't go in and try to save the lives of children. No excuse

msharmony's photo
Mon 02/26/18 06:29 PM
It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.

Workin4it's photo
Mon 02/26/18 06:33 PM

It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.

msharmony's photo
Mon 02/26/18 06:36 PM


It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.


after more access to more accurate information, Im sure they did.

Workin4it's photo
Mon 02/26/18 07:17 PM



It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.


after more access to more accurate information, Im sure they did.
How does one dept. have correct info and another doesn't when they are hearing all radio communication from law enforcement. 3 deputy's his behind their patrol cars and the other his behind a building. Or were they deaf and couldn't hear the shots from an AR15.

msharmony's photo
Mon 02/26/18 07:53 PM




It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.


after more access to more accurate information, Im sure they did.
How does one dept. have correct info and another doesn't when they are hearing all radio communication from law enforcement. 3 deputy's his behind their patrol cars and the other his behind a building. Or were they deaf and couldn't hear the shots from an AR15.


easy.

Minute one : Report of firecrackers being set off on the grounds.
Minute two: Report firecrackers may be gunfire.
Minute three: Report of victim in the football field.
Minute four: shooting may be happening in one of the buildings
Minute five: Shooting confirmed to be inside where students are
Minute six: Building where shooter is currently is pin pointed


... see there?

all hearing the same info, the ones who get to minute FIVE AND SIX will JUST THEN know where to go.

IF a shooter is outside, why would they 'run out in the open' to be targets before having information of best locations for a shot and why would they run 'into' any building.

As I said before this was 45 acres and 12 buildings with original information provided giving every indication something was happening outside, somewhere. The rest that happened in a short four minute span could be any number of things other than just KNOWING where the shooter was and WHERE to confront him and choosing not to.

Workin4it's photo
Tue 02/27/18 03:39 AM





It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.


after more access to more accurate information, Im sure they did.
How does one dept. have correct info and another doesn't when they are hearing all radio communication from law enforcement. 3 deputy's his behind their patrol cars and the other his behind a building. Or were they deaf and couldn't hear the shots from an AR15.


easy.

Minute one : Report of firecrackers being set off on the grounds.
Minute two: Report firecrackers may be gunfire.
Minute three: Report of victim in the football field.
Minute four: shooting may be happening in one of the buildings
Minute five: Shooting confirmed to be inside where students are
Minute six: Building where shooter is currently is pin pointed


... see there?

all hearing the same info, the ones who get to minute FIVE AND SIX will JUST THEN know where to go.

IF a shooter is outside, why would they 'run out in the open' to be targets before having information of best locations for a shot and why would they run 'into' any building.

As I said before this was 45 acres and 12 buildings with original information provided giving every indication something was happening outside, somewhere. The rest that happened in a short four minute span could be any number of things other than just KNOWING where the shooter was and WHERE to confront him and choosing not to.
Sounds like pure speculation, I'm reporting what info has been put out there , not a figment of my imagination. Things don't always work out like some peoples fictious explanations.

msharmony's photo
Tue 02/27/18 10:22 AM






It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.


after more access to more accurate information, Im sure they did.
How does one dept. have correct info and another doesn't when they are hearing all radio communication from law enforcement. 3 deputy's his behind their patrol cars and the other his behind a building. Or were they deaf and couldn't hear the shots from an AR15.


easy.

Minute one : Report of firecrackers being set off on the grounds.
Minute two: Report firecrackers may be gunfire.
Minute three: Report of victim in the football field.
Minute four: shooting may be happening in one of the buildings
Minute five: Shooting confirmed to be inside where students are
Minute six: Building where shooter is currently is pin pointed


... see there?

all hearing the same info, the ones who get to minute FIVE AND SIX will JUST THEN know where to go.

IF a shooter is outside, why would they 'run out in the open' to be targets before having information of best locations for a shot and why would they run 'into' any building.

