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Edited by
TwilightsTwin
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Thu 02/21/08 12:17 AM
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Should the delegates from Florida and Michigan be included in the nominating pool at the Democratic National Convention?
Yes or No? |
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Yes, those states deserve to represented.
It is a sticky situation. But I think no vote should EVER be ignored. Remember the classic miscount in FLA 2000? We need not a repeat of that mistake. Its a tough call... but ultimately, I do not think the voters should be punished when they themselves did not choose to have their primaries moved. In a democracy, every vote should count, regardless of when that vote is cast. It is a tough question...because we all know two wrongs do not make a right. But in this case I think it must be done to best support the peoples opinion. Obama's supporters will say no, but is that democratic? |
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no
Florida and Michigan were stripped of their delegates, they broke the rules and must suffer the consequences. |
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Even though I would love for my vote to be counted I think it is too late to change now.
And even though my vote did not "count" I feel that the primary results always influence who will be nominated. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Thu 02/21/08 04:23 AM
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Should the delegates from Florida and Michigan be included in the nominating pool at the Democratic National Convention? Yes or No? as close as this race is - they must be counted or the process will be forever tainted. period. the Dems have screwed up this year...in a year when almost EVERYBODY is eager to see G W go, they are failing to produce a truly compelling alternative imo. and, they are making it easy for McCain! If Hillary wins, many Obama supporters are going to be disillusioned and may fail to vote! If Obama wins then McCain's obvious experience, independence, intelligence and moderate conservatism will appeal to and may actually draw Hillary supporters to *gasp* vote for him. Meanwhile, I am convinced that virtually ALL republicans and independents who voted Bush in (TWICE) will certainly vote for McCain...how could they possibly vote for Hillary or Obama? So you see - THAT is the sad math. Neither Hillary nor Obama has even remotely succeeded as a uniter and I am reminded of the old chestnut..."united we stand....." well you know the rest. But in this type of political battle I do not see how in the world that they could possibly deny MI and especially FL and have it appear even remotely democratic. Sheesh what a mess...but it's not like it will matter all that much in the general election.... "A man has one hundred dollars and you leave him with two dollars, that's subtraction." -Mae West |
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no Florida and Michigan were stripped of their delegates, they broke the rules and must suffer the consequences. ================================================================================================================================ I understand that Florida and Michigan broke the rules and were stripped of their delegates. I also realize that Hillary "won" Florida, and that Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. Therefore, technically Hillary "won" that state. So, it would appear that Hillary would/should get the delegates of both states, unless the Dems decide to initiate new cacuces in each state. The above is a very sticky situation, but no state/people should be deprived of their vote/delegates. I think the delegates should be counted. |
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Should the delegates from Florida and Michigan be included in the nominating pool at the Democratic National Convention? Yes or No? as close as this race is - they must be counted or the process will be forever tainted. period. the Dems have screwed up this year...in a year when almost EVERYBODY is eager to see G W go, they are failing to produce a truly compelling alternative imo. and, they are making it easy for McCain! If Hillary wins, many Obama supporters are going to be disillusioned and may fail to vote! If Obama wins then McCain's obvious experience, independence, intelligence and moderate conservatism will appeal to and may actually draw Hillary supporters to *gasp* vote for him. Meanwhile, I am convinced that virtually ALL republicans and independents who voted Bush in (TWICE) will certainly vote for McCain...how could they possibly vote for Hillary or Obama? So you see - THAT is the sad math. Neither Hillary nor Obama has even remotely succeeded as a uniter and I am reminded of the old chestnut..."united we stand....." well you know the rest. But in this type of political battle I do not see how in the world that they could possibly deny MI and especially FL and have it appear even remotely democratic. Sheesh what a mess...but it's not like it will matter all that much in the general election.... "A man has one hundred dollars and you leave him with two dollars, that's subtraction." -Mae West I understand your point, but I do not think this will be that much of an advantage to McCain. After all, he has has his own boo boos and lobbyist ties to sugar coat. Can anyone honestly see his wife as the first lady? Wow! Anyway that wasn't the point...the point is that America is ready for change. I think the failing economy may be the dems big ticket and not the only one either! There is much more pros than cons supporting the dsemocrats this election. |
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Although it sounds good that "all votes should be counted", it would be quite unfair to change the rules in the middle of the game. Ultimately, the whole process needs to be modified. For some interesting proposals, see:
http://amoreperfectconstitution.com/a_more_perfect_constitution.htm |
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Not unless they do it over, you don't change the rules after the fact, hell Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigen. Simple answer out of fairness, no;^]
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Could they...should they do it over?
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Could they...should they do it over? I'm on the fence with that, on one hand everybodys voice should be heard, on the other a decision is a decision. But it may cost them in the general if they don't do it over;^] |
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Edited by
werewolf_by_night_1
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Thu 02/21/08 03:17 PM
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no and neather should any other states. oh waite we don't
matter, you really think that they give you any wrights or abillty to make any decissions that could jeopardize there plans for this nation.  
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no and neather should any other states. oh waite we don't matter, you really think that they give you any wrights or abillty to make any decissions that could jeopardize there plans for this nation. What? |
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no and neather should any other states. oh waite we don't matter, you really think that they give you any wrights or abillty to make any decissions that could jeopardize there plans for this nation. correction remove this nation and replace with world domination |
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Should the delegates from Florida and Michigan be included in the nominating pool at the Democratic National Convention? Yes or No? as close as this race is - they must be counted or the process will be forever tainted. period. the Dems have screwed up this year...in a year when almost EVERYBODY is eager to see G W go, they are failing to produce a truly compelling alternative imo. and, they are making it easy for McCain! If Hillary wins, many Obama supporters are going to be disillusioned and may fail to vote! If Obama wins then McCain's obvious experience, independence, intelligence and moderate conservatism will appeal to and may actually draw Hillary supporters to *gasp* vote for him. Meanwhile, I am convinced that virtually ALL republicans and independents who voted Bush in (TWICE) will certainly vote for McCain...how could they possibly vote for Hillary or Obama? So you see - THAT is the sad math. Neither Hillary nor Obama has even remotely succeeded as a uniter and I am reminded of the old chestnut..."united we stand....." well you know the rest. But in this type of political battle I do not see how in the world that they could possibly deny MI and especially FL and have it appear even remotely democratic. Sheesh what a mess...but it's not like it will matter all that much in the general election.... "A man has one hundred dollars and you leave him with two dollars, that's subtraction." -Mae West I understand your point, but I do not think this will be that much of an advantage to McCain. After all, he has has his own boo boos and lobbyist ties to sugar coat. Can anyone honestly see his wife as the first lady? Wow! Anyway that wasn't the point...the point is that America is ready for change. I think the failing economy may be the dems big ticket and not the only one either! There is much more pros than cons supporting the dsemocrats this election. I agree, even though there's a wild Hildebeest on the campaign trail these days. McCain, though he may be tough on defense, he is, by his own admission,weak on economics. Now, more than ever, people are more concerned with an uncertain economy, jobs and home foreclosures. http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/28/markets/dollar_fed/ |
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