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I think it was Rene Descartes who wrote: "I think therefore I am" Following that and to tremendously simplify the answer is: people generally do not think independently - they follow. This regardless of geography. I totally disagree with that assessment since Cogito ergo sum argues that the mind is separate from his body. If anything you're interpretation of the quote is exactly the opposite as he advocates for the thinking man. |
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I have experienced miracles. God.
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Yeah see what you're saying but the bottom line is that All religion is pure fantasy. And we all know that, so it's crazy in my view that anyone should believe in any religion.
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Why do you believe what you believe? Because I am the only one that has experienced the things which I have experienced. Perhaps my experiences are nothing even close to your experiences but they are the only experiences I can consider as valid because I have experienced them. Your experiences may be valid to you but your experiences, to me, are actually nothing more than belief. The will always be just belief unless I actually experience them myself. When I consider things that are beyond my experience, I am actually considering things that are based upon my belief, not experience. So, I believe that which experience has taught me and that which makes sense to me based on things that I believe based on other's experiences. Then, because I have the ability to make sense of abstract concepts, I believe things that I can fathom to be reality without proof of experience. |
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I Do not no answer to this Why you believe what you believe?
its actually a true question?? |
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From GalaxyStarz I have experienced miracles. God. Amen. I also have experienced miracles. I have also experienced the presence of God and His Son within. I have been in the presence of the Almighty. |
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Fantasies!
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Fantasies! I am not sure what you mean by that, or who you are talking to. But if anyone is trying to disparage physical miracles, he/she must not be very well informed. I watched thousands of people healed in one afternoon. |
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Fantasies! I am not sure what you mean by that, or who you are talking to. But if anyone is trying to disparage physical miracles, he/she must not be very well informed. I watched thousands of people healed in one afternoon. I meant you. Either using drugs or having amazing dreams. If thousands can be healed in one afternoon, why isn’t everyone healed of everything? |
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People believe “what” they believe based on life experiences. Their perception is altered by many different factors including geography., parents upbringing, parents lack of upbringing etc etc!!! Depending what a person experiences in there life gives them “facts “ to make a decision or belief this^ at the end of the day, geography causes differences in the language of the belief, what things or entities may be called, et cetera. but the core beliefs come from living and drawing conclusions, like every other learned thing in our lives. we read a book, there is a concensus to the validity of facts, an acceptance of those things as 'facts', and bam, 'control' or how billions think.... but so what? it is how we learn it all, education and facts become validated through consensus and repeated application to other situations and facts that were attained through consensus and validation ... and it goes on and on. this is why there are SO many similarities, in my opinion, between all faith, regardless of their titles or regions of the world, because through life, billions come to a consensus regarding the validity and/or usefulness of the knowledge that is there. |
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I meant you. Either using drugs or having amazing dreams. If thousands can be healed in one afternoon, why isn’t everyone healed of everything? Actually, Kathryn Kuhlman was pretty famous in the 70s. She had her own TV show in the 60s and had written a couple of books. I saw her at one of her services in Calif. at the Shrine Auditorium. At least half of the house was healed that afternoon. That is about 3000 people. As to your question, which is pretty elementary. If the wind blows somewhere, why doesn't it blow everywhere all the time? Perhaps you can answer that question. Pick up a book once in a while. |
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Try thinking for yourself and not allow others to think for you.
False “faith healer and evangelist” Dr. Nolen concentrated his efforts on a nationally known “faith healer” known as Kathryn Kuhlman. She was an ordained minister who had been “healing” about 30 years at that time, and claimed to have treated app. one and one half million patients. Dr. Nolen interview Miss Kuhlman, and secured permission to follow up on the people who attended her services at Minneapolis in June 1973. He used two legal secretaries to secure names, addresses, phone numbers and diagnosis of everyone who was willing to cooperate. In July of 1973 letters were sent by Dr. Nolen requesting those who claimed a "cure" to come to Minneapolis. Twenty three responded. In every case examined by Dr. Nolen there was not found one case of a miraculous cure. (Facts are from an article in McCall's 9/74) |
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The earth being round was once thought to be only fantasy, until people had 'proof'. But it was round before the proof. Even then, people claimed that proof was bogus or not to be trusted,and probably some still do.
