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Thu 05/01/14 10:42 AM

Sin is based on intent......It is determined by the intention of our actions...toward others, toward nature, toward animals, toward our universe....Sin is based on intent.....



Pretty much so as it says if u know to do good and do not do it then it is sin to u

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Fri 04/25/14 12:41 PM
Friends are friends. I either like them or I don't.

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Sun 04/20/14 12:35 PM

Google "sunrise services Easter sunday"


glad see someone actually thinks for themselves. it is useless just as it was in Yahshua's day. They would not even believe him then or now.

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Sun 04/20/14 12:44 AM




Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay?
Department of Awful Facebook Memes
My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science:



I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium?

Belle Jar has more:



Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right?

Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her.

Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover.

. . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex.

Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do.

The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking.

And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath.

Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief.

Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating.
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Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth.

Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant.

And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of.

The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration.


whats relevant is what the Bible says.


Sunrise worship.

Ezek 8:16
16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east.
NKJV

who is this?

Prophecy.

Gen 1:1 - Rev 19:5

After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her." 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!" 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying,"Amen! Alleluia!" 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying,"Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!"
NKJV

The Elders fall down towards Yahweh not the east. where is Yahweh's Throne? Hint it is not towards the east

which son do you worship the Sun or the Son?


I worship the Son. But curious the choice of scripture here since there was no "Easter" in the time of Genesis and Rev has absolutely nothing to do with Easter. Please enlighten me/us with the connection between either verse(s) and Easter which is what the current discussion is about and what your quote is referring to. Nor does the Ezek verse have anything to do with Easter. So again I ask that you please show the connection.


u will not listen. I always show proof if u will listen. but u do not understand because u choose death over life. u choose tradition over the commandments of Yahweh. U r as most a stiffnecked people who will suffer as Babylon will suffer. come out of her my people or suffer in her sins. u choose Baal over Elohim. EliYah is alive and well in the hearts of Desire for Yahweh

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Sat 04/19/14 08:16 PM


Happy Easter, Which is Not Named After Ishtar, Okay?
Department of Awful Facebook Memes
My unfavorite new Facebook meme is this bit of sillyness which has apparently been spotted everywhere from the feeds of my college friends to (allegedly) that of Richard Dawkins' Foundation for Reason and Science:



I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium?

Belle Jar has more:



Ishtar was the goddess of love, war and sex. These days she is particularly associated with sacred prostitution* (also known as temple prostitution), which, in the religions of the Ancient Near East, took on the form of every woman having to, at some point in her life, go to the temple of Ishtar and have sex with the first stranger who offered her money. Once a woman entered the temple of Ishtar for the purpose of sacred prostitution, she was not allowed to leave until she’d done the deed. I can’t imagine that sacred prostitution sex was ever very good sex, but hey, what do I know? Probably some people were pretty into it – I mean, if you can imagine it, someone’s made porn about it, right?

Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that, yes, Ishtar was associated with fertility and sex. However, her symbols were the lion, the gate and the eight-pointed star; I can’t find any evidence of eggs or rabbits symbolically belonging to her. And Easter has nothing to do with her.

Most scholars believe that Easter gets its name from Eostre or Ostara, a Germanic pagan goddess. English and German are two of the very few languages that use some variation of the word Easter (or, in German, Ostern) as a name for this holiday. Most other European languages use one form or another of the Latin name for Easter, Pascha, which is derived from the Hebrew Pesach, meaning Passover.

. . . But at its roots Easter (which is pronounced Ishtar) was all about celebrating fertility and sex.

Look. Here’s the thing. Our Western Easter traditions incorporate a lot of elements from a bunch of different religious backgrounds. You can’t really say that it’s just about resurrection, or just about spring, or just about fertility and sex. You can’t pick one thread out of a tapestry and say, “Hey, now this particular strand is what this tapestry’s really about.” It doesn’t work that way; very few things in life do.

The fact is that the Ancient Romans were smart when it came to conquering. In their pagan days, they would absorb gods and goddesses from every religion they encountered into their own pantheon; when the Roman Empire became Christian, the Roman Catholic Church continued to do the same thing, in a manner of speaking.

And do you know why that worked so well? Because adaptability is a really, really good trait to have in terms of survival of the fittest (something I wish the present-day Catholic Church would remember). Scratch the surface of just about any Christian holiday, and you’ll find pagan elements, if not a downright pagan theme, underneath.

Know what else? Most Christians know this. Or, at least, most of the Christians that I’m friends with (which is, admittedly, a fairly small sampling). They know that Jesus wasn’t really born on December 25th, and they know that there were never any actual snakes in Ireland, and they know that rabbits and eggs are fertility symbols. But they don’t care, because they realize that religions evolve and change and that that’s actually a good thing, not a bad thing. The fact that many Christian saints are just re-imagined pagan gods and goddesses doesn’t alter their faith one iota; because faith isn’t about reason or sense, it’s about belief.

