Sorry Darlin'... I have no burning desire to argue who is crazier - too reminiscent of the testosterone driven "mine is bigger/stronger/better than yours" position that is as old as life itself.

I do not need to "understand" [dissect] a belief in order to "accept" [have Faith] it as being valid.

Telling me what I believe is a tad arrogant, though. Now who is attempting to be omnipotent?!

Oh yes I should have explained further in detail. Not the impact of the meteorite itself started life but what was on it that intergrated with earth helped shift the tide in creating life, which of course took millions of years before the first sign of life even happened. In otherwords what I am saying is the meteorite was a important cycle in creating life. Or like you say help plant the seed.

Dude you quoted the Christian bible. I didn't tell you what you believed, you advertised it.

But back to the matter at hand: aliens! Belief in god doesn't make belief in aliens impossible. Maybe he has a whole zoo of a universe to entertain himself. Maybe aliens put us here in the first place. Maybe we technically are aliens if you consider that some of the advanced ingredients of abiogenesis most likely came from asteroids hitting the Earth.

The point of my argument, though, is where are all these other beings that most likely exist?! Why aren't they here chilling with us, enjoying some Earth beer with us??

Ahh I understand what you both mean by alien now.

I was taking the strict definition where if you are born in a country then you are not an alien.

ie, if life started here, we are not aliens, even if "humans" started elsewhere.

Great Sci fi book by David Weber called Mutineers Moon. I am not going to give it away, but I have read this book 5 times at least.
http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0671720856/0671720856.htm

Fascinating story. Didn't he win a Hugo for that one?

I don't know . . . I worked at books a million in the mall, and a coworker suggested it, and mentioned the free online library, well I started reading this one, and was immediately hooked by Weber, he is truly a master.

He can bring together disparate threads so fast it makes your head spin, and you never saw it coming.

This particular story really got my imagination going.

So you have read this sky?

Is there another spider around here? This one believes in evolution.

Oh sorry, you just don't believe that there is other life? . . . a big city but only one show in town?

Gotcha . . . . Im glad to know you don't think god put all those fossils in the strata to fool us, only made billions of stars in each of the hundreds of billions of galaxies with trillions of possible planets perhaps in each galaxy with only one source of life and that is only in the observable portion of this one universe . . . gotcha.

perhaps the lack of contact indicates the impossiblity of faster than light travel. without that it's just not worth the hundred generations it would take to travel anywhere

Sadly its even worse then that. 100,000 light years across means to get from one end of our galaxy to the other at light speed is 100,000 years, considering we couldn't come close to light speed . . . well.

Now communication is another thing, but then you just look into the past.

So if we got a message today, from across the galaxy it would be 100,000 years old . . . we might send back a reply, wait 100,000 years to find out they died out before getting our message . . .

They would have to be pretty close to the same neighborhood as us, or we would never know, and then we forget its a 3D plane . . . we might look 2degrees to low, or high, or at the wrong inclination . . . The further out you look, the more fine the angle. Its like a long flight across the ocean if the plane is off by a small margin at the beginning of the flight, by the end it will be WAY off course.

That wont stop us however, we will search as long as we can observe the electromagnetic spectrum we will.

Maybe the LHC will help propel our understanding, and with it our technology to where we can find ways around the massive gaps in space . . . . maybe maybe maybe . . . who can tell.

You are confusing evolution and abiogenesis, they are two different things.

God created the animals, each according to their kind and each kind has a variable gene structure, which allows them to evolve to varying degrees to overcome their environment and deal with competition.

But the key is that God created the life, it didn't happen by accident, so the number of planets in the universe is inconsequential.

Yes I read it just a couple years ago. I don't remember many details, but I do remember being fascinated by the main premise. (How the mutiny related to earth/moon in the present day.) Fun stuff!

I don't believe in life on other planets, but I don't deny the possibility. UFO's have been explained, or should be easily assumed (in my opinion). The US and Russia wanted German technology after WWII, some of which were hovercrafts that looked oddly like the UFO's that were spotted in the late 50's early 60's.

I know it has been documented in historical times with the wall carvings, but even those are left to interpretation which can and more than likely is flawed (again, my opinion). The earliest photographic evidence of one is from 1870, though looking at the image it has no likeness of any other UFO that has been captured on camera (so it is debateable).

Possibility yes, a fact...doubtful.

Dude?! [looks down at herself]

Need glasses?
*wanders off to something a little less testosterone filled*

In the face of new research I find it near impossible that we are alone in the universe as far as life goes (too many ways to form functional RNA, and also DNA bases), I have no clue how probable intelligent life is, we have not got that far in our understanding of evolution.

Spider, I didn't confuse anything, reread my post, and try not to troll too much.

Thanks,

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For those interested here are some articles I could dig up quick that are related to the formation of life from non-life, and the time line here on earth.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080707134402.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080228174823.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081016141405.htm
Early life making use of these chemical chains found above.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081001145018.htm

More ways to make these chains then we can shake a stick at
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081105083545.htm

I remember that saying from Jurassic park . . . . life will find a way.

Bingo! I think this is right on... and it's unfortunate because I think it would be awesome to meet aliens. I feel like if they arrived on Earth, we'd get an awesome technology boost and they'd cure all of our problems.

Of course the most likely scenario is that they show up in peace, we freak out, and blow them out of the sky.

Haha three mentions of "testosterone" in a thread about alien life?? Have a lot of hang ups, do you? Long, long ago, "dude" became an interjection, not a masculine pronoun. The Oxford English Dictionary tracks these things - get with the game.

How awesome would it be if we found fossilized microbes in the Martian soil?! They're pretty sure Mars had liquid water a billion years ago. And they're pretty sure that when Earth is finished cooling, we'll lose our magnetic fields and soon Earth will look just about like Mars. Good thing we still have a few billion years before that happens. Maybe the sun will explode first.

In fact new article I was just reading talks about new info on martian oceans.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081117212321.htm