As I said before this was 45 acres and 12 buildings with original information provided giving every indication something was happening outside, somewhere. The rest that happened in a short four minute span could be any number of things other than just KNOWING where the shooter was and WHERE to confront him and choosing not to.
Sounds like pure speculation, I'm reporting what info has been put out there , not a figment of my imagination. Things don't always work out like some peoples fictious explanations.


his hiding is also speculation, more than one side was 'put out there', the sheriff(possibly passing the buck due to what else was 'put out there')

said the guard was 'hiding', the guard said he was 'taking position', the media confirmed that initial dispatch implied the shooting was OUTSIDE and the campus was 45 acres big with a dozen buildings .... nothing speculative, except whether he was 'hiding' or 'taking position' which seems to be upheld by the information regarding what was going out over the radio during that time regarding the area of the threat.


msharmony's photo
Tue 02/27/18 10:22 AM






It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.


after more access to more accurate information, Im sure they did.
How does one dept. have correct info and another doesn't when they are hearing all radio communication from law enforcement. 3 deputy's his behind their patrol cars and the other his behind a building. Or were they deaf and couldn't hear the shots from an AR15.


easy.

Minute one : Report of firecrackers being set off on the grounds.
Minute two: Report firecrackers may be gunfire.
Minute three: Report of victim in the football field.
Minute four: shooting may be happening in one of the buildings
Minute five: Shooting confirmed to be inside where students are
Minute six: Building where shooter is currently is pin pointed


... see there?

all hearing the same info, the ones who get to minute FIVE AND SIX will JUST THEN know where to go.

IF a shooter is outside, why would they 'run out in the open' to be targets before having information of best locations for a shot and why would they run 'into' any building.

As I said before this was 45 acres and 12 buildings with original information provided giving every indication something was happening outside, somewhere. The rest that happened in a short four minute span could be any number of things other than just KNOWING where the shooter was and WHERE to confront him and choosing not to.
Sounds like pure speculation, I'm reporting what info has been put out there , not a figment of my imagination. Things don't always work out like some peoples fictious explanations.


his hiding is also speculation, more than one side was 'put out there', the sheriff(possibly passing the buck due to what else was 'put out there')

said the guard was 'hiding', the guard said he was 'taking position', the media confirmed that initial dispatch implied the shooting was OUTSIDE and the campus was 45 acres big with a dozen buildings .... nothing speculative, except whether he was 'hiding' or 'taking position' which seems to be upheld by the information regarding what was going out over the radio during that time regarding the area of the threat.


Workin4it's photo
Tue 02/27/18 02:42 PM







It is not unbelievable that a person on that size of a campus (45 acres) with that many buildings (12) being told there were victims outside, would not know which 'in' they were supposed to go 'in' to, in order to aide the victims.
the coral gables police knew exactly what building to go in including off duty police officers.


after more access to more accurate information, Im sure they did.
How does one dept. have correct info and another doesn't when they are hearing all radio communication from law enforcement. 3 deputy's his behind their patrol cars and the other his behind a building. Or were they deaf and couldn't hear the shots from an AR15.


easy.

Minute one : Report of firecrackers being set off on the grounds.
Minute two: Report firecrackers may be gunfire.
Minute three: Report of victim in the football field.
Minute four: shooting may be happening in one of the buildings
Minute five: Shooting confirmed to be inside where students are
Minute six: Building where shooter is currently is pin pointed


... see there?

all hearing the same info, the ones who get to minute FIVE AND SIX will JUST THEN know where to go.

IF a shooter is outside, why would they 'run out in the open' to be targets before having information of best locations for a shot and why would they run 'into' any building.