Look, go ahead and debate religion. Go ahead and tell Christians why what they believe is wrong. That’s totally fine and, in fact, I encourage it. A little debate and critical thinking are good for everyone. But do it intelligently. Get to know the Bible, so you actually know what you’re disagreeing with when you form an argument. Brush up on your theology so that you can explain why it’s so wrong. And have some compassion, for Christ’s sake – be polite and respectful when you enter into a debate, even when the person you’re debating with loses their cool. You want to prove that you’re better, more enlightened than Christians? Great, do it by remaining rational and level-headed in the face of someone who’s willing to stoop to personal attacks. To behave otherwise is to be just as bad as the people you’re debating.
The general rule of infographics and similar fare is that the more deliciously it skewers people you don't respect very much, the more likely it is to be a fake. Always good to consider before you click that "share" button.




Depends on how you look at it my friend. Just as Jesus probably wasn't born in Dec, from multiple different examples. Don't recall them off the top of my head exactly, but sure they'll pop up in this discussion lol. But there is mention of shepherds, and shepherds in the fields with their flock ect. The date in itself is irrelevant. Wouldn't matter if we celebrated Christmas in the middle of July in 100 degree weather or like it is in December, in the winter. But it is celebrated in memory/celebration of Jesus' birth. And kept to one day to make it easier to congregate with family and makes plans, ect. At this time in question, Jesus' birth, they weren't so organized in such a way where there's birth certificates and so forth. There is absolutely no way to know 100% the day Jesus was born. But again is irrelevant for we do celebrate Christmas in honor and memory of Jesus' birth.

Regardless if other beliefs/celebration are on that day is irrelevant.

And yes the celebrations of say Easter. Again the exact day is irrelevant. There is absolutely NO idea to know the exact day Jesus resurrected. But nonetheless the celebration of Easter takes place in memory and showing thanks of.

The Easter bunny, eggs, ect are just for the kids. Lightens the idea of the celebration for a child. Making it more "fun" rather then serious kind of celebration.


whats relevant is what the Bible says.


Sunrise worship.

Ezek 8:16
16 So He brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house; and there, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men with their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, and they were worshiping the sun toward the east.
NKJV

who is this?

Prophecy.

Gen 1:1 - Rev 19:5

After these things I heard a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Alleluia! Salvation and glory and honor and power belong to the Lord our God! 2 For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her." 3 Again they said, "Alleluia! Her smoke rises up forever and ever!" 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying,"Amen! Alleluia!" 5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying,"Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!"
NKJV

The Elders fall down towards Yahweh not the east. where is Yahweh's Throne? Hint it is not towards the east

which son do you worship the Sun or the Son?

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Sat 04/19/14 08:10 PM
I immediately knew that this was a bit of nonsense for the simple reason that Easter is an English word. The Greeks and Romans called it Pascha, which is why Easter is Pasqua in Italian, Pascua in Spanish, and Paques in French. How exactly did the name of a Canaanite fertility goddess skip all the way to England from the Middle East without stopping in Rome or Byzantium?



pascha

NT:3957 pascha (pas'-khah); of Aramaic origin [compare OT:6453]; the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it):


KJV - Easter, Passover.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright � 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


OT:6453

OT:6453 Pecach (peh'-sakh); from OT:6452; a pretermission, i.e. exemption; used only techically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim):


KJV - passover (offering).
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright � 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


in the NT Pacsha is translated 28 times as Passover and 1 time as Easter. King James. It is good to be the King.

Same greek word. Yahshua did not say I am going to come back to eat the Bunny rabbit with us anew. or is that The Jack Rabbit that's Anew?laugh

common I know u r smarter than that

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Sat 04/19/14 06:23 PM

A Church father (forget who exactly right now) in a letter to a new Bishop, contained the supressed passage and the advice to deny it, including the phrase "Afterall, a lie to a pagan is not a lie"


I am sure their have been many who would say that. Joseph Smith taught that to steal from a gentile was not stealing at all

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Sat 04/19/14 04:14 PM







http://news.discovery.com/history/religion/gospel-of-jesus-wife-is-no-forgery-experts-rule-140410.htm



The Gospel of Jesus'�� Wife, a papyrus fragment of Coptic script containing a suggestion that Jesus may have been married, is an ancient document, and not a modern forgery, says a paper published in the Harvard Theological Review on Tuesday.

Tests by teams of engineering, biology, and chemistry professors from Columbia University, Harvard University, and MIT indicate the papyrus dates to between the sixth and ninth centuries, and possibly as far back as the second to fourth centuries.

The brownish-yellow, tattered fragment, about 1 1/2 inches by 3 inches, caused international uproar when it was presented at a conference in Rome in September 2012 by Harvard Professor Karen L. King.



Written in Coptic, a language of ancient Egyptian Christians, the fragment appears to be a broken conversation between Jesus and his disciples.

