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| Topic: Why in Pakistan, military rule is legit | |
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Edited by
jaish
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Sun 11/10/19 04:30 AM
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To the disinterested Mingle public, a short story from a magazine here.
In Pakistan, it happened 65 years ago, a short while after independence, the Pakistan army took over the country, The sequence of events that made General Ayub Khan the first military ruler is as follows: The sequence was triggered by the governor-general, a man named Ghulam Muhammad. He was a clever man, a chartered accountant by training, who was named to run the finance ministry. After the death of Jinnah the first PM in 1948, and the assassination of Jinnah’s deputy L.A. Khan in 1951, the Pakistan Muslim League was leaderless and in this space, Muhammad became governor-general. In 1954, he unlawfully dismissed the Pakistan Constituent Assembly which was taking much longer than India to frame its constitution. Those who were dismissed went to court where it was determined that G. Muhammad’s actions were unlawful. However, he and the new ministers who had taken power with him went into appeal. Here the Supreme Court backed Muhammad, justifying his illegal action. The judgment reads: "Thus the issue raised refers to the extraordinary powers of the Governor-General during the emergency period and not to powers which vest in the Governor-General during normal times when the vital organ of the Constitution, namely the legislature, is functioning, and the question that we have to consider is whether there is any provision in the Constitution governing such a situation or any other legal principle within, outside or above the Constitution Acts which entitles the Governor-General to act in case of necessity of such a nature.” Basically, since there was an emergency (and it didn’t matter that the emergency was a creation of the Governor-General), he had to be allowed to do whatever he wanted. The court added: “If nothing should be done but what is according to law, the throat of the nation might be cut while we send for someone to make the law.” This is a quote from Oliver Cromwell, winner of the English civil war. The court added that it "found that the Governor-General's actions prevented the breakdown of the political and constitutional institutions of Pakistan.” And so the court overlooked wrongdoing and justified it. --xx-- Pakistani court’s actions had long term repercussions. The form of law that we have in India and Pakistan relies on precedent. A few years later, by when G. Muhammad had died, the court used the same reasoning to validate the military takeover of the government by Gen Ayub Khan. And then again when Gen Yahya Khan took over. Again when Gen Zia ul Haq hanged prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and became president, the courts were fine with it because there had already been a precedent. Closer to our time, Gen Musharraf was validated in the same fashion. All the dictators have operated under legal cover, and their actions have been seen as legitimate. |
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Gen Musharraf said in 1979 Pakistan introduced "religious militancy" in Afghanistan to benefit it, and to push the Soviets out of the country.  "We brought Mujahideens from all over the world, we trained them and supplied weapons to them. We trained the Taliban, sent them in. They were our heroes. Haqqani was our hero. Osama bin Laden was our hero. Ayman al-Zawahiri was our hero. Then the global environment changed. The world started viewing things differently. Our heroes were turned into villains." |
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For whatever reason, the western media
either downplays it. Or, simply doesn't report on the situation at all. Our career politicians are lazy, and can only be motivated to action, if shamed into it, or bribed into it. |
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But is he the leader?
What I mean is, I thought North Pakistan was a bit different to other parts of Pakistan ( or so I've been led to believe ) in that it's tribal Peshawar for instance, was in existence, before Pakistan And it does not recognise Pakistan or it's borders, in fact part of Peshawar is in Afghanistan. But it has it's own culture and traditions, and so on, and people stick to them Whilst I don't know much about it, I don't blame them If somebody came along, and told me, I didn't live in England anymore, and said I now lived in a new country, called turnip, but just over the road, where the paper shop is, there was a border, and the paper shop wasn't in turnip, it was in beetroot, and that, I couldn't go there, for a paper I'd likely think bolloc∆π , I live in England, and I'm going for a paper, sod you |
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Edited by
jaish
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Sun 11/17/19 07:07 AM
