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The Big Bang is still happening as you say. Initially it was violent and kown as 'inflation' similar to blowing up a balloon very fast. The universe is still expanding but much more slowly now, according to the scientists who understand so much more of these things than my 'simple and distorted' mind can comprehend  Imagine yourself inside an explosion. Imagine what it would look like if your were hanging in mid-air inside. Relative to your size and the time you live, it may seem like its standing still or moving in weird ways. The Universe explosion may not actually be slowing. It may appear to be slowing as we look out (in our limited view) across the expanse of the explosion. From our limited view we might see spontaneous creation of stars and other celestial structures. To us, it looks like one thing but it could be something else. What if everything, everywhere is happening inside and our perspective changes the assumption of what is actually happening? The only way to be sure is to observe the Universe from outside the Universe. Since we are all part of the Universe, us looking from a point outside is essentially the Universe looking at itself. |
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(3rd time mentioning this) LOL? I have no idea who you are reffing to? I never met them. As for the Greeks, one must also account for their interpretations of God. Again, never witnessed any of it. While I understand your need to justify your assumptions, I also understand your inability to consider mine. If your justification give you peace, why do you feel a need to justify your beliefs? I exist in reality. I believe the things in which I experience. Those experiences allow me to form an opinion on how this are/were/will be. I know I could be wrong. After-all, its all just my own opinion based on the experiences I personally endure. If I document my opinions, as I do here, now, it doesn't make my opinion valid. Only valid to me. There is a certain understanding one gets when considering the proclaimed truth. When that truth aligns with reality, its easier to believe. Problem is, the truths others seem to have never seems to align with the reality I experience. I sometimes wish it did. It sure would be much easier but as it is, it never aligns just right? I wasn't there to witness the big bang. From the understanding of my fellow human beings, I can understand how it 'could' have happened. I also experience things in life that works against the status quo. So as far as I am concerned, there is more to it than humans understand. While I can accept that unknown, many people can't and need a definite explanation. This locks them into an assumption. Human beings have existed merely 2 million years in a Universe over 13.7 billion years old. Human beings have only been a civilization as a species for less than 1 million years. There is no way anyone could understand the nature of a vast Universe or any God that might have made it come to pass. However, even us lowly, infantile humans acknowledged chaos. Chaos that defines the predisposition of design. Its easier for me to imagine life is a product of chaos than to think it was intended by some supreme being. All across the Universe, we witness chaos on a grand scale that permeates the quantum. Chaos is as fundamental as gravity and time. It actually gives me inner peace to know there is no grand design in the Universe. It just makes sense to me and the experiences I have endured. There are a lot of people looking for a reason why we hurt. With an intelligent design, we have an answer but, it never fits our circumstances just right. But, if we understand that the Universe is merely the result of a chain reaction, it gets easier to deal with the hurt we experience. Intelligent design indicates that everything happens for a reason. Chaos indicates that things happen because of cause and effect. Reality just is. It doesn't care. Things happen because they happen. The big bang was a result of something else. My marriage failed from a result of something else. I once thought my marriage failed because of something I did but I finally realized it failed because of random chaos. The same chaos that governs the Universe. It wasn't till I embraced the reality before me that I found someone just right for me. I tried forcing it but I failed because I was trying to apply a reasoning that did not align with the chaos. I had to learn to accept reality and take steps to live within reality. I have been on the same road to understanding many get stuck on. I've made the same assumptions about reality. I found actual inner peace from letting go of my assumptions and accepting reality as it is. Reality is painful at first. The longer it is embraced, the easier it gets to accept. Reality is harsh and unforgiving but it is also truth and unwavering. The big bang might have happened but why is that so important? Frankly, I believe the big bang is still happening. Its not important to the reality I endure as I gain experience during my life. Fun to speculate but no actual impact on my life experiences. It is a chain reaction and it could impact my life experiences by relativity but my mind can't operate on that level. I operate on the here and now. In the here and now, reality governs my actions. I think you missed a part. (1) I do believe like you do (2) As time passed and the things I have discovered has led me to see God in a view that is more than how you see God. And that is being personable. I am not saying you are wrong because I know you are correct. I am just adding more to God than you do!! |
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Edited by
iam_resurrected
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Thu 07/11/19 01:17 AM
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I once was fascinated with the views of Richard Dawkins. Then I learned he sees a shrink regularly, admits he could suffer from a bit of narcissism, and when he made this claim, "Richard Dawkins Defends 'Mild' Pedophilia, Again and Again..." I knew he was not playing with a full deck of cards, literally a few french fries short of Happy Meal, the elevator did not go all the way to the top... And now I can see his writings are literally a grouped series of "Delusions." Which makes me alert of those, who find Richard Dawkins to be credible!! Try someone else for your example who is not severely mentally twisted!! Isn't this the focus of all religion? It doesn't matter who you quote. The ONLY opinion you actually know is true and accurate is your own and if you are not 100% sure, even that is questionable. To give credence to one but not the other is selective assumption. The only thing anyone is absolutely sure about is the experiences you endure. Everything else is hearsay. Richard Dawkins, Niel deGrasse Tyson, Carl Sagan, Kim Griest, Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, All are questionable for many reason but if they tell reality, it doesn't matter. Reality is whether it is fashionable or not. It is wrong to make assumptions based on someone elses experience or speculation. I find issue with each one. I would never assume they have the answers. I need to figure that out myself. Consider this thought: What if all the other lifeforms on this planet know the reality and our own intelligence is clouding us from an enlightenment that is universal? I believe how you live is the example of proof. Darwin created a life tree and then added, "I think." But many scientists have taken the life tree as a fact and built a career upon that. And for every new idea introduced, only 1% become a Theory. And that is until that Theory is proven wrong. Just in my own lifetime, Theories such as the "Big Bang," "Singularity," and now "Evolution" (with the daily knowledge of DNA) have caused these positions to change, be rethought, and many are not even being discussed within science itself any more. The only ones discussing these issues, are people on a public domain. If Science did not exist, anyone not wanting to believe in a greater power, would just find another "crutch" to claim and hold onto. It's kind of why it's easy to pick on those who deny the existence of God. They are holding onto ideas that keep changing for the worse, and are not bright enough to finally jump ship. I believe in adding cement blocks to their feet and see if they can fight for life. It literally has been the best comedy of errors I have ever witnessed 
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Our understanding of the Universe is like a line of dots on a string that is 13.7 billion light years long.