proof doesnt make it true. but people dont know or accept truth until there is proof that fits their standards, and sometimes their standards wont allow proof to exist. |
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Try thinking for yourself and not allow others to think for you. False “faith healer and evangelist” Dr. Nolen concentrated his efforts on a nationally known “faith healer” known as Kathryn Kuhlman. She was an ordained minister who had been “healing” about 30 years at that time, and claimed to have treated app. one and one half million patients. Dr. Nolen interview Miss Kuhlman, and secured permission to follow up on the people who attended her services at Minneapolis in June 1973. He used two legal secretaries to secure names, addresses, phone numbers and diagnosis of everyone who was willing to cooperate. In July of 1973 letters were sent by Dr. Nolen requesting those who claimed a "cure" to come to Minneapolis. Twenty three responded. In every case examined by Dr. Nolen there was not found one case of a miraculous cure. (Facts are from an article in McCall's 9/74) Yes, I have read some of his articles and saw him on TV. 23 people out of 1½ million people is a pretty small control group. It's probably possible to pay off 23 people. Let me know when you find someone who has a larger control group. I would think that at least a few hundred would be more appropriate. Outside of the Shrine Auditorium were a group of doctors set up with desks. They would check over people who claimed to have ailments. They would check over these same people after the service, and again 5 years later. But then, you have not seen her in person, nor visited one of her services. You really have no idea what goes on there. As someone who has been healed by the power of the Holy Spirit, I can attest to the authentic nature of this phenomenon. You, on the other hand, cannot. But that is not to say that there are no phonies. There are. It takes a thinking person to discover the difference. I would say it's time that you start thinking for yourself. |
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I am lucky that I haven’t been brainwashed like most people from childhood to believe in such fantasies.
Do you still believe in Santa too? If not, what finally made you realize it was make believe? People do harm with false claims. You are offering proof with a phony and trying to convince others that this **** is real. It was only 23 people because only 23 responded. “Dr. Nolen, in his book Healing, did long-term follow-ups on 23 of Kuhlman's claimed healings. There were no cures among these cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later. (James Randi, The Faith Healers, 1989, p.201)” You do not think for yourself if you believe everything you have been told. You saw magic tricks and thought they were real. This woman was a magician and was able to live an extravagant lifestyle because she could easily fool people like you. It would be helpful for you to read a book like “why people believe weird things” by Michael Shermer. It will open your eyes a little. |
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I am lucky that I haven’t been brainwashed like most people from childhood to believe in such fantasies. Do you still believe in Santa too? If not, what finally made you realize it was make believe? People do harm with false claims. You are offering proof with a phony and trying to convince others that this **** is real. It was only 23 people because only 23 responded. “Dr. Nolen, in his book Healing, did long-term follow-ups on 23 of Kuhlman's claimed healings. There were no cures among these cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later. (James Randi, The Faith Healers, 1989, p.201)” You do not think for yourself if you believe everything you have been told. You saw magic tricks and thought they were real. This woman was a magician and was able to live an extravagant lifestyle because she could easily fool people like you. It would be helpful for you to read a book like “why people believe weird things” by Michael Shermer. It will open your eyes a little. I stopped believing in Santa, because there was actually compelling PROOF of his non existence, in the way of human beings who could show receipts and chose to admit THEIR actual purchases. No one else has stepped up to prove creation or take credit for it though. |
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I am lucky that I haven’t been brainwashed like most people from childhood to believe in such fantasies. Do you still believe in Santa too? If not, what finally made you realize it was make believe? People do harm with false claims. You are offering proof with a phony and trying to convince others that this **** is real. It was only 23 people because only 23 responded. “Dr. Nolen, in his book Healing, did long-term follow-ups on 23 of Kuhlman's claimed healings. There were no cures among these cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later. (James Randi, The Faith Healers, 1989, p.201)” You do not think for yourself if you believe everything you have been told. You saw magic tricks and thought they were real. This woman was a magician and was able to live an extravagant lifestyle because she could easily fool people like you. It would be helpful for you to read a book like “why people believe weird things” by Michael Shermer. It will open your eyes a little. I stopped believing in Santa, because there was actually compelling PROOF of his non existence, in the way of human beings who could show receipts and chose to admit THEIR actual purchases. No one else has stepped up to prove creation or take credit for it though. There is no evidence for creation. |
