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Topic: Sexual repression. Did it really happen, and f yes why?
IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 04/29/18 03:44 PM
I forgot to postulate "why" sexual repression has taken place.

Historically, it has happened in various places for different reasons. Although nominally, religious beliefs have played a part, what primarily to blame, is government.

One of the reasons why some of us cherish NON-religious government these days, is precisely because when religion gets tied into governments, the religion invariably gets used by the government, to arrange for more control of everyone. Even in places where it appears that religion itself is running the government.

Sexual repression and control in general, has been part of everything from catering to religious elements, in order to enlist them in oppressing the populace at large, to using sexual issues to channeling important land ownership into the hands of particular individuals.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sun 04/29/18 11:10 PM
Part of the reason why you are so open to assuming that history has been "doctored," is that it has been.

I agree.
History is documented by the ones in power.
Information is withheld based on morals and agendas.

The only history that is accurate and only sometimes is the history based on your own personal experience.
However, even personal memory is "doctored" to fit your selective memory.

Example: "I was arrested and did nothing wrong"
The fact is you were arrested because the police thought you did something wrong because the circumstances of your behavior implied that you did.
You omit those circumstances and account for a selected biased recall as history. You didn't do it but you fail to recount the reasons why the police thought you did. Your recount of the incident is true but it also omits the details. Your biased accounting illicits a response from others that the police treated you unfairly. However, when the details are included they would surmise that the police acted reasonably.

If you ask a veteran of World War 2 to account for the Japanese actions you will get a different response than if you ask a Japanese veteran the same question.

It makes me think of the thread found here recently about the remains of a Viking warrior. The remains were assumed to be male because the person assessing the remains felt they needed to hide the fact it was a woman to preserve an agenda. The truth eventually came out. This is because an unbiased researcher was more concerned with accuracy than any previous agendas.

This causes all 'discoveries' to be second guessed to their validity.
How much of the discoveries are based on agendas and how much is based on accuracy despite the agendas.

Were Native Americans savages or were they pistoff and fighting back against an invasion? Ask a frontiersman you get one accounting, ask a Native American and you get another. The actual truth lies someplace in between. Since the invaders document the accounting, they write and promote only their views.

Some things are not biased in accounting. Some things get a true accounting. The problem and issue is that we don't know which ones are accurate and which are biased.

Did man walk on the Moon? Unless you have a telescope that can resolve details so you can see the evidence that is still up there, you will never know for sure. But, there are unbiased accountings from people that do have such a telescope. It is the unbiased accounting that causes acceptance.

Everyone accepts that 9/11 happened. There are many conspiracies centered on why it happened. Unless you were there or if a conspiracy, were involved in the conspiracy, you can never know for sure. All the information is 2nd hand. Plus, there are people that flat out lie to advance a conspiracy theory. In this instance it falls to Occam's Razor as a source for validity.

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose there exist two explanations for an occurrence. In this case the simpler one is usually better. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation is.

Plus, there is the reasonable work needed to justify.
It is more likely that 9/11 happened just as accounted. The details are justified by their simplicity.

That being said, it still could be the result of a conspiracy because the people involved have the capacity and means to convince. The biggest issue is how the towers collapsed. Some will say it was strategically placed explosive charges. The accounting says it was from the heat produced by burning jet fuel. Jet airliners, full of jet fuel were involved. There is a greatest likeliness of the accounting because of the known conditions present. While that fact solidifies the accounting, there is still a possibility that shaped charges could have been used to fell the towers.
Its just that it is more likely the fuel was the cause. Without proof, nobody will actually know so all that is left is belief.

Sexual repression exists.
Sexual omission exists.
Sexual oppression exists.
Sexual expression exists.
Sexual suggestion exists.

We see sexual expression in many of the advertisements in media.
Sex Sells.
While actual sex acts are not displayed the desires of sexual expression are used to convince people to do, say and think a certain way.
Basically, they are using sex to manipulate you into doing something you may not normally do.
Sexual repression is used as a moral sublimity.
It works only because the majority of the target audience are religious.
As more and more people trust religion less than in the past, the sexual repression tactic is less and less effective.

Most government sponsored PSAs are devoid of anything having to do with sex or the desires associated with sex. This has more to do with the affinity of the targeted audience than the degree of influence or the affinity of the source.
As the morality of sexual expression increases, in the targeted audience, the tactic baseline will change.

We are conditioned, by our media exposure, to accept sexual expression.
There is a definite change in sexual expression in movies, TV shows and advertisements rather recently.

I watch a lot of movies.
More, in fact, than anyone I know or have known.
Recently I have noticed a trend in sexual display.
I have noticed a trend in acceptance of mixed couples, man on man, woman on woman and mixed gay couples.
Example:
Nearly every show will depict at least one white man with a black woman, a black man with a white woman or a black/white gay couple.
This trend is conditioning the public to accept these types of unions as normal. In reality it has been happening for a very long time but it was kept out of the public eye in media.
The trend is unnatural, not the unions, the display.
There is also a focus on sexual individuality but that is not as recent.
However, when you watch a movie from the 1930s, 40s, 50s, you don't 'see' those unions depicted, or they are depicted in a way that causes you to think it is a unique union and those participants are shown as dysfunctional.
While my accounting of the trend uses movies for the example, the actual trend crosses all media boundaries. Society is overloaded with media.
That media shapes our behavior by example.
The trends bleed over into other aspects of our exposure.
It is something that is being done on purpose to change our acceptance levels.
There is an agenda.
Personally, I think it is a change that is way overdue.
It promotes acceptance and toleration which could provide unity.
But, it is sexual expression, not sexual repression.

Tintin123454321's photo
Mon 04/30/18 04:42 AM
Maybe u are right. Maybe in all history all humans perverts, sleeping with animals etc. So maybe we should do the same too, so we dont stay behind. I mean at the great lgbt community, they are role models to us, our families and kids. I prefer the other side than u though, a clever faithful wife with healthy proud kids that love their parents and are not disgusted by them

Tintin123454321's photo
Mon 04/30/18 04:45 AM
If u read the book robinson crusoe written in 17th cent, todays society would seem as perverts. At that time humans could really think, they were modest and moral. I dont know where they found the artifacts they showed u in the university, maybe from an abandoned village in polynesia?

cajunman59's photo
Mon 04/30/18 10:37 AM
Of course it happened, danged wimmins kept sayin NO! :>P LOL

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