The center of the business-card-sized papyrus, which features just eight lines of text on the front and six lines on the back, contained the bombshell phrase "��Jesus said to them, 'My wife'"��

"She will be able to be my disciple," said the next line. And then: "��I dwell with her."

Dismissed as a clumsy forgery�� by the Vatican newspaper, the Gospel of Jesus�� Wife was widely debated by scholars. Skepticism abounded, with several experts arguing over the document'��s poor grammar and its uncertain provenance.



But according to Harvard Divinity School, "��none of the testing has produced any evidence that the fragment is a modern fabrication or forgery."

"��The fragment does not provide evidence that the historical Jesus was married but concerns an early Christian debate over whether women who are wives and mothers can be disciples of Jesus,"�� King wrote in the Harvard Theological Review.

In addition to radiocarbon testing, microscopic and multispectral imaging, the researchers used micro-Raman spectroscopy to determine that the carbon character of the ink matched samples of other papyri that date from the first to eighth centuries.

"After all the research was complete, King weighed all the evidence of the age and characteristics of the papyrus and ink, handwriting, language, and historical context to conclude the fragment is almost certainly a product of early Christians, not a modern forger," Harvard Divinity School said in a statement.



The Harvard Theological Review is also publishing a rebuttal to King'��s findings by Brown University professor Leo Depuydt, who still maintains the document is a forgery.

"��And not a very good one at that,"�� he wrote.

According to Depuydt, the fragment contains "��gross grammatical errors."�� Also, each word in it matched writing in the Gospel of Thomas, an early Christian text discovered in Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in 1945.

"��It couldn'��t possibly be coincidence,"�� he told The New York Times.

Depuydt also argued that carbon black ink can be easily created by mixing candle soot and oil.

"An undergraduate student with one semester of Coptic can make a reed pen and start drawing lines,"�� he concluded.

Photo: Gospel of Jesus' Wife: front. Credit: Karen L. King 2012.



The Vatican's newspaper L'Osservatore Romano has claimed the gospel is a "very modern forgery".[5] A number of independent scholars have since provided evidence to support this view, suggesting the papyrus includes textual mistakes (a typographical error) identical to those made only in a particular on-line modern iteration of corresponding texts.

Revelation 19:7
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
--

Ephesians 5:25-27
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
--

Think it's pretty clear that we're Jesus' bride, the church. More verses on this can be found if needed I do believe.


i dunno... there is a big chunk of his life that is missing, and unless he was gay, he should have gotten married.. that was the norm back then... but i'm sure you know better than me, i wasn't there... and if he wasn't married, how could there be the last Zion of Christ in dogma?


Zion of Christ in dogma? Please elaborate, not sure what is being referenced there. Why would he have to be gay or gotten married? He already has a wife, the church. And he didn't need a mortal wife eg., a flesh and blood woman, for he wasn't here to reproduce. He was here to finalize one covenant, and give us another in place.


he was human, wasn't he? human men still have needs, and there are no "scriptures" from his life from 18-30, is there? so you have your OPINION, and i have mine...


yes he was human, and the bible is not with out conjugal references. there is much speculation as to his relationship with magdelane. nowhere does he preach total abstinence. I believe his lifestyle did not lend itself to marriage - at least not at the point he began preaching where his life is recorded by the Gospels.

He was a wandering preacher, an outlaw on the run for the last few years of his life...not exactly the marrying kind.


Or more startling, in the supressed verses of Mark- the denial of these verses is the origin of the phrase, "a lie to a pagan, is not a lie- there are overt references of a homo-erotic relationship between Jesus and Lazerus.


a lie to a pagan is not a lie. where do u come up with that? we have to follow examples in the scriptures. they r their for our own good. The only example of I know of a lie being ok is when Abraham said Sarah was his sister to the Eygptians.
The point here is Abraham lied to protect her not himself. Yahshua could of lied and said I Am not the I AM. Yet he did not and suffered greatly for it. Abraham lied to protect others.

Yahshua told the Truth and was killed for it as we are told as they hated him they will hate us also if we try to follow in Yahshua footsteps and that is desiring to know Yahweh. To not back down. Ours is to obey. period. This is Faith. Yahshua kept the Law that's what made him sinless. That is the measuring stick to ourselves whpo we really are. where we came from. To show compassion on others as Yahshua showed compassion for us. To realize our lives our not our own. Trust and obey. and Yahweh will not dispise a Broken and contrite heart. My she hears my voice and another they will not follow. What is this voice? It is the Holy Spirit. To say Yahshua had any type of homo erotic tendencies toward Lazarus denies him being the Word that Became Flesh. We are to be the word that comes out of our fleshly Bodies to the Grace and Knowledge of True love. we are all wrong. remember that. only by the Grace of Yahweh can we be saved from a corrupt and unjust world.

Your statement TBrich

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Or more startling, in the supressed verses of Mark- the denial of these verses is the origin of the phrase, "a lie to a pagan, is not a lie- there are overt references of a homo-erotic relationship between Jesus and Lazerus." does not hold water. It is a denial of Yahshua and the sacrifice he made for us.





