If we all switched to a vegan diet, our extra gas production would be less than the gas production of the animals we would no longer eat.

The advocates of this approach ignore the fact that if we quit raising these animals and idle the fields and pastures used to feed them, they will simply be replaced by wild herbivores such as deer. They produce gasses too. I will grant that there could be a net reduction, but it would be much less than is generally claimed. It still won't matter because anthropogenic climate change is not significant.

you can argue till the sun ceases to exist... there's a line....


A line that for the truth, is always constant, always vigilant and always there....

one can justify "why" one must cross that line, to win an argument and even to bury others in that line... twisting the truth with vines for words.

manipulating, deflecting, belittling, bullying even at times to be "right" for one's own gain....


sure, do it.


but.

The planet is dying because of human habits and industry. Look for yourself. do your own research. It's there, and deep inside, you know it.
A few men, greedy men, make all the money and have all the power, and could care less about any of you. They laugh at you, and they cause it, you breath it in, and they smile... smugly....
Don't feel bad... they'll throw their own kids under the bus to face the music they were supposed to face.

What you put in our bodies can kill you slow, maintain, or heal you. Cooking always diminishes food value....fact.

Plants............... yes, some veggies are gassy, like cabbage based, broccoli, brussel sprouts, and so forth, but MOST ARE NOT. They all heal. fact.

Eggs and processed foods are far more gassy than any plant will ever be... let's not get started on cheese.

I'm not gonna get into the meat argument, because it's futile.

Do your research, and you'll find out, but until you do, you can't come up with a conclusion. Remember, that there is money at "steak" with the meat industry, and you MUST look past the landscapes they paint to see the truth.

Anybody read, "The Mad Cowboy"? all undisputed facts there.



facts might just save YOUR ***.... they saved mine, literally.

I live in an area with a big industry of ranches raising cows. I don't think too many people will give up eating beef. It's also a big fishing town. A good river goes through here and people like Salmon and trout.

Your delusions are not convincing.

Also, much of the land cattle are grazed on is unsuitable for row-cropping.

you twist other's words to fit your safe little place. nice.

I didn't say it like that, and definitely not in that order.

YOU manipulate, belittle, and deflect and of-course, bully.... because you're weak and afraid. That's the only way you know how to survive..... on the backs of others, and the "milk of human kindness".

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago.

LOWERN is an acronym for 6 factors that affect climate.

Latitude. Depending on how close or how far it is to the equator.
Ocean currents. Certain ocean currents have different temperatures. ...
Wind and air masses. Heated ground causes air to rise which results in lower air pressure.
Elevation.
Relief.
Nearness to water.

Greenhouse gases cause the greenhouse effect. The primary greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere are water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone.

Methane, not necessarily derived from gas hydrates, is emitted directly to the atmosphere at ebullition sites in shallow lakes within permafrost and probably in open water on shallow Arctic shelves.

7 Main Stages of a Star

A Giant Gas Cloud.
A Protostar Is a Baby Star.
The T-Tauri Phase.
Main Sequence Stars. Our Star, the Sun (Sol) is currently in Main Sequence.
Expansion into Red Giant.
Fusion of Heavier Elements.
Supernovae and Planetary Nebulae.
Basically, the Sun gets hotter everyday.

Climate change is natural.
Climate change is a planetary process.
Human activity/presence does 'contribute' to global warming but is not causing it.
Humans cannot stop/prevent global warming.
Our impact on the whole is fractional.

As the interglacial period continues more of the ice melts from the surface of the Earth.
Ice/snow (white stuff) reflects solar radiation.
Land/water (dark stuff) absorbs solar radiation.
Greenhouse gasses trap the radiation causing a warming (blanket) of the Earth's surface reducing its reflectivity by melting even more ice/snow.
Water vapor and carbon dioxide are the two most abundant greenhouse gasses and are a direct result of the warming process.

The water cycle

Step 1: Evaporation.
Step 2: Condensation.
Step 3: Sublimation.
Step 4: Precipitation.
Step 5: Transpiration.
Step 6: Runoff.
Step 7: Infiltration.

CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) is what oxygen breathing life on this planet exhales.
The average human exhales about 2.3 pounds of carbon dioxide on an average day.
There are about 7.6 billion people alive right now, breathing.
There is a net gain of 1 new person every 18 seconds.
However, humans are not the only life forms on this planet breathing.
Humans share the planet with as many as 8.7 million different forms of life.
Plants absorb carbon dioxide during photosynthesis.
There are about 391,000 species of vascular plants currently known to science.

How many 391,000's go into 8,700,000?
It's obvious plants can't be the only CO2 sink.
The ocean acts both as a source and a sink, releasing carbon dioxide and absorbing it through natural processes. Volcanic eruptions act as a natural source of CO2.

The point I am making is global warming is a natural Earth process and a cycle.
While human activity contributes to the end result it certainly is not the cause and therefore can't be cured by human restrictions.

Eat all the steak you want!
I'll take mine med-rare.

"People make problems. No people. No problems."
Joseph Stalin

We are about due for another world war soon. Some are saying the USA will be in a civil war in around 2030. The global war will be in around 2050. This should whipe out half the population of human beings. Then the cycle can resume again with another world war in around 100-150 years.

I did not change the order of your delusional rant. I merely removed portions of it for compactness.

I feel sorry for you.

Never feel sorry for stupid and hideous. We have no egos...

You sure do though, yes you do!

OR... You wouldn't put me down for absolutely no reason what so ever. Nice job... real "professional" and "upscale" of you.

If you were as badazz as you think you are,

You would have just ignored me as if I wasn't there....

