I was not clear in the point I was trying to make. In other posts I have tried to explain that God gave us free will. He gave Adam and then Eve free will and they disobeyed a simple command. Thus sin entered the world. We are are all sinful. Remember the word ALL. The saving grace is that Jesus Christ paid the price for ALL our sins it is just a matter of accepting that fact.

Now let me ask you a question. If you are right and I am wrong, what have I lost upon my physical death? Nothing at all. Now let us suppose that I am right and you are wrong. What do you lose at your physical death?

"It is appointed for a man to die once and then face judgement." Only two people mentioned in the bible who didn't die. They will in time and then face judgement as commanded. That is not he point here.

"To die in the flesh is to live in the spirit." Or so Paul said more than once. God allows ALL of us our free will. There is God's active will and passive will. Sometimes God will directly command you to do something and other times allow you to do something. Sometimes he will place obstacles in your way to prevent you from doing something He is not in favor of.

I attended a medium sized church of about 450 members. We had a K-12 school which struggled because of the small base of support. Class rooms were haphazard and our basketball team had to use the local High School gym. The leadership decided that a Gym "must be built." A campaign was mounted and was thwarted at every turn as the money just did not come in. "Let's get a loan from the bank," was declared. The question was then asked if we were not pushing God to do things our way rather than be lead by Him. We were basically told we were out of order. A new principal was hired who had experience in fund raising and a loan was obtained. The principal turned out to be a pervert and let go. 1/3 of the church left and the land where the gym was completed was sold and the school shut down. The pastor left under less than amicable circumstances. Good honest people were hurt and wrongly villified.

Did God cause this to happen? Absolutely not. It was a simple question of a pastor surronding himself with yes men rather than with honorable men who would question when something wasn't right. The folks that were villified and hurt survived and are now doing God's work in other churches. The original church still stands. Of course in the shadow of the "Gymnasium that was God's will."

I realize this sounds convoluted and besides the point. I used this to illustrate that when we try to force God to do things our way there are consequences and the rain will fall on the just and the unjust. Just like the fish that swallowed Jonah was used to force Jonah to be where God wanted him to be, He will use the bad choices of others to get us to where He wants us to be.

Just for the record, no one knows what dark matter is, but a vast amount of knowledge has been gained on the effect it has on the rest of the universe. Most of the mass in the universe is dark matter and the gravitational effects bend light from distant stars. This "lensing" effect allows astronomers to accurately locate the mass and distance to the dark matter resulting in dark matter maps of the universe.

The actual composition of the dark matter is unknown but thought to be something like a WIMP (Weakly interactive massive particle). However such particles have not been trapped as they have apparent properties similar to a neutrino, which although well understood, reacts poorly with common matter (millions of such particles pass through your body every minute without effect).

A recent map of dark matter looks thus:



What we see as matter and energy is a tiny fraction of what exists in the universe. Here is a pie chart of the percentages:



Keep in mind that it wasn't until the early twentieth century that we understood how the sun worked with nuclear fusion. But just because we didn't understand how it worked, didn't mean it didn't exist.

I forgot who asked for some information on this, but here is a tidbit:


How To Invent A New Savior
by Brad

Used by permission, from the Agnostic Review of Christianity website

Christians will usually refer a new believer to the writings of Paul in the book of Romans to learn the "basics" of their new walk with God. Yet, it would be hard to find a worse example than Paul in regard to honest writing. Not only does Paul contradict the Old Testament (OT) teachings but Paul had no problem distorting any scripture that could be used to further his agenda and religion.




Continuing on:
Rom 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Paul drops his doctrinal bomb here! According to Paul, Christ (or Messiah) is the END OF THE LAW. However, the law was declared perfect in Psa 19:7 and eternal in Psa 119:152, 160.

Psa 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psa 119:152,160
Concerning thy testimonies (statutes), I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments (laws) endureth for ever (are eternal).

Since there is nothing in the Old Testament which states that a king messiah would abolish the Law, Paul has invented his own doctrine in Rom 10:4 and in the process makes a liar out of God, who declared that the Christ (or Messiah) would usher in an era where all God's people would keep the Law and not be given license to ignore it.

Ezek 37:24:
And David my servant (the Christ/Messiah) shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes (laws), and do them.

Paul's new doctrine is completely unfounded and contradicts what God declared in the OT. It also contradicts what Jesus said in Matt 5:18-19. This is the unsound and invented doctrine that Christianity has adopted to escape the requirements of observing all the complicated laws God laid down in the OT.

Paul was looking for Gentile converts to the new religion. Greeks and other non-Jews couldn't be bothered with all the complicated laws that the Jewish God Yahweh set down in the Old Testament. The Law of God was Paul's competition and stood as an obstacle to gaining new converts.

Paul voided the Law with his pen, declaring that Jesus the Christ or Messiah did away with all those complicated regulations by becoming a human sacrifice. The irony is that Christians will go around proclaiming how they believe the whole Bible and want to serve God, worship God, and do the "will" of God. Christians follow Paul, not God. This is the shallow pool of deception that Christianity swims in and tries to lure others into with threats of hellfire.

They went at it in Europe for thirty Years,1618 to 1648!

what you mean by YOU?
You ain't got one either!

Well believing something as a fact contrary to all facts is delusional.

So how do you cure atheism?

The only way to cure fundamentalism, is to prove abiogenesis and beneficial mutations a fact of biology.

Not only have they not proven either, but the complexity of all life, DNA that determines all life and the complex biological mechanisms to creat both, suggest in no uncertain terms, that evolution and atheism is a delusions.