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I can only talk about the theology since I don't actually have an opinion on this.

The hebrew messianic figure with which jesus is loosely associated is really derived as an extrapolation of old hebrew, pheonican, aramaic and early-greek scriptural representations of much earlier oral traditions within which the religion was once practised, well more of a system of government but that's basically the formative role of religion (to govern a peoples).

Essentially, at its core, the hebrew messianic figure of which xtians liken the jesus deity (or aspect thereof), is an ideogram of a conceptual statement written YHWH. This figure, YHWH is associated with elohim (literally 'to life'), which in good translation means 'god of strength' pentacostally. The hebrew term "YHWH elohim" is incorrectly translated in xtian bibles as "the LORD God".

It doesn't mean that at all. Never did.

YHWH is a person, it means literally 'military leader'. The degree of clear, demonstrable and obvious Platoic influence in the NT books which simply does not exist in earlier hebrew religion elicits the modern theological hypothesis that greek scholars of classically educated romans were attempting to utilize what was at the time an intriguing asiatic pagan mythology towards political agenda: to redirect an aristocratic focus in the roman world of conservative imperialism, towards a more fruitful endeavour of democratic reform. After all, it was the main difference between the romans and the greeks, and the romans had taken to educating their best and brightest in greece.

It's a bit like if Greenpeace got their hands on Wicca and started rewriting it as being all about saving the whales. So new generations intruigued or attracted to wicca would actually be supporting Greenpeace. Point being, white lie, good cause. But lie. It is definitely an out and out lie, lie and lie, no question. Simple research of primary source documentation with independent translation clears that up instantly.

Anyhoo, as controversial as the observation leads, the current theological understanding academically is that hebrew religion was originally pantheistic and not monotheistic at all, and Elohim is probably the closest word you're ever going to find to describe "god" concept, although it doesn't really mean that, and it's a feminine term, which would really annoy xtian pentacostals to the very core. YHWH is jesus sure, if you put him in a suit of shining armour and place him at the head of a huge army of israelites slaughtering their foes, as it is what the ideogram means.

In other words, the most original, primary source documentation of hebrew scriptures are not written in a phonetic language, and they don't translate very well into phonetic languages. And that, combined with subesequent political agendas involved, is the clear reason for obvious and in some cases entirely intentional mistranslations of a jewish governing system to become a xtian fairy tale.

Couple of simple examples: old-hebrew term for a foreign lord or knight, in xtian bibles mistranslated as giant or angel-born. The old-hebrew term for angel is actually mistranslated in xtian bibles about 50% of the time as devil, a word and concept which didn't actually exist prior to the 12th century by the way (it's a middle english word, no such thing in hebrew times). And the catholic term 'demon' is actually a mistranslation of a greek term that was used by rabbi in the 1st century to describe divine messengers.
There is no such thing as 'heaven' in any stretch of the imagination in the entirety of old-hebrew religion, and 'hell' which is actually a nordic term of the 7th century, loosely mistranslates the hebrew term 'sheol' which in fact means 'don't wind up destitute in a city whatever you do, your life will be very very bad', and it doesn't nor has it ever meant anything remotely otherworldly.
These fundamental xtian ideals are utter fictions. They just don't exist in the religion it claims to come from, at all, not in any way. Where they are found historically, is in the european rural pagan mythology of greco-roman times, not even slightly hebrew in origin.

It's all really nothing new. Same thing happened with egyptian revival. Their pagan religions were all but utterly wiped out by the end of the 1st century and experienced a few revivals over the next two millennia. But they were re-imagined innaccurately, and for example the pyramids went from bold examples of nationalist industrial potency in the face of any potential enemy, to 'doorways to the otherworld' which is utter rot. They were never that infantile, you'd could never accomplish such an undertaking if you were, and all empirical evidence infers the standing aforementioned hypothesis exclusively. Not magical vessels designed to perform magic, but intimidating monuments designed to intimidate. Clearly.
Compare a modern neo-egyptian pagan to a historical one and you'll find the old one laughing histerically at the new. That's how misinterpretation and ill-conception goes, it's the difference between the artist and their obsessed fans.




It is nice to see u on here. Your knowledge and Desire to know truth is commendable. It is like talking to a brick wall. no matter what u say they want to say oh well that was the OT. Like Yahweh made a mistake. when Zech 14 shows whats coming. and its not a jc I am sure u know what jc and j hovah means . but it is prophecy this would be. Great job. I like people who desire the word and learn for themselves. The Spirit works with those who desire to learn. May Yahweh of Hosts Bless u and Yours.

Num 6:22-27

22 And YHWH spoke unto Moses, saying,

23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 YHWH bless you, and keep you:

25 YHWH make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 YHWH lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
KJV

Name what name Huh?

Isa 8:20

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
KJV

To them this was a mistake Yahweh made.