Some of us on here find your insecure GOD complex amusing.

Online bullies...





Would you like a balloon?

I generally rotate beef, chicken and pork.
This month I'm dedicating pork meals instead of beef.
Gonna also say, God Bless America, God bless President Trump, Merry Christmas, bless baby Jesus and pledge allegiance to our flag.
New Years I'll eat a steak in honor of Acid Rain.

I will eat deer, boar, Possum, Gator, Snake or any other wild dead if one is hit in front of me fresh, as there is no sense in waste. (or if they come to me with "less than friendly intentions" which is rare, but has happened), and all water food pretty much. I will usually smoke it. I do fish for Bass, Salmon, and Barracuda at different times of the year, and places in the world, but take only what I need. all the rest is veggies and fruit.

I also SO hope some of you ARE right about your climate and your world. Time will tell, or run out. I'm just passin through... but I have noticed severe changes from one decade to the next on my travels from place to place in a 45 year span done only by man.

It really is pretty bad, people.

Boar are on the rise and we cam't eat em fast enough... poor Texas is hit the worst, but they are everywhere I've been.... they also taste amazing... something HAS to be done.

I used to hunt and trap feral hogs on a cattle ranch in Fort Stockton. In one week, I processed 98. Couldn't keep up with the breeding.
The meat never went to waste. Lean. Zero fat.
I've offered my hire here, in this area. As soon as a child gets killed by one I'll get hired. Folks rarely do preventive maintenance. Sad.

Oh my gosh! That's insane! And a very busy time of it indeed. You'd think, what with all the hunters in our areas that they'd be jumpin at the chance to fill up the freezer, and given permission to do so.

They will eat ANYTHING, kinda like land-sharks if they are in a sounder. I know you've seen this but others have not, hence the lack of "preventative maintenance". sorry for those losses.

They are HUGE in our swamps in LA., and in Florida, below Kissimmee-St.Cloud area and are extremely dangerous. There are not near as many as there though, not even close. It's a good chance the massive snakes loose from the zoo during Hurricane Andrew that are also invasive are making a dent in the numbers. Sadly, the Snakes have been caught eating kids too. They've also been attacking Gators, our Apex predator.

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Oh for goodness sake stop it. You are being rude.
YOU sir are delusional and if you read posts (which I doubt you do by your postings) you will see the majority of this forums agrees with him.
You are coming off a jerkish. Fine if you don't agree, but you are projecting, pot calling kettle.

Never read the mad cowboy, is it good?

🤡's do like balloons

Just give him some links, facts usually silence bullies.

Before I start slam dunkin' on y'all, I want to point out that LAB GROWN MEAT and WORKING CLASS PEOPLE HOLDING CORPORATIONS ACCOUNTABLE is the most likely solution to this crisis. Meat is delicious and (usually) healthy, and can be more delicious and healthy when it's grown in a lab. It's just expensive to produce, but as time goes on, research will get it down to quite cheap. Also, learn to experiment with soybeans, quinoa, and lentils. ;)

Edit: Also, if you can't find legitimate, academic or scientific evidence of what I'm saying (not conspiracy theory blog posts) via Googling my phrases (I tried that for your guys' info) then feel free to ask for a source. I have access to academia.edu, JSTOR and other things. More than happy to pirate a PDF for you folks.

But, all in all, a lot of pseudoscientific nonsense here. I recommend you all do a basic read-up on SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT and stop listening to old dudes with poor lighting in their bedroom who don't know how to angle a webcam.



I can't speak for turkeys, but broiler chickens add edible meat to their body at a 4:1 ratio. Grass fed beef is (I believe) 17:1 and grain fed beef is 54:1.



Post your sources. Legitimate ones.



Certainly not at the rate that it has now. And even so, there are things we can do to control it.



In reality, there certainly is. In fact, that land being used to feed animals is much less efficient than just growing crops. And to say that you can't get things from meat in other sources? Nonsense. There are tons of vegan bodybuilders.



See my comment about adding another production of gas between ours. Besides, cows farting (lol, I'm immature) isn't necessarily the main issue; yes methane is a big deal but in general we're wasting a lot of the nutrients in our soil. And no, cow fertilizer doesn't replenish it as quickly as it's taken away.



You're correct! Corporations by and large do way more pollution than individuals. You don't have to go vegan. What you should due is lobby against large corporations. You sound smart, what else do you have to say on the issue?



Oof. A conspiracy so vast that it would have leaked with irrefutable evidence by now. No thanks, I'll stick to actual verifiable methods we have.



Glad you admit it's a twisted fantasy. But overfishing destroys the entire food chain, that's the main problem. It's very real. Tuna should be way, way more expensive than it is, considering the damage it does to the environment when you eat it. Farmed tuna is quite a bit better choice, but still not perfect.



You can Google "overpopulation myth" and find some fascinating modern evidence on how our crisis is way more political. We could theoretically hold up to 25 billion people on our planet. But yes, allowing women publicly subsidized access to birth control, and giving GOOD QUALITY, EMOTIONALLY CONNECTING SEX EDUCATION to our kids is a great solution.



I'm sorry, who are those people? Seems a strawman argument to me, but feel free to counter.



"Nut jobs" as in scientists? People who dedicate their lives to understanding biology and agriculture? But hey, great point about how deforestation is a huge issue.



I've yet to see a REAL SOURCE on this and I've been trying for more than a decade.



A lot of what's in your long post is certainly true, but nobody is debating any of that. At all. All we're saying is that in the last few hundred years, and especially the last decade, we're making way more of a negative impact on the planet than any other species has before.