As I said before this was 45 acres and 12 buildings with original information provided giving every indication something was happening outside, somewhere. The rest that happened in a short four minute span could be any number of things other than just KNOWING where the shooter was and WHERE to confront him and choosing not to.
Sounds like pure speculation, I'm reporting what info has been put out there , not a figment of my imagination. Things don't always work out like some peoples fictious explanations.


his hiding is also speculation, more than one side was 'put out there', the sheriff(possibly passing the buck due to what else was 'put out there')

said the guard was 'hiding', the guard said he was 'taking position', the media confirmed that initial dispatch implied the shooting was OUTSIDE and the campus was 45 acres big with a dozen buildings .... nothing speculative, except whether he was 'hiding' or 'taking position' which seems to be upheld by the information regarding what was going out over the radio during that time regarding the area of the threat.


yea, he was taking position behind the building that was being shot up, and he was aiming his weapon at the entrance while 3 other deputy's were taking position behind there cars guns drawn and focused on the same building. There's video showing that. Also there were orders to not let the EMT personal in to treat wounded. I don't have a problem with officers if they were ordered not to enter, but cops usually have the info just where the shooter is. Someone called 911 and reported it. Makes sense they would pinpoint where the shooting was occurring .

msharmony's photo
Tue 02/27/18 02:44 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 02/27/18 02:46 PM
too bad there is no timeline disclosed of minute by minute what was happening and what information was being shared though ...

also, though I have 'heard' people make claims about what can be seen on video. I have found no place to view it for myself.


no photo
Tue 02/27/18 04:48 PM


I wonder how many of those kids and teachers in that building had a phone..and no one called..really..I'm finding that a little hard to believe..someone needs to contact the service providers and see what's up with that..cuz that's a little hard to believe..but we'll see...spock

msharmony's photo
Tue 02/27/18 06:26 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 02/27/18 06:28 PM
Who knows. It must have been chaotic. By the time anyone was SURE what was going on most were probably hiding and trying to remain quiet.

I have read texts they were sending to loved ones, but I dont think 911 has a text feature and loved ones probably called in with what information they could. But again, in such a terrible dangerous unexpected and chaotic situation, who knows.




no photo
Tue 02/27/18 06:38 PM


True enough..Hard to tell what happened with the information at this time,maybe once we catch up to technology,but for now all we have is speculations and opinions..you never really know until you're in that type of situation just what is what..sad part about sitting on the sidelines is the only information is that which they give you..You really don't know ..and sometimes you never do..

But I will say this ..That kid should not get his inheritance it should either go to the school.the kids or the hospital bills..but definitely not his legal fees..

They should give him the worst court appointed attorney they can find..or someone who is willing to take his case pro bono just for the publicity...smile2

Rock's photo
Tue 02/27/18 08:17 PM
Vagina hats, should be a mandatory part of
the Coward County sheriff's department uniform.


Workin4it's photo
Wed 02/28/18 03:26 AM

Who knows. It must have been chaotic. By the time anyone was SURE what was going on most were probably hiding and trying to remain quiet.

I have read texts they were sending to loved ones, but I dont think 911 has a text feature and loved ones probably called in with what information they could. But again, in such a terrible dangerous unexpected and chaotic situation, who knows.




it sounds like you think you know, but I guess the video I saw and many others saw was a figment of our imagination. Because you didn't see it it can't be true. I know what I saw and I take your commints as pure wishful thinking.

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/28/18 01:00 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 02/28/18 01:03 PM


Who knows. It must have been chaotic. By the time anyone was SURE what was going on most were probably hiding and trying to remain quiet.

I have read texts they were sending to loved ones, but I dont think 911 has a text feature and loved ones probably called in with what information they could. But again, in such a terrible dangerous unexpected and chaotic situation, who knows.




it sounds like you think you know, but I guess the video I saw and many others saw was a figment of our imagination. Because you didn't see it it can't be true. I know what I saw and I take your commints as pure wishful thinking.



how does 'who knows' sound like I know? I said I could not find video of the guards actions and only have his boss's account of what HE saw, as well as strangers prone to exaggeration telling me what they saw. Since the sherrif himself said they wouldn't release the footage without a subpoena.

I prefer to see for myself and draw my own conclusion of whether what I see with my own eyes, lines up with what the guard said. I already have seen verification that what was going out over the radio lined up with what he said about believing shots were outside.

I dont know what you saw. Sorry. My comments are logical conclusions from what I have seen verified through numerous sources regarding the RADIO communications dispatched to the guard and those the guard made to dispatch.