Num 6:22-27

22 And YHWH spoke unto Moses, saying,

23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 YHWH bless you, and keep you:

25 YHWH make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 YHWH lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
KJV

Name what name Huh?

Isa 8:20

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
KJV

To them this was a mistake Yahweh made.


You ask what name? Well don't know what KJV you got that out of, but the king James version shows explicitly what name.

Numbers 6:22-27
King James Version (KJV)
22 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 The Lord bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel, and I will bless them.


It is the Lord speaking eg., Jesus Christ.


Exodus 34:14 (NASB)
—for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God—


name here

OT:8034

OT:8034 shem (shame); a primitive word [perhaps rather from OT:7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; compare OT:8064]; an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character:


KJV - base, [in-] fame [-ous], named (-d), renown, report.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright � 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Jealous is what Yahweh is for his people not his name

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Thu 04/17/14 10:25 AM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Thu 04/17/14 10:24 AM



I can only talk about the theology since I don't actually have an opinion on this.

The hebrew messianic figure with which jesus is loosely associated is really derived as an extrapolation of old hebrew, pheonican, aramaic and early-greek scriptural representations of much earlier oral traditions within which the religion was once practised, well more of a system of government but that's basically the formative role of religion (to govern a peoples).

Essentially, at its core, the hebrew messianic figure of which xtians liken the jesus deity (or aspect thereof), is an ideogram of a conceptual statement written YHWH. This figure, YHWH is associated with elohim (literally 'to life'), which in good translation means 'god of strength' pentacostally. The hebrew term "YHWH elohim" is incorrectly translated in xtian bibles as "the LORD God".

It doesn't mean that at all. Never did.

YHWH is a person, it means literally 'military leader'. The degree of clear, demonstrable and obvious Platoic influence in the NT books which simply does not exist in earlier hebrew religion elicits the modern theological hypothesis that greek scholars of classically educated romans were attempting to utilize what was at the time an intriguing asiatic pagan mythology towards political agenda: to redirect an aristocratic focus in the roman world of conservative imperialism, towards a more fruitful endeavour of democratic reform. After all, it was the main difference between the romans and the greeks, and the romans had taken to educating their best and brightest in greece.

It's a bit like if Greenpeace got their hands on Wicca and started rewriting it as being all about saving the whales. So new generations intruigued or attracted to wicca would actually be supporting Greenpeace. Point being, white lie, good cause. But lie. It is definitely an out and out lie, lie and lie, no question. Simple research of primary source documentation with independent translation clears that up instantly.

Anyhoo, as controversial as the observation leads, the current theological understanding academically is that hebrew religion was originally pantheistic and not monotheistic at all, and Elohim is probably the closest word you're ever going to find to describe "god" concept, although it doesn't really mean that, and it's a feminine term, which would really annoy xtian pentacostals to the very core. YHWH is jesus sure, if you put him in a suit of shining armour and place him at the head of a huge army of israelites slaughtering their foes, as it is what the ideogram means.

In other words, the most original, primary source documentation of hebrew scriptures are not written in a phonetic language, and they don't translate very well into phonetic languages. And that, combined with subesequent political agendas involved, is the clear reason for obvious and in some cases entirely intentional mistranslations of a jewish governing system to become a xtian fairy tale.

Couple of simple examples: old-hebrew term for a foreign lord or knight, in xtian bibles mistranslated as giant or angel-born. The old-hebrew term for angel is actually mistranslated in xtian bibles about 50% of the time as devil, a word and concept which didn't actually exist prior to the 12th century by the way (it's a middle english word, no such thing in hebrew times). And the catholic term 'demon' is actually a mistranslation of a greek term that was used by rabbi in the 1st century to describe divine messengers.
There is no such thing as 'heaven' in any stretch of the imagination in the entirety of old-hebrew religion, and 'hell' which is actually a nordic term of the 7th century, loosely mistranslates the hebrew term 'sheol' which in fact means 'don't wind up destitute in a city whatever you do, your life will be very very bad', and it doesn't nor has it ever meant anything remotely otherworldly.
These fundamental xtian ideals are utter fictions. They just don't exist in the religion it claims to come from, at all, not in any way. Where they are found historically, is in the european rural pagan mythology of greco-roman times, not even slightly hebrew in origin.

It's all really nothing new. Same thing happened with egyptian revival. Their pagan religions were all but utterly wiped out by the end of the 1st century and experienced a few revivals over the next two millennia. But they were re-imagined innaccurately, and for example the pyramids went from bold examples of nationalist industrial potency in the face of any potential enemy, to 'doorways to the otherworld' which is utter rot. They were never that infantile, you'd could never accomplish such an undertaking if you were, and all empirical evidence infers the standing aforementioned hypothesis exclusively. Not magical vessels designed to perform magic, but intimidating monuments designed to intimidate. Clearly.
Compare a modern neo-egyptian pagan to a historical one and you'll find the old one laughing histerically at the new. That's how misinterpretation and ill-conception goes, it's the difference between the artist and their obsessed fans.