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I am lucky that I haven’t been brainwashed like most people from childhood to believe in such fantasies. Do you still believe in Santa too? If not, what finally made you realize it was make believe? People do harm with false claims. You are offering proof with a phony and trying to convince others that this **** is real. It was only 23 people because only 23 responded. “Dr. Nolen, in his book Healing, did long-term follow-ups on 23 of Kuhlman's claimed healings. There were no cures among these cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later. (James Randi, The Faith Healers, 1989, p.201)” You do not think for yourself if you believe everything you have been told. You saw magic tricks and thought they were real. This woman was a magician and was able to live an extravagant lifestyle because she could easily fool people like you. It would be helpful for you to read a book like “why people believe weird things” by Michael Shermer. It will open your eyes a little. I stopped believing in Santa, because there was actually compelling PROOF of his non existence, in the way of human beings who could show receipts and chose to admit THEIR actual purchases. No one else has stepped up to prove creation or take credit for it though. There is no evidence for creation. there is no evidence against it, unlike Santa Claus, which was the point I was answering. |
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I am lucky that I haven’t been brainwashed like most people from childhood to believe in such fantasies. Do you still believe in Santa too? If not, what finally made you realize it was make believe? People do harm with false claims. You are offering proof with a phony and trying to convince others that this **** is real. It was only 23 people because only 23 responded. “Dr. Nolen, in his book Healing, did long-term follow-ups on 23 of Kuhlman's claimed healings. There were no cures among these cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later. (James Randi, The Faith Healers, 1989, p.201)” You do not think for yourself if you believe everything you have been told. You saw magic tricks and thought they were real. This woman was a magician and was able to live an extravagant lifestyle because she could easily fool people like you. It would be helpful for you to read a book like “why people believe weird things” by Michael Shermer. It will open your eyes a little. I stopped believing in Santa, because there was actually compelling PROOF of his non existence, in the way of human beings who could show receipts and chose to admit THEIR actual purchases. No one else has stepped up to prove creation or take credit for it though. There is no evidence for creation. there is no evidence against it, unlike Santa Claus, which was the point I was answering. Well if there’s no evidence of something, why believe in it? I choose to believe in what’s real and proven. I don’t believe in dragons or fairies but there’s no evidence against it. Do you? |
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I am lucky that I haven’t been brainwashed like most people from childhood to believe in such fantasies. Do you still believe in Santa too? If not, what finally made you realize it was make believe? People do harm with false claims. You are offering proof with a phony and trying to convince others that this **** is real. It was only 23 people because only 23 responded. “Dr. Nolen, in his book Healing, did long-term follow-ups on 23 of Kuhlman's claimed healings. There were no cures among these cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later. (James Randi, The Faith Healers, 1989, p.201)” You do not think for yourself if you believe everything you have been told. You saw magic tricks and thought they were real. This woman was a magician and was able to live an extravagant lifestyle because she could easily fool people like you. It would be helpful for you to read a book like “why people believe weird things” by Michael Shermer. It will open your eyes a little. I stopped believing in Santa, because there was actually compelling PROOF of his non existence, in the way of human beings who could show receipts and chose to admit THEIR actual purchases. No one else has stepped up to prove creation or take credit for it though. There is no evidence for creation. there is no evidence against it, unlike Santa Claus, which was the point I was answering. Well if there’s no evidence of something, why believe in it? I choose to believe in what’s real and proven. I don’t believe in dragons or fairies but there’s no evidence against it. Do you? Dragons and fairies, as far as I know, have never been presented in a factual context, only in fantasy and storytelling. So I believe they are fictional topics from authors who clearly designate their writings as fictional. I do see evidence of life EXISTING, and therefore having come to be SOME KIND OF WAY. And I find enough of what I've read to fit LOGIC of creation and I've seen enough in my experience to fit the LOGIC of biblical teachings from centuries earlier, to believe in the integrity of the good book and the answer to existence being CREATION. |
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