Topic: THC/Marijuana
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Wed 12/10/08 12:57 AM
legalized it its less dangerous than alcohol. you drink and want to fight and breack stuff or even hurt someone u love. you smoke and just want to hang out wacth tv,play ,or melt on the couch where is the harm on that?

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Thu 12/11/08 08:12 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 12/11/08 08:13 AM

Fact: Marijuana use alone has only been attributed to 2 deaths proven beyond a reasonable doubt as an OD (this equates to roughly 10 times the body weight of a 150 pound male). You cannot just go and blame something because it was in someone's system at the time, I'm curious what else was wrong? Psychosis (marijuana is a slight hallocinogenic and should not be used by anyone with a pre-cursor to mental illness). As well as how much was consumed, how it was consumed and whether or not it was combined with anything else (a lot of marijuana these days is laced with opium, heroin, meth, etc.).


Tell me, how does this dispute the rest of my commentary? It alters the mind - and you have learned what - if not that alcohal does the same thing. You would seek to double or triple the number of fatalities in this country by adding yet another mind alter drug into our mainstream - legally.

How much do you actually smoke?

Di I don't want to put words in your mouth but it seems you are implying that the law sways a large group of people to abstain.

I doubt that the law is a serious deterrent to people's use of drugs, and thus if legalized the numbers of people who would pick it up would probably not be like you said, doubling or tripling . . .

Then you would have to subtract the number of lives that are lost due to drug enforcement of this substance (while we are at it, lives ruined)

This is not an easy issue from a "numbers" perspective. That is why trying to quantify self harm is difficult, and in my opinion ludicrous.

My opinion is the government should NEVER restrict a persons right when there is no victim. Self harm is something that friends and family should regulate via interventions.

Otherwise, the government should ban football, hockey, driving, cigarettes, alcohol, ect ect ect ect ect ect.

Condoms should be mandatory, seat belts should be mandatory, helmets should be worn everywhere at all times. People should require authorization to cross the street . . . .

I am not being silly, this is really what I believe. Politics and religion are the only reasons why we feel the need to tell people what risky behaviors they can and cannot engage in.

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Mon 12/15/08 03:02 PM
honestly it should be legalized. i mean more people die from getting shot in a bad pot deal, then from using it. not to mention the fact that it is a great medicine. less habit forming than pills and much safer. you cant OD on it and it can be ingested in many ways. i say legalize and tax it so we can have more money!

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Mon 12/15/08 03:08 PM
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sparksley's photo
Mon 12/15/08 03:11 PM
Edited by sparksley on Mon 12/15/08 03:11 PM
I know enough about it to make my own decision on the subject without outdated political interests and morbidly conservative squares who have zero impartial knowledge or experience on the subject making it for me.

AllenAqua's photo
Mon 12/15/08 03:13 PM

I know enough about it to make my own decision on the subject without outdated political interests and morbidly conservative squares who have zero impartial knowledge or experience on the subject making it for me.
drinker

Krimsa's photo
Mon 12/15/08 03:14 PM
http://www.recipenet.org/health/articles/101_uses_hemp_chart.htm

Im all about hemp. smokin

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Mon 12/15/08 03:20 PM
Edited by choclablover on Mon 12/15/08 03:20 PM

AllenAqua's photo
Mon 12/15/08 03:25 PM


keep the hemp but save me the buds...smokin


j/k

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Mon 12/15/08 08:02 PM
Bushi
My opinion is the government should NEVER restrict a persons right when there is no victim. Self harm is something that friends and family should regulate via interventions.


sorry I just got back. I was actually making two points. One, that MJ can cause an OD and be harmful to the person, but as you said that's what one accepts when they make the choice.

What concerns me more are the victims. I've had friends injured in car accidents involving MJ, one became a quad - she was only 17 at the time.

The law is all we have to restrict the use of MJ. We know, first hand, what happens when a LEGAL substance becomes illegal, review the history of prohibition. Why risk making the mistake of legalizing a drug that will only add to the victim count of alcohol?

How safe would you feel, watching a 20 year old walking out of a gas station, lighing up and pulling out?

Not to mention that the laws for driving under the influence have lesser fines when the influence is a legal one. I can't get behind the concept of legalizing another leathal weapon.

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Mon 12/15/08 08:21 PM
Edited by quiet_2008 on Mon 12/15/08 08:22 PM
too much tip toeing around in here

I grew up as a long hair in the 70's in West Texas I learned 30 years ago the easiest way to say it is, "I smoke dope. I don't care if you like it or dont. and I dare you to try to interfere with it"

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Mon 12/15/08 08:37 PM

Bushi
My opinion is the government should NEVER restrict a persons right when there is no victim. Self harm is something that friends and family should regulate via interventions.


sorry I just got back. I was actually making two points. One, that MJ can cause an OD and be harmful to the person, but as you said that's what one accepts when they make the choice.