It is nice to see u on here. Your knowledge and Desire to know truth is commendable. It is like talking to a brick wall. no matter what u say they want to say oh well that was the OT. Like Yahweh made a mistake. when Zech 14 shows whats coming. and its not a jc I am sure u know what jc and j hovah means . but it is prophecy this would be. Great job. I like people who desire the word and learn for themselves. The Spirit works with those who desire to learn. May Yahweh of Hosts Bless u and Yours.

Num 6:22-27

22 And YHWH spoke unto Moses, saying,

23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 YHWH bless you, and keep you:

25 YHWH make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 YHWH lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
KJV

Name what name Huh?

Isa 8:20

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
KJV

To them this was a mistake Yahweh made.




Num 6:22-27

22 And YHWH spoke unto Moses, saying,

23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 YHWH bless you, and keep you:

25 YHWH make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 YHWH lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
KJV

Name what name Huh?

Isa 8:20

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
KJV

To them this was a mistake Yahweh made.


You ask what name? Well don't know what KJV you got that out of, but the king James version shows explicitly what name.

Numbers 6:22-27
King James Version (KJV)
22 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 The Lord bless thee, and keep thee:

25 The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel, and I will bless them.


It is the Lord speaking eg., Jesus Christ.


I am sorry Cowboy. For some reason u just can not see.Only Yahshua can let u

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Wed 04/16/14 08:59 PM
Zech 4:8-14

8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.
KJV

Zech 5:1-3
5:1 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
KJV

Matt 24:14

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
KJV

Rev 11:1-10
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
KJV


for 3 1/2 years the Evangel will be preached. Yahshua said then he would come back.

Matt 24:24-25
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible , they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
KJV

The jc word has been preached throughout the whole world. Yet where are these 2 witnesses who must be preaching the real word for 3 1/2 years?

they forget that the whole world would be deceived but it is not for the elects sake.

They forget the 2 witnesses will be hated as all the prophets and Yahshua was.

they have ichy ears to hear what they want to hear. The Evangel of Yahweh has not yet stated to be preached to the whole world


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Wed 04/16/14 08:10 PM

I can only talk about the theology since I don't actually have an opinion on this.

The hebrew messianic figure with which jesus is loosely associated is really derived as an extrapolation of old hebrew, pheonican, aramaic and early-greek scriptural representations of much earlier oral traditions within which the religion was once practised, well more of a system of government but that's basically the formative role of religion (to govern a peoples).

Essentially, at its core, the hebrew messianic figure of which xtians liken the jesus deity (or aspect thereof), is an ideogram of a conceptual statement written YHWH. This figure, YHWH is associated with elohim (literally 'to life'), which in good translation means 'god of strength' pentacostally. The hebrew term "YHWH elohim" is incorrectly translated in xtian bibles as "the LORD God".

It doesn't mean that at all. Never did.

YHWH is a person, it means literally 'military leader'. The degree of clear, demonstrable and obvious Platoic influence in the NT books which simply does not exist in earlier hebrew religion elicits the modern theological hypothesis that greek scholars of classically educated romans were attempting to utilize what was at the time an intriguing asiatic pagan mythology towards political agenda: to redirect an aristocratic focus in the roman world of conservative imperialism, towards a more fruitful endeavour of democratic reform. After all, it was the main difference between the romans and the greeks, and the romans had taken to educating their best and brightest in greece.

It's a bit like if Greenpeace got their hands on Wicca and started rewriting it as being all about saving the whales. So new generations intruigued or attracted to wicca would actually be supporting Greenpeace. Point being, white lie, good cause. But lie. It is definitely an out and out lie, lie and lie, no question. Simple research of primary source documentation with independent translation clears that up instantly.

Anyhoo, as controversial as the observation leads, the current theological understanding academically is that hebrew religion was originally pantheistic and not monotheistic at all, and Elohim is probably the closest word you're ever going to find to describe "god" concept, although it doesn't really mean that, and it's a feminine term, which would really annoy xtian pentacostals to the very core. YHWH is jesus sure, if you put him in a suit of shining armour and place him at the head of a huge army of israelites slaughtering their foes, as it is what the ideogram means.

In other words, the most original, primary source documentation of hebrew scriptures are not written in a phonetic language, and they don't translate very well into phonetic languages. And that, combined with subesequent political agendas involved, is the clear reason for obvious and in some cases entirely intentional mistranslations of a jewish governing system to become a xtian fairy tale.

