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Topic: If Judaism never existed would it be a better world?
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Tue 02/24/15 05:27 AM


Any belief system - which can be religious, but can also be a cultural philosophy, political movement, racial, sexual, national, territorial group, can, and has, used their ideas to get people to hate or target another group as bad or evil. Yet some ideas from these same belief systems has also been used with 'good' intentions.

This makes questions, like the one this thread asked, meaningless, as if there were not terrible humans behaviour before Judaism, or as if it and the religions that stem from it, are the root cause of what is wrong in the world today. Crazy and na�ve.

The question could be - Why do humans use so many DIFFRENT ways to hurt/disempower/de-humanise and fear other groups of people based on their beliefs and ideas?




"Humans" (actually the male species) want to feel powerful and they can only do this by making others feel weak. Men are just very insecure with fragile egos.


I do not know how you can just blame men. Look at the amount of women in positions of power now, AND in the past. And "Insecure with fragile egos" does not cut it either. Well it might be true for characters like Hitler, but for the most part Human beings are, and have always been influenced by...., and rewarded with power/domination over other human beings. Who\what is influencing them?


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Thu 03/19/15 02:23 PM
Several post have been deleted please stay on topic. Do not direct insults towards others..


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Sat 03/21/15 03:48 PM
True Monotheistic Religion (Worship Of The One Almighty God) has always existed with virtually the same minimum prerequisites.

At first, long, long ago... There were too few people on the Earth for there to be any documentable format of religious rituals.

For example, there is no rigid format for a religious group before The Great Flood of Noah's day.

And, even long after Noah and his three sons and their wives disembarking from the Ark (Big Floating Box), centuries pass without any real need for religious format.

At first, there were principal Patriarchs that followed after Noah.

These individuals were held in high esteem by other family and tribal members as they went their separate ways.

Often, the True God would send his Angels to impart knowledge and foresight of certain inevitable events.

Case-in-point, Lot.

Lot was living with his wife and two daughters, almost completely without any immediate company of fellow believers.

Eventually, Lot and his two daughter left the city of Sodom and Gomorrah with the advice of an Angel.

Among the earliest of Monotheistic religious formats for a much larger group of peoples was Zoroastrianism.

Zoroastrianism started to get apostate ideas like, Idolatry, and Fire Worship, and Deifying stars and planets as 'other gods' so, this had to be replaced with a bigger Monotheistic religious format and group.

Thus, Judaism rose-up from the displacement of a still-yet unapostasized group of believers that were incarcerated by the ancient Egyptians.

It's important to note, that when Joseph was still alive in the earlier Egypt of which he held office in... They (The Egyptians) were still fundamentally Zoroastrian.

And-what-is-more, Abraham was exiled from Egypt years before by the Pharaoh's request, on account of his not divulging Sarah was his wife and not his sister. The Pharaoh, very-rightfully stated that, "'You, Abraham, have brought the True God's furry onto the household of Egypt, on account of You're not letting me know Sarah is Your wife !'"

So, even the oldest of Pharaohs of Egypt were fundamentally, Monotheistic at one time.

In time, even Judaism started to apostatize, and so a new format of Monotheistic religion in-turn replaced it.

Thus, Christianity with the expanded hope of the prophesized Messiah Jesus as being the ultimate sacrifice in behalf of The True God's righteousness, replaces all the blood-letting of mere animals by the Israelites.

In turn, Christianity develops its own apostate ideas as a result of assuming Jesus being a licence for any lawless acts, and incorporates Idolatry and Polytheism (Worship Of More Than One God) though the guise of the Trinity Doctrine.

Thus, Islam as introduced through the prophesized Righteous Slave, is in-turn introduced to reiterate 'what' Monotheistic worship of the One True God is supposed to be.

Remember, 'ALL' original formats of Monotheistic Worship are-and-were acceptable prerequisites before Apostasy infects them.

All, original formats of Monotheistic Worship are an inevitable succession of prerequisites from The True God, and one format doesn't exist without the other.




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Wed 04/08/15 04:34 PM
Even before Sumerian and Egyptian polytheism were created, tribal groups had superstitious beliefs and customs. Religious thinking is a part of human nature as is discrimination and violence, so you can't solely blame Judaism or any of the Abrahamic faiths for today's problems. That being said, remove organized religion from today's society and there'd probably be a slight improvement.

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Wed 04/08/15 05:05 PM
Where is there the assumption that Judaism (In Its Original Format) is somehow 'Polytheistic ?'


what When was this implied ?

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Wed 04/08/15 07:31 PM
I know that you were implying the opposite Sheik, because apparently you haven't done some objective research on the origins of Judaism, evidently polytheism predates monotheism - going by archaeological discoveries, and even parts of the Hebrew Scriptures.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2013/02/polytheism-in-the-bible/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

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Thu 04/09/15 10:23 AM
smile2 How can Polytheism predate Monotheism ?

How could all the other 'would-be gods' ever have condoned the One Almighty God's asserting his unique un-usurpable claim ?

Wouldn't the 'other gods' have put the One God in his place ? (Sarcasm Here) spock

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Thu 04/09/15 08:22 PM
Lol, how are you so certain that Allah/Yahweh is real and not merely a fictional character like the previous deities? It's easy to dismiss every other god as false except for the one you were programmed to believe from childhood. ;)

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Fri 04/10/15 03:29 AM
didn't Abraham worship or believe in other gods prior to being called by Yahweh?

and he obeyed, and cast away all other gods in his tribe/household and hence through his faith became the father of many nations, just as he was promised. Judaism being just a part of it.

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Fri 04/10/15 08:18 AM
While Abraham's father was an Idol Worshiper, Abraham could see the folly is such a Deities and both the Bible and the Quran confirm he was not complacent about the idea of other 'would-be gods.'

That is why he left the land of the Chaldeans and headed toward Canaan. (Genesis 12)

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Fri 04/10/15 09:21 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Fri 04/10/15 09:22 AM
But that happened because of his faith and obedience to God's calling.... It still means that he was raised in a polytheistic environment.... How he came to have faith in God might be a matter of debate...

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Fri 04/10/15 09:45 AM
While the Bible only ever briefly mentions that Abraham befriended God, the Quran speaks at length about his cause for leaving Ur.

Remember, when Noah and his family get off the boat, they are the ONLY ONES on the entire surface of the newly cleansed Earth.

For at least a couple of generations Noah and his sons and grandchildren still have a working understanding that there's only The One True God that has delivered them safely, and their worship reflected it. (Genesis 8: 20)

In time though, apostasy infiltrates all True Religion, because that's what Satin wants to have happen.

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