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Topic: Julian Assange
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Mon 03/09/20 01:20 PM
Julian Assange, WikiLeaks founder, is now in Court over in the UK, USA is wanting to extradite him to face charges for his leaks.
Is anyone following this man and his story?
Do you have an opinion on him, and his actions/leaks?

Julian Paul Assange is an Australian editor, publisher, and activist who founded WikiLeaks in 2006. WikiLeaks came to international attention in 2010 when it published a series of leaks provided by U.S. Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning. These leaks included the Collateral Murder video (April 2010), the Afghanistan war logs (July 2010), the Iraq war logs (October 2010), and Cablegate (November 2010). After the 2010 leaks, the United States government launched a criminal investigation into WikiLeaks.



http://youtu.be/NZ7vUvqOUVE

http://youtu.be/jFOhfwvkhLY

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Mon 03/09/20 02:18 PM
The UK government has systematically denied him his rights. If reports are correct they are drugging and torturing him in Bellmarsh, a high-security prison normally reserved for terrorists.

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Mon 03/09/20 03:24 PM

The UK government has systematically denied him his rights. If reports are correct they are drugging and torturing him in Bellmarsh, a high-security prison normally reserved for terrorists.


He is a terrorist. He chose his actions. Don't do the crime if you cannot do the time. BUT I do not blame him. Go after the ones who provided the information and the people that failed to prevent it.

I stick with my fishing policy. Catch and release at least.
Julian Assange does not represent all Australian's.
Every one I met there was great.

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Mon 03/09/20 03:32 PM
Edited by Seamus on Mon 03/09/20 03:35 PM
He's a journalist who revealed embarrassing things about civilian deaths and the like, revealed by other people with a conscience. All governments need to be held to account for their actions.

Ladywind7's photo
Mon 03/09/20 03:45 PM

He's a journalist who revealed embarrassing things about civilian deaths and the like, revealed by other people with a conscience. All governments need to be held to account for their actions.


He leaked a lot. But the war crimes/assassination/ of the Reuter journalists, civilians and the injuries of the children that were in the van, no one has been accountable for that.
'They' want him silenced.
I like Watchmen on the wall. It ought to keep so called 'powers' accountable.
Free speech/journalism is imperative.

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Mon 03/09/20 03:47 PM


The UK government has systematically denied him his rights. If reports are correct they are drugging and torturing him in Bellmarsh, a high-security prison normally reserved for terrorists.


He is a terrorist. He chose his actions. Don't do the crime if you cannot do the time. BUT I do not blame him. Go after the ones who provided the information and the people that failed to prevent it.

I stick with my fishing policy. Catch and release at least.
Julian Assange does not represent all Australian's.
Every one I met there was great.


I disagree that he is a terrorist. What is your definition of a terrorist?

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Mon 03/09/20 07:51 PM
He/She that speaks the truth about government but does not jeopardize the safety of members of the government are honorable citizens. They should be honored not prosecuted!!

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Mon 03/09/20 09:44 PM

I disagree that he is a terrorist. What is your definition of a terrorist?


Any person, agency, or government that through action or inaction causes harm to personal or a public body. (According to the USA)

This includes News agencies, press correspondents and those whom tell only the partial truth. Freedom of press is fine and should be a legal right in all countries. Only then can we see the people elected or not, that dish out lies to sway the public opinion for the gain of money or power.

Is it right when a reporter withholds a story, or word smiths it to the point that it is in his best interest? Is that the truth then. Write the story with the slant toward your opinion?

What he did was a terrorist act as defined in this country. He is just the first step in the link of many failures. The ones that condoned his actions by providing the information I feel are more guilty.

Governments all over the world try to suppress the truth to CYA so to speak. They basically just want to stay in power.

Furthermore since the crime did not occur in the US, they should not have jurisdiction.

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Mon 03/09/20 10:11 PM

He's a journalist who revealed embarrassing things about civilian deaths and the like, revealed by other people with a conscience. All governments need to be held to account for their actions.


Yup, gotta agree with that.

Fiddlemaker's photo
Mon 03/09/20 10:51 PM
Yes I do, but you also have to point out the other side of the coin. Not saying either is correct.

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Tue 03/10/20 01:26 AM
Edited by Ladywind7 on Tue 03/10/20 01:32 AM


I disagree that he is a terrorist. What is your definition of a terrorist?


Any person, agency, or government that through action or inaction causes harm to personal or a public body. (According to the USA)

This includes News agencies, press correspondents and those whom tell only the partial truth. Freedom of press is fine and should be a legal right in all countries. Only then can we see the people elected or not, that dish out lies to sway the public opinion for the gain of money or power.

Is it right when a reporter withholds a story, or word smiths it to the point that it is in his best interest? Is that the truth then. Write the story with the slant toward your opinion?

What he did was a terrorist act as defined in this country. He is just the first step in the link of many failures. The ones that condoned his actions by providing the information I feel are more guilty.

Governments all over the world try to suppress the truth to CYA so to speak. They basically just want to stay in power.