Couple of simple examples: old-hebrew term for a foreign lord or knight, in xtian bibles mistranslated as giant or angel-born. The old-hebrew term for angel is actually mistranslated in xtian bibles about 50% of the time as devil, a word and concept which didn't actually exist prior to the 12th century by the way (it's a middle english word, no such thing in hebrew times). And the catholic term 'demon' is actually a mistranslation of a greek term that was used by rabbi in the 1st century to describe divine messengers.
There is no such thing as 'heaven' in any stretch of the imagination in the entirety of old-hebrew religion, and 'hell' which is actually a nordic term of the 7th century, loosely mistranslates the hebrew term 'sheol' which in fact means 'don't wind up destitute in a city whatever you do, your life will be very very bad', and it doesn't nor has it ever meant anything remotely otherworldly.
These fundamental xtian ideals are utter fictions. They just don't exist in the religion it claims to come from, at all, not in any way. Where they are found historically, is in the european rural pagan mythology of greco-roman times, not even slightly hebrew in origin.

It's all really nothing new. Same thing happened with egyptian revival. Their pagan religions were all but utterly wiped out by the end of the 1st century and experienced a few revivals over the next two millennia. But they were re-imagined innaccurately, and for example the pyramids went from bold examples of nationalist industrial potency in the face of any potential enemy, to 'doorways to the otherworld' which is utter rot. They were never that infantile, you'd could never accomplish such an undertaking if you were, and all empirical evidence infers the standing aforementioned hypothesis exclusively. Not magical vessels designed to perform magic, but intimidating monuments designed to intimidate. Clearly.
Compare a modern neo-egyptian pagan to a historical one and you'll find the old one laughing histerically at the new. That's how misinterpretation and ill-conception goes, it's the difference between the artist and their obsessed fans.




It is nice to see u on here. Your knowledge and Desire to know truth is commendable. It is like talking to a brick wall. no matter what u say they want to say oh well that was the OT. Like Yahweh made a mistake. when Zech 14 shows whats coming. and its not a jc I am sure u know what jc and j hovah means . but it is prophecy this would be. Great job. I like people who desire the word and learn for themselves. The Spirit works with those who desire to learn. May Yahweh of Hosts Bless u and Yours.

Num 6:22-27

22 And YHWH spoke unto Moses, saying,

23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,

24 YHWH bless you, and keep you:

25 YHWH make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

26 YHWH lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.
KJV

Name what name Huh?

Isa 8:20

20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
KJV

To them this was a mistake Yahweh made.

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Tue 04/08/14 05:56 PM
Yahshua was born a man. Yet he was not born into sin. All people are born into sin. How can this be? He is Born of the Holy Spirit yet why did he wait until age 30 to come out and be baptized? Why?

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Mon 04/07/14 01:51 PM

http://eugene.craigslist.org/stp/4410982522.html

Happy Happy Craiglist Datinglaugh drinker flowerforyou

Beware not Believe 2 Year Lease / No Option Wanted - w4m (Eugene)


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Beware Not Believe Had 2 Year Lease No Option Needed - w4m - (Eugene)

2 Yr lease / No OPTION NEEDED
Male 39 (41 now) responded to my "looking for a Godly man with a good heart who is honest & funny".

I felt so bad he never had a woman make his lunch, cook him dinner every night, do his laundry, keep a clean house. He was downright abused. I did all those things and many many other for the entire time.
Sometimes I even picked up dog droppings and mowed the lawn for him if he couldn't. He usually couldn't do it if it was any day that ended in a y.

4 or 5 Months he forgot to mention he is a seasoned alcoholic who recently quit. 7 months later you find a tiny little detail out he forgot to mention: He has an anger problem

He told me everything I needed to hear so I'd get the warm, fuzzy thing going on and I could focus on that & forget about all the little things like him taking lots of meat out of my freezer and giving it to people at work. A gift from him. He knows that if he had asked me if he could take the large quantity and give to the needy (employees at work who are single with jobs) I would have been happy to empty part of a freezer shelf off.

He has a freak curse that attracts bad people. His family are bad, real bad. All past friends, girlfriends, wives, employers, judges, law enforcement, teachers and others. What an unfair one man battle with the awful world.

For 2 years he lived in my house, drove my vehicles, spent my money for his additional daily needs: Tobacco; Alcohol; Energy Drinks; Scratch Tickets If I had 25 cents for every lie I have found out about, I could by something really blingy!


Didn't work that much. He had always had 2 & 3 jobs at a times before I met him so at 39 he was way burned out. When he did work....every employer didn't pay him and when he finally got paid (finally he can help out a little itty tiny bit) he made the damn money he'll spend it the way he feels fit.... like when he is super tired and just needs to rest. He gives some of that copper he finally gets to the local motel six (nice guy is trying to help their business survive by supporting it)

He loved to shop craigslist for vehicles, sporting stuff, and women (some are struggling poor girls just trying to money for bills). Good thing he has that smartphone I pay for so they can work out the details of his charitable work he does to assist them.

Facebook will destruct if he doesn't get on and check it many times a day. He is doing a public service (such a sacrificing man) chatting or messaging all those childhood ugly, tomboy, neighborhood friends, that he thinks of like a dudes and WOULD NEVER....thought alone makes him ill.