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-- -- If somebody came along, and told me, I didn't live in England anymore, and said I now lived in a new country, called turnip, but just over the road, where the paper shop is, there was a border, and the paper shop wasn't in turnip, it was in beetroot, and that, I couldn't go there, for a paper --- Nice analogy R2D2 but replace paper with drugs and it jumps as you. For whatever reason, the western media either downplays it. Or, simply doesn't report on the situation at all. Recently, from International Crisis Group Report – an Indian newspaper quoted as follows: Even if the Pakistan Government wants to take corrective action against their home grown militants it’s near impossible because over the years these militant bodies have developed a network of charities like Islamic schools for the poorest of the poor. The initial donors were the Military who provided basic training, explosives and then paid out based on number of terror attacks. The contract was, in cases where the Mujahedeen(s) were martyred their families would be compensated. For the very poor, Jihad with its insurance was a welcome industry with ‘calculated and favorable risks’. Young Pashtuns of Peshawar that R2D2 mentions were the early recruits. Pashtuns or Pathans used to be farmers in their arid mountain land. In fact, ‘Jihad’, i.e., ‘body war’ is preached and trained against, Iran, India and whoever the current target is in Afghanistan. The modus operandi is invite Muslim youth from across the border, say Kashmir; train them and send them back as ‘sleepers’. We in India came to know of this ‘coolie’ arrangement early on in the 80’s; when the army captured and interrogated Pashtun intruders inside our borders. International Crisis Group's Report now makes it official. CEO Rober Malley served in the Obama Administration https://www.crisisgroup.org/ |
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Well if its drugs
Then why has opium production gone through the roof? For sure, some opium has always been produced in these parts of the world But before the recent British / American ' intervention ' ( invasion ) to, place a ( cough ) Democracy in Afghanistan, ( I mean let's face it, the world super powers have tried and failed 3 times to conquer Afghanistan ) there was a great deal of Hashish production. In fact Afghan hashish and cannabis plants, are really quite famous, and of all the ( cough ) drugs produced by poor farmers in the county, about 90% was Hashish, and 10% opium. Now, the situation is totally reversed When was the last time, you came across a piece of Afghani hashish ?? And as somebody from Leeds ( Bradford is right next door ) there sure is no shortage of Heroin ( ever hear of King Meggy from Bradford? Google it ) |
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Everybody has wanted a piece of Afghanistan for quite awhile, they always say, it's for saintly reasons, but it never is
Afghanistan for is rich in minerals, the west tried to buy the rights to mine these minerals, but they wouldn't meet Afghanistans price, so, they went to war And were beaten.. Again...by people with AK 47s on horseback The Chinese bought the rights, for the price the Afghanis wanted The west left Afghanistan... Again Wars on terror.... Wars on drugs... It's never an invasion to steal is it... ? I mean, not with the battle for hearts and minds being so paramount... We've seen the movies, there's good guys.. Right ? And bad guys... Right ? And we're never the bad guys... Right ? We're just trying to help....right ? Just how did that plane manage to crash into the pentagon, that sure was some fucπ up.... Right They must have taken a leaf out of those dastardly Japanese's book, you know, the ones who managed to sneak up the biggest naval base of that country in that part of the world, just as all our aircraft carriers where at sea.... Right? Oh, how about, how economic warfare, definitely wasn't imposed on Venezuela, because they don't have any oil, and we'd just love to help them.... Right? Or how about, there being far less poverty in another mineral rich country, Bolivia, that had a leader, who was very popular with his people, who was recently ousted in a military coup, that had little coverage, that probably had nothing to do with the west.....Right ? |
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Hi R2D2,
I think going back in time to WWII serves no purpose. Japan and SK have been repatriated several times over. Asian countries including India, Pakistan and many others have availed cheap IMF loans although in the case of India - it involved selling gold and devaluing currencies. It is the world post 9/11 that has to be analysed. And in my opinion it all starts with linking the 2008 bubble with 9/11 the biggest scam of all times! |
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Yes, but, if we do that, the build a wall brigade, will say we're unpatriotic conspiracy theorists, who wear tin foil hats
And then, we will feel a deep sense of shame, and have to eat a McDonald's Apple pie |
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What I'm seeing is after Syria was reduced to another Afghanistan and the refugee fallout as well as Iran factor, Europe has got divided with UKs Brexit. Far too many Muslims in Europe today - although most hail from Syria, i.e., anti Iran. and far more serious economic problems than to waste resources towards 'an eye for an eye' strikes. I think the world has already changed but it may take another 4 years of Trump rule to find out the design of the new carpet. For example, if the tariff war continues the dollar may not reign as the currency to trade! Meantime countries like Pakistan have become casualties - as they remained tied down to military doctrine as foreign policy. - my opinion from this corner of the planet. |
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Yes, but, if we do that, the build a wall brigade, will say we're unpatriotic conspiracy theorists, who wear tin foil hats And then, we will feel a deep sense of shame, and have to eat a McDonald's Apple pie 2008 bubble no longer concerns rest-of-world because European banks paid the biggest price. I don't see European banks investing in any paper from Wall St. In fact Wall St firms are trying to get inside India!! It's China's worry because they hold 1 trillion in US bonds and they cannot muscle flim-flam Trump. |
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I guess then maybe we need somebody to shout 'jihad' in a nation that is rich in resources
Then team America can spring into action in an act of selfless democratic liberation Well, depending on how Venezuela and Bolivia pans out |
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