Furthermore since the crime did not occur in the US, they should not have jurisdiction.


There is no evidence anyone has been harmed, besides Hillary Clinton loosing the last election because of Wikileaks. In fact Trump benefited by WikiLeaks.
So why is the USA trying to extradite him in your opinion?
Brandon\Chelsea Manning paid the price, so why go after Julian?

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Tue 03/10/20 01:33 AM

He/She that speaks the truth about government but does not jeopardize the safety of members of the government are honorable citizens. They should be honored not prosecuted!!


Bravo :hugging::sunflower:

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Tue 03/10/20 02:26 AM



I disagree that he is a terrorist. What is your definition of a terrorist?


Any person, agency, or government that through action or inaction causes harm to personal or a public body. (According to the USA)

This includes News agencies, press correspondents and those whom tell only the partial truth. Freedom of press is fine and should be a legal right in all countries. Only then can we see the people elected or not, that dish out lies to sway the public opinion for the gain of money or power.

Is it right when a reporter withholds a story, or word smiths it to the point that it is in his best interest? Is that the truth then. Write the story with the slant toward your opinion?

What he did was a terrorist act as defined in this country. He is just the first step in the link of many failures. The ones that condoned his actions by providing the information I feel are more guilty.

Governments all over the world try to suppress the truth to CYA so to speak. They basically just want to stay in power.

Furthermore since the crime did not occur in the US, they should not have jurisdiction.


There is no evidence anyone has been harmed, besides Hillary Clinton loosing the last election because of Wikileaks. In fact Trump benefited by WikiLeaks.
So why is the USA trying to extradite him in your opinion?
Brandon\Chelsea Manning paid the price, so why go after Julian?


True there is no evidence that we are aware of.
The reason why is because someone got burr up their south end.

So this takes us back to the four basic human emotions. The emotion in this instance is Anger. Basically when an event or an act that happens to you and you want to change it you become angry and take action. This action is based on your beliefs about the consequences of the act/event that has happened to you. H+E = B

IMHO they are just being the egotistical egotist that they are. Grubbing for power in any way they can. (Better than saying they got their shorts in a wad).

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Tue 03/10/20 02:32 AM
I think it's complicated.

Not all secrets should be revealed, and even more complex, is that the way some secrets are revealed can cause more trouble than is solved.

Although I very much want those in positions of power to be held accountable for their actions, and I have been pleased more than concerned about many instances of "leaks," I have seen as well, how "leaks" can be used to lie using the truth, or can be done so sloppily that great harm is done.

Regardless of whether you want to believe that Trump won the Presidency due to wikileaks, it is a fact that Assange eagerly and blindly allowed himself to be used by the Russians to promote their interests at the expense of the United States as well as many other European nations. This is similar to how other leakers allowed the Bush administration to use them to endanger an American (Valerie Plame) in order to serve the goals of the Republican Party, at America's expense.

As with so many things, the business of "speaking truth" by leaking information isn't a universally heroic act. And Assange in particular appears to me to be dedicated to his own ego, and not to truth or justice.

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Tue 03/10/20 02:35 AM
The higher powers who are against Julian need to be accountable...
He has aged so much in such a short period of time. 100 doctors have written they do not think he is going to survive.
He is compared to Joan of Arc, a true 'terrorist'.

A group of over 100 doctors on Monday urged the Australian government to end its "refusal to act" in the case of Julian Assange and insist the British government release the WikiLeaks founder from prison so he can be safely sent to an Australian hospital before "it is too late."

In an open letter addressed to Foreign Minister Marise Payne, the doctors say that "the most fundamental human rights of an Australian citizen are being denied by the British government."

The international medical experts, who hail from countries including the United States, Australia, and the United Kingdom, called upon Payne to abide by his "undeniable legal obligation to protect your citizen against the abuse of his fundamental human rights, stemming from U.S. efforts to extradite Mr. Assange for journalism and publishing that exposed U.S. war crimes."

Assange has been in London's Belmarsh prison since April for skipping bail seven years ago when he first took refuge at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. He's facing possible extradition to the United States for alleged violations of the Espionage Act. His time at the embassy and at Belmarsh had led to "medical neglect and fragile health," the doctors said, adding that Assange continues to suffer psychological torture at the London jail.

It's not the first time the medical group has sounded alarm on Assange's deteriorating health conditions.

In a letter sent last month to British Home Secretary Priti Patel and Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott, the group expressed "real concerns, on the evidence currently available, that Mr. Assange could die in prison." U.N. Special Rapporteur on Torture Nils Melzer has also accused the U.K. government of "outright contempt for Mr. Assange's rights and integrity." In May Melzer said Assange exhibited "all symptoms typical for prolonged exposure to psychological torture."

The doctors referenced Melzer's concerns as well as their letter to the U.K. authorities, saying that document fell on deaf ears.

In addendum to the new letter, the doctors wrote that Assange is essentially stuck waiting "helplessly for whatever the U.S government holds in store for him"—a situation "akin to keeping someone bound and gagged while their assailant stands by sharpening their knives."