I bought all his clothes, shoes, jackets, sunglasses, contacts, underwear, socks, boots, healthcare, dental care, licenses, gas/fuel, entertainment, expenses etc...Everything and I am on a limited income.

He is crashing on someone's floor or couch in Eugene and checking & responding to CL & FB often. It only takes one woman and that could be you if you are not careful! This C*nt is trying to save you... (my neighbors for years knew me by my birthname....they were shocked to hear many, many times that it is really not that at all but instead I go by the name C*nt.

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Fri 04/04/14 07:39 AM

I know JESUS to be the son of God, in john 3:16. He came to this world to restored man back to God, by dying for the sins of this world by shearing his blood for the remission of sins, three days later he resurrected and he is alive today.In john 14;6, He said I am the way and the truth and the life,no one comes to the father except through me. Act 4:12, salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by wish we must be saved.john 1:1-5, made us know He is God,and verse 12 made us know only by believing and accepting him as your God you will be his son too.


u r right u can call him whatever u want and he knows who u r talking about.. u can call him, Budda, Allah, Vishnu, Baal, lord, god , ronnnie, steve, satan, it does not matter he loves all the names u call him

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Wed 04/02/14 11:17 AM


names mean a lot. je sus does not mean what has been told. anyone who really wants to know look at what sus means in the greek or what hovah means in the Hebrew it will blow your mind


Je-sus basically means dirty pig; hovah means disaster, however that is from HVH and actually should be from HYH or "he is".

Sus is can also be seen as being derived from Zeus in some claims


yes interesting Nostradomus spoke about this in his writings also. but what is known to be shown that people call to is the HVH so who do these 2 names point to?

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Wed 04/02/14 10:10 AM
names mean a lot. je sus does not mean what has been told. anyone who really wants to know look at what sus means in the greek or what hovah means in the Hebrew it will blow your mind

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Tue 04/01/14 10:33 AM
sounds like a oxymoron to me

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Sun 03/30/14 02:30 PM


I am curious what America will do. Please Saudi or do them like Russia?

This was just in the News the other day. He was told he could stay but could never leave America. He said no to the deal.


Gay Saudi Diplomat Seeks U.S. Asylum

By REBECCA CATHCART

Published: September 14, 2010
LOS ANGELES — An openly gay Saudi Arabian diplomat in Los Angeles who requested asylum in late August said he had received death threats since making it public on Saturday that he had asked to be allowed to stay in the United States.

The diplomat, Ali Ahmad Asseri, was still awaiting word from American officials on his application Tuesday, and said he feared execution if he returned to his home country.

Mr. Asseri sent a letter Saturday to various news outlets saying that employees at the Saudi Consulate had harassed him after they began to suspect that he was gay and after learning that a close friend was a Jewish Israeli woman.

“My life is in a great danger here,” Mr. Asseri wrote in the letter, “and if I go back to Saudi Arabia, they will kill me openly in broad daylight. I want my voice to be heard, and I want them to know that I am not alone.”

On the phone Tuesday, Mr. Asseri said he had received several threats on his life this week since posting comments on a popular Arabic Web site that criticized “militant imams” and threatened to expose embarrassing information about Saudi royalty living in the United States. Mr. Asseri’s lawyer, Ally Bolour, said Saudi officials had terminated his position with the consulate and refused to renew his diplomatic passport.

“He has a tremendous amount of courage to put his life on the line like this and come out in such a public way,” Mr. Bolour said.

Mr. Asseri, who is in his 40s, had announced his intention to gain asylum “against my advice,” Mr. Bolour said. “I wish he hadn’t gone public.”

Nail al-Jubeir, a spokesman for the Saudi Embassy in Washington, said Saudi officials had not terminated Mr. Asseri’s position, but transferred him last spring to a post at the foreign ministry in Riyadh. Mr. Asseri said he has been in hiding since earlier in the summer, Mr. Jubeir said.

“His tour of duty in Los Angeles was completed after four years,” Mr. Jubeir said. “He applied for a one-year extension, and we granted that. But we didn’t renew his diplomatic passport because it was for his position in L.A., and his position does not exist there anymore.”

At the consulate, Mr. Asseri was a first secretary, “a person with a college degree who has about 12 years in the foreign service,” Mr. Jubeir said. Mr. Asseri has worked in diplomatic positions in at least two countries, he said.

Mr. Jubeir said possible consequences for a Saudi diplomat who announces he is gay “have not been discussed.” But, he added, “In general, homosexuality in Islam is unacceptable.”

The last Saudi diplomat granted asylum in the United States, Mr. Jubeir said, was Mohammed al-Khilewi in 1994. Mr. Khilewi, a first secretary for the Saudi mission to the United Nations at the time, applied after making public statements criticizing Saudi Arabia’s human rights record and linking the country to support for terrorist networks.

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Sun 03/30/14 02:18 PM
I have a saying I try to keep in my thoughts the best I can about Love

" Handle With Care"