Topic: Lying and Liars: the curious contradictory way people resp
IgorFrankensteen's photo
Fri 08/03/18 10:41 PM

Here in the dating world especially, but more generally as well, it is often said that lying to someone is a reprehensible behavior, in and of itself.

That's what people SAY, anyway. Various politicians, famous artists, sports figures and so on, who have been caught lying about important things (even if only in their personal lives) have been pilloried and publicly criticized, for all my life. It is VERY common in the world of dating and mating, to see complaints about lies and liars be VERY high on almost everyones list of "red flags" or reasons to firmly reject and discard a potential mate.


But oddly, I've come to realize that most people do NOT actually oppose lying and liars. That includes many of the people who most loudly and stridently and righteously proclaim that they DO despise all who lie.

What I've actually found, is that most people really only dislike it when someone lies about something they care about deeply, or if they already don't like the liar, they will claim that the reason for their dislike IS the lies. Even though it isn't, really. They prove this, when they EXCUSE OR IGNORE lies from one person, while attacking them in someone else, and pretending it's all about principles.


msharmony's photo
Fri 08/03/18 11:11 PM


Here in the dating world especially, but more generally as well, it is often said that lying to someone is a reprehensible behavior, in and of itself.

That's what people SAY, anyway. Various politicians, famous artists, sports figures and so on, who have been caught lying about important things (even if only in their personal lives) have been pilloried and publicly criticized, for all my life. It is VERY common in the world of dating and mating, to see complaints about lies and liars be VERY high on almost everyones list of "red flags" or reasons to firmly reject and discard a potential mate.


But oddly, I've come to realize that most people do NOT actually oppose lying and liars. That includes many of the people who most loudly and stridently and righteously proclaim that they DO despise all who lie.

What I've actually found, is that most people really only dislike it when someone lies about something they care about deeply, or if they already don't like the liar, they will claim that the reason for their dislike IS the lies. Even though it isn't, really. They prove this, when they EXCUSE OR IGNORE lies from one person, while attacking them in someone else, and pretending it's all about principles.




this is kind of a twilight zone moment, my daughter and I were having this same discussion about people who protest hatred for lies and liars just today while watching some news ...


i totally agree that many express false outrage about this issue ...

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Wed 08/08/18 09:37 AM


Here in the dating world especially, but more generally as well, it is often said that lying to someone is a reprehensible behavior, in and of itself.

That's what people SAY, anyway. Various politicians, famous artists, sports figures and so on, who have been caught lying about important things (even if only in their personal lives) have been pilloried and publicly criticized, for all my life. It is VERY common in the world of dating and mating, to see complaints about lies and liars be VERY high on almost everyones list of "red flags" or reasons to firmly reject and discard a potential mate.


But oddly, I've come to realize that most people do NOT actually oppose lying and liars. That includes many of the people who most loudly and stridently and righteously proclaim that they DO despise all who lie.

What I've actually found, is that most people really only dislike it when someone lies about something they care about deeply, or if they already don't like the liar, they will claim that the reason for their dislike IS the lies. Even though it isn't, really. They prove this, when they EXCUSE OR IGNORE lies from one person, while attacking them in someone else, and pretending it's all about principles.





so true

Larsi666 😽's photo
Wed 08/08/18 09:40 AM
To quote Homer Simpson: It always takes two, one person who tells the lie, and one person who believes it.

shovelheaddave's photo
Thu 08/09/18 07:05 AM

To quote Homer Simpson: It always takes two, one person who tells the lie, and one person who believes it.


"for every credibility gap,there is a gullibility fill!"

laugh

Tom4Uhere's photo
Thu 08/09/18 09:04 AM
There is a difference between lying, error and delusion.
The biggest and most common distinction is that a liar is being deceptive by intent to deceive.
In other words, they know they are lying.

A person can be incorrect or inaccurate and not know they are.
A person can be deluded and not know they are.
A liar always knows when they are lying.

To assume everyone is a liar is cynical and is a delusion.
To assume everyone always tells the truth is gullible and also delusion.

Stu's photo
Thu 08/09/18 09:09 AM


To quote Homer Simpson: It always takes two, one person who tells the lie, and one person who believes it.


"for every credibility gap,there is a gullibility fill!"

laugh


Nice Dave... i like that one.

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Thu 08/09/18 11:06 AM
Edited by d__u__b on Thu 08/09/18 11:06 AM


Here in the dating world especially, but more generally as well, it is often said that lying to someone is a reprehensible behavior, in and of itself.

That's what people SAY, anyway. Various politicians, famous artists, sports figures and so on, who have been caught lying about important things (even if only in their personal lives) have been pilloried and publicly criticized, for all my life. It is VERY common in the world of dating and mating, to see complaints about lies and liars be VERY high on almost everyones list of "red flags" or reasons to firmly reject and discard a potential mate.


But oddly, I've come to realize that most people do NOT actually oppose lying and liars. That includes many of the people who most loudly and stridently and righteously proclaim that they DO despise all who lie.

What I've actually found, is that most people really only dislike it when someone lies about something they care about deeply, or if they already don't like the liar, they will claim that the reason for their dislike IS the lies. Even though it isn't, really. They prove this, when they EXCUSE OR IGNORE lies from one person, while attacking them in someone else, and pretending it's all about principles.




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