What concerns me more are the victims. I've had friends injured in car accidents involving MJ, one became a quad - she was only 17 at the time.

The law is all we have to restrict the use of MJ. We know, first hand, what happens when a LEGAL substance becomes illegal, review the history of prohibition. Why risk making the mistake of legalizing a drug that will only add to the victim count of alcohol?

How safe would you feel, watching a 20 year old walking out of a gas station, lighing up and pulling out?

Not to mention that the laws for driving under the influence have lesser fines when the influence is a legal one. I can't get behind the concept of legalizing another leathal weapon.



As a defensive driver I already assume EVERYONE on the road is trippin, but laws that put people in jail, get their property confiscated,cause extreme hardship financialy, stigmatize through criminal records, are at least questionable when it comes to Mj. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying it seems rediculous to me that laws made by the same folks who can legally drink until they die of alchohol poisoning, against folks who simply want to enjoy that same freedom but in a different way exist in today's world. smokin

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Mon 12/15/08 08:53 PM
I wonder if it is not the Cannabis, itself, but moreso because pot, like Alcohol, is often the gateway drug to harder substances (like Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Crack, other Opiates, and Benzos).

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Mon 12/15/08 09:06 PM
Edited by AllenAqua on Mon 12/15/08 09:08 PM

I wonder if it is not the Cannabis, itself, but moreso because pot, like Alcohol, is often the gateway drug to harder substances (like Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Crack, other Opiates, and Benzos).



Yes...that's one of the claims, but to me that logic is like saying if you try (experiment) candy, you'll soon be eating unrefined sugar by the bucketfull, or if you like video games, you're likely to just get a gun and begin randomly stealing cars and shooting people. I don't buy it. Again, I don't use it because it really doesn't do much for me besides making me sleepy but I think the war on drugs is a crock and boils down to being a scam, since if we're going to have a "war" on something,let it be ignorance and maybe just calmly and logically try to understand that maybe we're hurting more than we're helping a situation that can't be controlled. "You can't legislate morality"

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Tue 12/16/08 04:52 AM
No one really knows why one person can try it, use it socially, and it have no negative effects on their lives; and for another, it becomes a pestilent, addictive disease....one that takes away motivation, jobs, money, friends, family, love, health, freedom, looks, faith, and hope. No one really knows why one sibling can be fine with it and another can have it destroy their life. Is it genes, the environment, the particular qualities of the specific drug or brand you used....or something else. No one knows.

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Tue 12/16/08 09:07 AM

I wonder if it is not the Cannabis, itself, but moreso because pot, like Alcohol, is often the gateway drug to harder substances (like Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Crack, other Opiates, and Benzos).


In that case, I'd say that alcohol is also a "gateway drug".

Revive the economy...

Legalize it!


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Tue 12/16/08 06:32 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 12/16/08 06:35 PM

Bushi
My opinion is the government should NEVER restrict a persons right when there is no victim. Self harm is something that friends and family should regulate via interventions.


How safe would you feel, watching a 20 year old walking out of a gas station, lighing up and pulling out?



The same way I would if I saw him sip from a flask. I would also respond the same way and call the cops with tag and other info. I doubt that the threat of law has any more effect on this type of persons behavior no matter the substance and the involved responsibility.

My point is the what we are really talking about here is human behavior, and that law is not really a good modifier of behaviors like this.

The law and its enforcement have a large impact on the society as a whole.

I could see enforcement money spent on rehabilitation and having a much greater impact on public safety.

The statistics show that people that drive while under the influence tend to be repeat customers.

special_guy's photo
Tue 12/16/08 06:34 PM


I wonder if it is not the Cannabis, itself, but moreso because pot, like Alcohol, is often the gateway drug to harder substances (like Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Crack, other Opiates, and Benzos).


In that case, I'd say that alcohol is also a "gateway drug".

Revive the economy...

Legalize it!






If it was made legal with the same restrictions as alchohol and taxed like crazy I'm sure the economy would be much better off

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Wed 12/17/08 01:08 PM

I wonder if it is not the Cannabis, itself, but moreso because pot, like Alcohol, is often the gateway drug to harder substances (like Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Crack, other Opiates, and Benzos).


With the same idealism that they put Cannabis as a gateway drug, we could go so far to say that cough syrup is a gateway drug...but with the same method it would be caffeine, because everyone does caffeine before they do anything else (see where this is going?).

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Wed 12/17/08 01:12 PM
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