"The Australian government has shamefully been complicit by its refusal to act, over many years. Should Mr. Assange die in a British prison, people will want to know what you, Minister, did to prevent his death."

Ongoing detention at Belmarsh, the group said, is "medically reckless at best and deliberately harmful at worst."

"We therefore urge you to insist upon the immediate transfer of Mr. Assange from Belmarsh Prison to an Australian university teaching hospital, on urgent medical grounds, so that he can receive the assessment and treatment that he requires," the doctors wrote. They added:

That we, as doctors, feel ethically compelled to hold governments to account on medical grounds speaks volumes about the gravity of the medical, ethical, and human rights travesties that are taking place. It is an extremely serious matter for an Australian citizen's survival to be endangered by a foreign government obstructing his human right to health. It is an even more serious matter for that citizen's own government to refuse to intervene, against historical precedent and numerous converging lines of medical advice.
Assange is set to face another case management hearing this week Westminster Magistrates' Court and full extradition hearing in February.

http://youtu.be/j6NVGIg-B7k

Julian is strong, so strong he will not tell his own father what is truly happening to him, because he does not want him to 'worry'.
I am worried. What have they done to him and are doing to him.


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Tue 03/10/20 02:37 AM




I disagree that he is a terrorist. What is your definition of a terrorist?


Any person, agency, or government that through action or inaction causes harm to personal or a public body. (According to the USA)

This includes News agencies, press correspondents and those whom tell only the partial truth. Freedom of press is fine and should be a legal right in all countries. Only then can we see the people elected or not, that dish out lies to sway the public opinion for the gain of money or power.

Is it right when a reporter withholds a story, or word smiths it to the point that it is in his best interest? Is that the truth then. Write the story with the slant toward your opinion?

What he did was a terrorist act as defined in this country. He is just the first step in the link of many failures. The ones that condoned his actions by providing the information I feel are more guilty.

Governments all over the world try to suppress the truth to CYA so to speak. They basically just want to stay in power.

Furthermore since the crime did not occur in the US, they should not have jurisdiction.


There is no evidence anyone has been harmed, besides Hillary Clinton loosing the last election because of Wikileaks. In fact Trump benefited by WikiLeaks.
So why is the USA trying to extradite him in your opinion?
Brandon\Chelsea Manning paid the price, so why go after Julian?


True there is no evidence that we are aware of.
The reason why is because someone got burr up their south end.

So this takes us back to the four basic human emotions. The emotion in this instance is Anger. Basically when an event or an act that happens to you and you want to change it you become angry and take action. This action is based on your beliefs about the consequences of the act/event that has happened to you. H+E = B

IMHO they are just being the egotistical egotist that they are. Grubbing for power in any way they can. (Better than saying they got their shorts in a wad).


Who? Julian or Trump? Because this is now who it is about and the UK playing lackey.

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Tue 03/10/20 02:53 AM
The US that is who. I thought that was clear in my statement.
Sorry that I appear to have been wrong.

Ladywind7's photo
Tue 03/10/20 02:53 AM

I think it's complicated.

Not all secrets should be revealed, and even more complex, is that the way some secrets are revealed can cause more trouble than is solved.

Although I very much want those in positions of power to be held accountable for their actions, and I have been pleased more than concerned about many instances of "leaks," I have seen as well, how "leaks" can be used to lie using the truth, or can be done so sloppily that great harm is done.

Regardless of whether you want to believe that Trump won the Presidency due to wikileaks, it is a fact that Assange eagerly and blindly allowed himself to be used by the Russians to promote their interests at the expense of the United States as well as many other European nations. This is similar to how other leakers allowed the Bush administration to use them to endanger an American (Valerie Plame) in order to serve the goals of the Republican Party, at America's expense.

As with so many things, the business of "speaking truth" by leaking information isn't a universally heroic act. And Assange in particular appears to me to be dedicated to his own ego, and not to truth or justice.


I disagree. Julian did not know he was being used by the Russians, his source was virtually anonymous. Yes, he was being played... and I disagree he is dedicated to his own ego. If he was, he would of revealed his sources, but he takes immense harm to himself in protecting his sources.
No great harm was done by the leaking of the Collateral Damage of the Iran video.
You need to weigh this situation, here and now, not compare it to the past.
The future of leaks and journalism is riding on what happens to Julian Assange.
The message is loud and clear.
Do we fear authority or do we tell the truth....?

Ladywind7's photo
Tue 03/10/20 02:58 AM

The US that is who. I thought that was clear in my statement.
Sorry that I appear to have been wrong.


Thank you for clarifying that.
I guess there are many who will play the Devil's Advocate, (not you) :smile:.
I personally am concerned. No one was accountable for his major leak. If I was Private Manning, I would have done exactly the same thing...

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Tue 03/10/20 06:49 AM
If we ever found ourselves in similar circumstances, we could only hope to have the same moral courage and principles that Julian Assange has shown.

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