<.............................................> We understand a small segment of reality, according to our ability. <................|ooooo|......................> What we don't fully understand is significantly less than the whole. What we do understand is limited to our capacity, location and relativity. We group our understanding to encompass all things but we do not know if it does. Example: Gravity. We know smaller masses are attracted to larger masses. The apple falls to the Earth. However, we can now float a ball bearing in a magnetic field that defies gravity as we understand it. Our line of understanding is far from complete. Its more like a jumbled mess than a line of complete understanding. <.....o.o.............o..o...o................> What we do understand is significant. It gives us everything we have today. Medicine, cell phones, cars, rockets, carbon nano-tubes... Its reality as it pertains to us on this planet in this part of the Universe at this given time. To assume it is everything, everywhere and everywhen is delusional. |
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I think it is delusional, as well as lazy thinking, to invent the idea of a God to 'explain' those things we do not yet understand. As I said before, it is a human arrogance to refuse to accept that there is life and when it ends there is death. That comes to all animals, including us.
In a few hundred years we will know a great deal more. In a few few thousand, much more still. Sadly, nobody alive today will live long enough. |
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I think it is delusional, as well as lazy thinking, to invent the idea of a God to 'explain' those things we do not yet understand. As I said before, it is a human arrogance to refuse to accept that there is life and when it ends there is death. That comes to all animals, including us. In a few hundred years we will know a great deal more. In a few few thousand, much more still. Sadly, nobody alive today will live long enough. I'm personally not long for this world. However, my grandchildren are. When SHTF I want my grandchildren to understand the problem they face. Overpopulation is the root of most all of the problems society faces and nobody is looking. The real threat is the overpopulation and if they "know' of it, they can take steps to avoid the pitfalls. Perhaps then they can live fruitful lives. The problem is, we are past the point of no return. There are more people being born than die. The big bang is fun to talk about but it happened or not in the distant past. It has no impact on the condition we currently face. Priorities? Given the average human there could be a lot of talk on the nature of the Universe and what transpired to make today unfold as it is. What I find disheartening is how someone can argue the big bang but forget the overpopulation issue? |
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What I find disheartening is how someone can argue the big bang but forget the overpopulation issue? Not sure I understand you Tom. These are two different threads. I agree overpopulation is a huge problem. This planet is not going to have the resources to cope. Global Warming is another issue that causes us problems even now. This thread is about how it all started. Big Bang or not, we're here and now have to deal with our problems. But there is no reason why we shouldn't spend some time on threads like this discussing how it all might have started. |
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Edited by
Tom4Uhere
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Sun 07/14/19 01:16 AM
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This thread is about how it all started. Big Bang or not, we're here and now have to deal with our problems. But there is no reason why we shouldn't spend some time on threads like this discussing how it all might have started. I think perhaps you misunderstood the intent of my post. It was to deal with the already sidetracked focus on the topic. The big bang happened or didn't, not important. The big bang is still happening, also not important to the actual issues we face as a species. While it is fun to discuss the beginning of the Universe, to me, it seems like typical distraction. Understanding the nature of the Universe might be key to understanding the nature of us but that assumption is insignificant to the current and future of our species. If we are currently in the big bang, we are merely a spark in the grand expansion. No matter what we do, we are insignificant and that is the point. People tend to think we are important to the Universe but what if we are merely a sparking ember destined to burn out during an event that is bigger than us? If we are the result of a completed event, our significance improves but we are destroying ourselves, our planet and our legacy to infinity. Its all a pattern, chaotic in some minds but I feel the chaos is actually a pattern and we are merely a result of chaos in the scope of a larger event. What we think we know might not be what actually is. We are new to the game and won't be around long enough to gain any significant understanding. Did a big bang happen? Is the big bang still happening? Nobody actually knows for sure but our limited observations indicate some kind of assessment. What is the significant result of establishing the big bang? How will it help us in the real danger of species extinction? In my opinion, our focus is misplaced. Nearly everyone I have met knows about the big bang in one way or another yet they have no clue that more people are being born than dying right now. Our climate change issues are directly affected by our over-population problem. Cause and effect. Pondering the big bang is like deciding what color to paint the living room while your house is on fire. Priorities... |
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What's the problem ? The population has been increasing since day one.Nothing new.When we pass the tipping point more people will die because the earth cannot sustain the new numbers.We reach equilibrium.Life goes on.It's amazing how inventive we become when the chips are actually on the table.Now,keep your grubby little fingers away from my chips.
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